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Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman  
User currently offlineStowAway From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 640 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050204/pl_nm/politics_dean_dc_3

1 step forward - 2 steps back for the Democratic party!

The Democrats got their rear's handed to them this past time around, and now they go with somebody even more liberal?! This is definitely the wrong direction for the left.


A monkey's ass always talks crap.
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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

This is definitely the wrong direction for the left.

Actually it is the best direction they could go in. Dean is such a kook that he will turn off even more Americans and insure the Democrats keep losing elections.

YYYEEEAAAHHHHHRRRRGGGG!!!



"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

The two posts above demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of politics.

People vote for a party with a direction, not the soft one-size-fits-all politics of Kerry Democrat Lite.

Giving the Democrats a vision and platform is just what the Republican Neo-Conservatives do NOT want. hand people a reason to vote for a candidate and they will vote. It's called leadership.


User currently offlineStowAway From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 640 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

People vote for a party with a direction, not the soft one-size-fits-all politics of Kerry Democrat Lite.

Let me climb back in my chair from laughing. Kerry Democrat Lite? Dammit, I fell out of it again!  Laugh out loud John Kerry was more liberal then any other Senator! He even beat Senator Kennedy! Wow, that was a doozy.

Giving the Democrats a vision and platform is just what the Republican Neo-Conservatives do NOT want. hand people a reason to vote for a candidate and they will vote. It's called leadership.

I can assure you that Howard Dean is not that man. All it would do would cause even more fighting among the party members.



A monkey's ass always talks crap.
User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

People vote for a party with a direction, not the soft one-size-fits-all politics of Kerry Democrat Lite


WTF??????????/

Kerry a moderate?
You have got to be kidding.

Great news for the Republicans, like B757300 said.

edit: Stowaway beat me too it.

[Edited 2005-02-05 03:06:30]

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Again no comprehension of what politics is above.

Kerry was Democrat Lite. No firm policy platform, no reason to believe him. Too much trying to be all things to all people.

Candidates with a firm vision are the candidates who win elections. Even Ross Perot, with no party backing, scored well in 1992 because he had a firm vision and position. Funnily enough, so did Adolf Hitler. That same principle still holds. People vote for vision and leadership.

One day you people might wake up, take your partisan posturing heads out of your arses and look coldly at what politics is. If you can't accept the viewpoint of a non-involved outsider as being a valid overlook then you have nothing to contribute.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

I'm not a democrat (no shit huh), and I'm not a Republican . . . could be tho.

But Howard Dean!?

Can't the democrats do any better than that? Talk about "back peddling".

Good for the Repubs . . . .



User currently offlineStowAway From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 640 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

Kerry was Democrat Lite. No firm policy platform, no reason to believe him. Too much trying to be all things to all people.

Sorry, friend. That policy of being wavy is not considered "Democrat Lite," but rather just "Democrat."  Big thumbs up

Again, good news for Republicans!



A monkey's ass always talks crap.
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Late Christmas gift for the GOP? ...rather doubt that they could ask for more.  Yeah sure

User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Great, just great. And the Democratic party falls into a deeper hole than we are already in. What an idiotic move, truly idiotic.

It might be a while before we see the Democratic party with any true power in Washington.  Sad


User currently offlineStowAway From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 640 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1752 times:

Don't feel bad, Usairwys. The Republicans have to put up with Shwarzenager.


A monkey's ass always talks crap.
User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Thank you, God! All we need now is Hillary nominated for '08! I don't know what the Dems are smoking, but whatever it is it's got to be pretty strong. Only 25% of America wants a Dem party that's further left than it already has been represented as. I think that stat tells it all.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1691 times:

All we need now is Hillary nominated for '08!

With Kucinich as a VP, and Sharpton as a campaign advisor  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Oh please with this "Kerry is the most liberal" crap. That was just a tag with an arbitrary group of criteria concocted by the right to demonize the Democratic candidate. Ted Kennedy and many other senators are FAR more liberal than Kerry. Indeed, rather than being "too liberal," Kerry seemed to stand for nothing at all in his attempt to play to the center-right.

In retrospect I think the Dems tried too hard to find a candidate who was "electable" because he had no real policies. Dean may have alienated the right even more than Kerry, but then Bush alienates the left more than any other president in history. He also really attracts people because he seems to be direct. Dean has that. He has something Kerry never had: charisma. He gave people the feeling he was talking straight (because I think, overall, he was, more than most politicians).

In the end, Whitehatter is right. People voted for Bush or against him, not for Kerry. Dean may alienate people, but he also inspires people. That's a plus too.

I'd sary the jury is still out, but it may be good for the Dems, not bad.



It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineStowAway From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 640 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

Dean may alienate people, but he also inspires people. That's a plus too.

Especially when he decided to raise it up some octaves in his speeches right?  Laugh out loud And Idaho, and New Mexico, .... ARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!



A monkey's ass always talks crap.
User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7438 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1660 times:
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Again no comprehension of what politics is above.

Kerry was Democrat Lite. No firm policy platform, no reason to believe him. Too much trying to be all things to all people.

Candidates with a firm vision are the candidates who win elections. Even Ross Perot, with no party backing, scored well in 1992 because he had a firm vision and position. Funnily enough, so did Adolf Hitler. That same principle still holds. People vote for vision and leadership.

One day you people might wake up, take your partisan posturing heads out of your arses and look coldly at what politics is. If you can't accept the viewpoint of a non-involved outsider as being a valid overlook then you have nothing to contribute.


I don't think you understand American politics. That may well and all fly in England, but not here. The US is still very conservative. And the conservative movement is gaining more strength. Yes, a party needs a clear decisive vision of where it's going. The problem is, it all depends on how unified the rank and file of the DNC officers are. If they are as divided as they were in this last election with certain members trying to sabotage eachothers campaign, then the Democratic party will never win elections. Gay marriage is definatelya hotbutton issue that will alienate many in most areas of the political spectrum. The African-American population is very opposed to legalising same-sex marraiges. And the african-american vote in the republican column grew in the last election to 18 percent, up from 9. If the democrats keep making promises that they fail to deliver on, than they will lose that sector of their voting block. Howard Dean's ultra-left wing approach will not help the DNC's chances of bolstering the there presence. It will not be able to hide what they really are becoming. With wacko groups such as MoveOn.org, ACT, and the rest of the Kook fringe far left bomb-throwers proclaiming the seat of power in the Democratic party, they are unlikely to attract the moderate, to conservative Democrats. Howard Dean's nomination will bring nothing but chaos to the Democratic party. Whitehatter, don't chastise us about our form of goverment, unless you do know how it works.



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User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Here is the video of our fury little friends rant.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/la%2Ddean19%2Dvideo%2C0%2C6005088.realvideo%3Fcoll=bal%2Dfeatures%2Dheadlines


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

With wacko groups such as MoveOn.org, ACT, and the rest of the Kook fringe far left bomb-throwers proclaiming the seat of power in the Democratic party

Sadly, much of the same is happening in the GOP...

...just that Dobson, Falwell, Santorum, etc aren't making movies about it  Yeah sure


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7438 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1637 times:
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Sadly, much of the same is happening in the GOP...

...just that Dobson, Falwell, Santorum, etc aren't making movies about it


True, I'll agree with that. There is one exception, many of the electorate of the conservative movement is united behind the party base as opposed to the Democratic Party's infighting.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17828 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

Did the Democrats not learn a thing? Or were they simply obliging the Republicans that were BEGGING them to elect Dean as chairman?


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7438 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1628 times:
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The GOP could not have asked for a better gift from heaven.


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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4417 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

1. From the inception of his campaign, Dean realized and harnessed the power of the internet and grass-roots support. While Dean made a fatal error by focusing too much on fickle younger voters, he likely won't make the same mistake this time around.

2. Dean is a Democrat of the "populist" breed. The bottom line is that the average American voter has both "populist" liberal and "populist" conservative views - the party will become a powerhouse yet again if Dems promote a strong (i.e., much less nuanced) populist agenda instead of being perceived as a weak and wishy-washy "centrist" derivative of the GOP agenda.

3. Dean can throw punches on most every issue, INCLUDING national security issues. This is of vital importance - in order for Dems to win, the perception that the GOP has a monopoly on making and keeping Americans safe must be utterly shattered. Dean will be able to put Dubya's balls to the wall on Iraq and other security-related issues - most Dems have been too timid, and those who blindly backed the president on security issues havent benefitted politically from it anyways.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

those who blindly backed the president on security issues havent benefitted politically

Um . . . two words for ya:

Condi

Rice


Um . . . two more:

Donald

Dumsfeld


Both still employed.


User currently offlineThumper From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Until the Democrats clean house and dump the Ted Kennedy,Howard Dean, John Kerry,Jesse Jackson's, Hillary Clinton,Al Sharptons and get back to what Democrats used to be with people like Harry Truman they don't stand a chance! Its to bad and a disgrace what the Democratic party has become!

User currently offlineN317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

"Its to bad and a disgrace what the Democratic party has become!"

I'll second that. I might could have voted Dem this time around but when Kerry got the nod, there was no way in hell. A liberal dem from Mass. Uh...no!!!And you are correct with your list. They should disassociate themselves with that group. I didn't vote for Bush this time, I voted against Kerry. Most of the time, I am a right winger, but if you are always flying right or left, eventually you'll spiral into the ground.


25 Avek00 : "those who blindly backed the president on security issues havent benefitted politically Um . . . two words for ya: Condi Rice Um . . . two more: Dona
26 ConcordeBoy : There is one exception, many of the electorate of the conservative movement is united behind the party base as opposed to the Democratic Party's infig
27 Lehpron : >>"Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman"
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