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C130 Crash In Iraq  
User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Before I begin, this tread is definitely not intended to start any flame wars.

I heard a theory this morning that the aircraft could have been shot down by mistake by American forces. I think it is highly unlikely.

But, there was a very nervous atmosphere yesterday in Iraq. The RAF aircraft was approaching an unfamiliar base. Was there a communication problem (IFF or otherwise). Did some commander on the ground not want to take a chance and gave the order to take it down?

I think that the most likely scenario is enemy fire but mistakes have happened before. I would have thought that there is no arial threat in Iraq so would there be a need for coalition forces to shoot anything down?

Reasoned opinions only please.

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User currently offlineDeskPilot From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

Let's see what the investigation turns up.

Without any facts, we're only speculating.

Condolences to the family members of those killed.



By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?
User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

How can someone shoot down a C-130? Is it possible to shoot down a large aircraft like that with, say, a shoulder-launched stinger missile?

I think it is possible that the aircraft was downed by friendly-fire...if it was shot down in the first place.



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User currently offlineFutureUALpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2605 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

How can someone shoot down a C-130? Is it possible to shoot down a large aircraft like that with, say, a shoulder-launched stinger missile?

Springbok,

Its entirley possible, if the missile hits the right spot. Possibly the cockpit, wing roots, knocks the horizontal stabs or tail off, hits a fuel tank and the fuel goes up, etc.


I think we just have to wait and see.



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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1339 times:

I just read that Ansar al-Islam have taken the blame for the crash. They claim that the plane was passing low, and they were able to shoot it down using an anti-tank missile. They also say that thanks to god, the plane was hit and fell to the ground engulfed in flames and black smoke.

This has been posted on an islamic website.

It has not been confrimed from anyone though.

Thom@s



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Hardly unusual that an extremist group would try to take responsibility.

Let's wait for the investigation. No point speculating or pre-judging it.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6813 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1318 times:

OK, so who, apart from the Coalition would be flying a Hercules in the neighbourhood of Baghdad? Why should any aircraft need shooting down by "our side" if only our aircraft are there????


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1245 times:

Unlikely tobe Friendly fire incident.The Terrosist dont fly C130s.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1239 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4226213.stm

Names have been released.

The curious thing is what a British C-130 was doing north of Baghdad. The British sector is a heel of a long way away, so the presumption has to be that it was some form of special operation.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14074 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1236 times:

Banco,

AFAIK, the runways at Bagdad airport face in north-south direction, so the plane could have taken off northways, based on local winds.

Jan


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

No, Jan. It was flying to one of the US bases in the north of the country. That's why it has created speculation, there aren't any British forces (officially) there.


She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14074 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

Banco,

AFAIK, the runways at Bagdad airport face in north-south direction, so the plane could have taken off northways, based on local winds.

Jan


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1212 times:

Er. Are you OK, Jan?  Confused

I always knew these Germans were simply computers. Ask them anything away from the normal stuff and they can't cope, and regurgitate earlier answers!  Laugh out loud



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14074 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1208 times:

Sorry, my computer had a hiccup. It got stuck and must somehow transmitted the text again.

Jan


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1208 times:

Banco, you have finally proven it. The Germans are just robots after all  Big grin


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13229 posts, RR: 77
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1196 times:

I know someone who works at RAF Lyneham, but it seems untoward to start bombarding him questions about the loss of people he may have well known.

From the Military Aviation page;
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/military/read.main/27259/


User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

There is a video out of the missle being fired at it. Release by Al Jezeera.




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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13229 posts, RR: 77
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

That was what I was referring to, in my previous post, looks like a crude ground to ground rocket, fired in a most unusual way for a SAM, the whole footage looks to be a patchwork job of (save the actual wreck) unrelated other incidents, plus you have several groups all claiming they did it.

Might well have been a SAM, but the footage released by insurgents is most unconvincing.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13229 posts, RR: 77
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

BBC have said the aircraft was XV179, a C130K.
Between 1980-85, 30 of the then 60 odd C130K fleet were lengthened to -30 standard, this aircraft was not one of them, as well as being employed by the Special Forces Flight it may have had an ELINT role too.
The C-130K's were delivered in the mid/late 1960's, some have been retired, replaced by C-130J's in more recent years.



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