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"It's Fun To Shoot People!"  
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2392 times:


Great job US Military!

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A three-star Marine general who said it was "fun to shoot some people" should have chosen his words more carefully, the Marine Corps commandant said Thursday.

Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded Marine expeditions in Afghanistan and Iraq, made the comments Tuesday during a panel discussion in San Diego, California.

"Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot," Mattis said, prompting laughter from some military members in the audience. "It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling.

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."





http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/03/general.shoot/index.html

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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Hehe...it's like a bumper sticker I saw the other day:

"Army: Travel to interesting places, meet interesting people, and kill them."  Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Why is this such a shock? The insurgents have no problem with shooting and beheading people. Why should we? We are there trying to give the good people life as we know it. Where they can enjoy life and walk down the street without fear of dying by explosion. Where they can vote and decide how their country is run, not be ruled by an evil dictator. Things we all take for granted. I suggest if you are not willing to go there and put your life on the line than don't make statements about the ones who are. Those animals have not showed us any mercy why should we?

User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

Two wrongs make a right I suppose, eh?

Not that I'm showing sympathy for those cancers of humanity.


User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."


I wouldn't say it's fun but those pricks definitely deserved it!


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Like they say in South Alabama: "Some people just need killin".  Big thumbs up

Granted, however, the General should have chosen his words a bit more carefully, knowing full well he was being interviewed.

I never considered it "Fun", but it was necessary . . . it is/was a you or me deal in combat . . . you better be faster, smarter, better than the other guy.


User currently offlineJamesAg96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Well people shoot animals for fun right? When you deal with a person that is dehumanized...he is pretty much an animal.

Besides I am sure there is an adrenaline rush associated with shooting at "people"...I mean for goodness sake that is what they are trained to do.

I agree with DTWclipper here....great job US military, keep up the good work.






Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineStowAway From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 640 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Like they say in South Alabama: "Some people just need killin".

 Big thumbs up That sounds like another good signature! Not better than the "Ass Whippings," one, though. I still laugh every now and then when I see that.



A monkey's ass always talks crap.
User currently offlineFutureUALpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Well, if you have a legit reason....such as them trying to kill you, I can imagine itd be a "hoot". The adrenaline flowing through you must be insane. Besides, hes just being a Marine....thats what they do.


However, because he is a General in the United States Marine Corps, perhaps he could have not been so rash about it, not that I have a problem with it though.

In all honesty, I just say hoorah, keep it up.

[Edited 2005-02-04 00:46:26]


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User currently offlineScottieprecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1363 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

You don't become a three star general in the finest fighting force in the world by not enjoying killing the enemy.

-Mike


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2196 times:
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THis is one of the PR issues. We don't want to appear to be bloodthirsty killers, but when we are among those like us we tend to speak a little more literally.

I would like to know whether, however, this General actually saw any combat the same way his troops/Marines saw it. We are at a point with out military where our senior commanders have not seen alot of individual combat the way we were 10 years ago. Up to the 1990's leadership from BN up to Corps level was well seasoned with men who had served tours on the line in Vietnam, but during the 70's and 80's, when much of our senior leadership was coming up through the officer and NCO corps there was not the opportunity for this. So what they don't have is direct personal experience with longterm exposure to combat and the effect on troops.

Over the last 10 or 15 years we have had the opportunity to season our company and field grade officers and NCO's but the top level guys lack the direct contact their juniors have had. This can not help but affect the understanding of many of these officers. Some will feel the urge to keep up appearances and talk tough, a few will be the real deal and be able to say these things from experience.

So if this guy is speaking from experience, then all he needs is a better sense of public decorum. I completely understand the urge to erase people who are murderers and monsters, which describes most of our enemies. If he was talking out of his 4th point of contact then he needs to STFU and recognize that his troops/Marines will know the difference between talk and walk.



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User currently offline787 From Italy, joined Jan 2000, 292 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Though what this General spoke of was clearly a poor choice of words, I would much rather have his type defending people than some limp wishy washy "oh we have to coddle these enemies and offer them petunias as a gesture of our sympathy and kindness".

Marines everywhere should thank this General for his leadership and his mindset. As was said you don't get to be a three star for not wanting to kill your enemies.

Hoorah and Semper Fidelis!



787 Italia - Io, il comandante dell'aria
User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

Who the hell had the balls to put this guy in front of the microphone, bad choice.


"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Well people shoot animals for fun right? When you deal with a person that is dehumanized...he is pretty much an animal.

...technically, he's an animal regardless  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

One word about this guy: Jackass. 'Nuff said.

User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

I didn't realize generals were fighting on the ground too... is this normal or at General Mattis' request? I thought generals would be commanding our forces in some bunker in Kuwait.

Wouldn't the enemy be very enticed to take out a commanding Officer? Or are commanding officers not symbolicly recognized on the fields (i.e. no obvious ranking decorations)?

I agree with 787, Generals of Mattis' mindset are necessary for our continuing success on the ground, otherwise he would have joined a monastery.



"Are you a pretender... or a thoroughbred?!" - Professor Matt Miller
User currently offlineJamesAg96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Concorde got me....

Falcon why is he an ass?



Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

How can you justify someone who says that? How would you react to someone saying "it's fun to kill americans"?


Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

James if you can't figure out why he's a jackass, then you're beyond help. Read his words. He's a jackass.

If you can't see that, what's that make you?

Unbelievable.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8506 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Wars and the military culture produce people like this. Why is anyone surprised? Why do you think that the founding fathers urged the US to have no standing armies, but rather citizen militias to protect the nation?

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

I think Concorde hit it on the head.

You don't murder animals you kill them.

The fact that there are significant people who are afraid of de-humanizing the enemy in this war is a major source of setbacks for the coalition.

For the Islamic Terrorists that has not been a problem. We are all infedels.



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User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Oh yes killing people is fun. Check out all the fun these soldiers are having after killing the parents of five Iraqi children as their parents ran into a US checkpoint.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/middle_east_shooting_in_tal_afar/html/1.stm


User currently offlineJamesAg96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

"James if you can't figure out why he's a jackass, then you're beyond help. Read his words. He's a jackass.

If you can't see that, what's that make you?

Unbelievable."

Sheesh...if you can't explain it just say so.

I read his words, I thought he could have chosen a better way to convey his thoughts...but I can certainly understand the adrenaline rush that must come when faced with the decision on whether or not to kill someone. Especially if that someone is a piece of shit and would do you harm.

There is a video out there, not sure where to find it...but anyway this guy is laying down some fire with his AK-47 when he is...let's just say vaporized by a tank shell. What do you think the tank gunner was thinking?



Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

What do you think the tank gunner was thinking

I've seen the video - Want an an old "tanker's" opinion on that.

Him or me, or him or my fellow troops - that simple. If he had the time to think instead of simply reacting. I would have done the same.

And he (the gunner) damn well better have been shooting at a "hard target" such as the wall behind the guy, or a heavy gun emplacement because the Geneva Convention precludes striking ground troops with cannon rounds unless armed with a .50 cal or larger weapon.


User currently offlineJamesAg96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

Yeah...I think the wall disappeared too.

"Geneva Convention precludes striking ground troops with cannon rounds unless armed with a .50 cal or larger weapon."

That is an interesting provision that I was unaware of. What if you have nothing else at your disposal?

Have you seen the one where the guy kneels down with the RPG and then takes several rounds as he falls dead?



Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
25 Planespotterx : If he joined the army cos he likes to kill people then send hm back home and get him to play KILLZONE all day. If he joined the army to kill people to
26 HAWK21M : Guess he wanted to sound amusing but used the wrong words. regds MEL
27 L-188 : "Geneva Convention precludes striking ground troops with cannon rounds unless armed with a .50 cal or larger weapon." That is an interesting provision
28 ANCFlyer : I'm speaking strickly from an Armor Crewman perspective, I never was a ground pounder. And I only have either the ball buster or my machine guns at my
29 L-188 : Essentially, there aren't too many ground troops gonna be humping a .50 cal around The lack of issue of .50 calibers is one of the great problems I sa
30 CaptOveur : The guy is a Marine, he has been trained since he joined to kill people and break things. Maybe this guy hadn't been de-milled enough to put him in fr
31 NumberTwelve : This guy is a Marine, he is an inhuman killer. Would you say the same when an Iraqi is going through the streets of f.e. Chicago to kill every person
32 DL021 : The guy does not get to be a General officer if he is brainless. Inhuman killers do not get elevated in the US military, and to describe him as such i
33 Post contains images Joge : That sounds just as stupid as something from Fahrenheit 9/11. It was about "I like to listen to this song from my walkman when I shoot people". -Joge
34 Falcon84 : guess we should now wait on Falcon84 or someone to tell us about how we should not de-humanize Osama Bin Laden. It's not about dehumanizing a creep li
35 Daedaeg : This guy is a Marine, he is an inhuman killer. Would you say the same when an Iraqi is going through the streets of f.e. Chicago to kill every person
36 EGGD : I agree with DTWclipper here....great job US military, keep up the good work. lol, i think he was being sarcastic..
37 Pilotaydin : so a man slaps his wife for not covering his face, and it becomes rightful and ok to shoot that man? Sounds to me that slapping someone is terrorism w
38 Phxairfan : "And he (the gunner) damn well better have been shooting at a "hard target" such as the wall behind the guy, or a heavy gun emplacement because the Ge
39 DL021 : You are allowed to fire ammo larger than .50cal/12.7MM at EQUIPMENT. Soldiers WEAR lots of EQUIPMENT. and no, physical or emotional torture of ones sp
40 ANCFlyer : I would think being vaporized with a tank shell would be a lot better of a death than being shot and slowly bleeding to death while choking on your ow
41 MD-90 : I'll tell y'all a story, and whether or not it's very well received depends on the maturity level and the critical thinking skills of the respondee, b
42 Post contains images Lehpron : Maybe on Grand Theft Auto, I personally like running them over. Sometimes I like overkill, firing tank shells into a single unarmed person with a dog.
43 JetService : Is it just me or does anyone have a suspicion that the good General was speaking tongue-in-cheek? Hard to tell when quotes are separated from the main
44 DL021 : If that don't beat all..... that old saw about how the Klan protected wives from their drunken husbands is trotted out every time some Klan apologist
45 TheCoz : If someone was running around trying to kill me, I'd delight in shooting them too. WTF is wrong with that?
46 ANCFlyer : Lehpron: Gimme a tank, I want to overkill them b-otches! I'ma lay them f*ckers down, lol! A tank is a very effective weapon - especially an Abrams or
47 Lehpron : >>"If you use a weapon in the military you are trained to shoot to kill, not to wound."
48 ANCFlyer : Lehpron, perhaps I misunderstood your other post - we are in agreement on this point - once it becomes "fun" and one craves killing, in combat or othe
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