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Death Penalty - Yes Or No?  
User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

I don't think that it is right to just simply kill someone for what they did after they killed someone or did something terrible. What are you accomplishing? Most of these people in fact want to die because then they don't have to spend the rest of their life in prison.

I also hate the way some executions are done. The electric chair makes me sick! How could someone have the heart to watch someone be electricuted alive and have their eyes pop out. The gas chamber which is still sometimes used in I believe Nevada is like what the Nazi's did to Jews in WWII. Pushing someone into a chamber and having gas come out of a little nozzle, you can see the person in terror and having no place to go as they are consumed by gas. The only somewhat humane form of execution is lethal injection because the person is just put to sleep, but I just cannot justify the death penalty.

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User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Ok. I see your point. But, most people who kill in pre-meditated murders, don't think about what their punishment is going to be, because they plan it so they dont get caught.

Look at the data from the 1970s when they banned the death penalty. Crime went to an all time high. I mean, if I were to kill and the worst thing I would get is life in prison, that to me is a light sentence. The death penalty is a deterrent.

From what I have read, lethal injection is the most widely used, where the gas chamber and electric chair is used arbitrarily. However, arguing in your favor, it costs less to house a prisoner than killing the person. But still, would you want someone who committed murder have the chance of escaping and perhaps hurting someone you love? Food for thought.

XJR



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

No!

Apart from the obvious reasons: If innocence is only found out after the trial, you can release a prisoner, but you can´t resurrect someone who has been killed.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

"The death penalty is a deterrent."

I'm not going to go either side just a fact: When Europe suspended death penalty the crime didn't change at all.


User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Hangings the worst form of "punishment" IMO, the victims left to gagg under a heavy-knotted rope and endure up to 15 minutes of agony, if the executioner is nice he'll either jump on your legs and drag you down so it makes the choking quicker, or youll be thrown from a height before the rope tightens (to break the neck.)
Either way hanging isnt a "clean" death, it takes minutes often for the victim to choke on his/her own vomit and blood, often the victim goes into a spasm-like state, twitching as the body fights for air, often you can hear the deathly chokes of the victim as the rope tightens round the neck.
usually what they also do is cut the throat after the movement has stopped, just to make sure he/she is dead.


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

No. I do not believe the government can outlaw killing, but reserve the right to kill for itself.


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Been done already.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/630984/4/
With 48 replies.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

Slamclick,

That was back in July 2004, people can discuss it again.



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

Yes, I am all for it. When someone kills another person or other people they are not thinking about the lives they are affecting beyond their victims. Spouses, parents, siblings, kids, friends etc. Its a just form of punioshment based on the crime. If Joe Blow murders 3 people robbing a store...then if found guilty he should be killed as well.

User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3621 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

No, I am against it.

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Fifth commandment: "Thou shalt not kill". Period.

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

"When Europe suspended death penalty the crime didn't change at all."

And in the U.S. is raising with it.


User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Fifth commandment in its entirety actually translates into "Thou shalt not premeditavely murder an innocent individual." This commandment was likely instituted to stop human sacrifice which was prevelant in that society. Big difference between that and just killing. That said, I'm still against the death penalty as it only serves as a 1up system in my eyes. However, I'm for the use of deadly force against a criminal in action when it is the absolute last resort.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

Yes.


filler.

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User currently offlineSimo82 From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

NO!

Agree 100% with Klaus and even if I was 100% sure that the prisoner is guilty I don't think that anybody has the right to kill!

Ciao
Simo



User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Fifth commandment: "Thou shalt not kill". Period

Yes and there is a distinct separation of church and state.

XJR



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User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

I know this is the modern day debate, but think about how much "lenient" we have become on the death penalty, the hangings I described before were often "dished" out for offences that were basically laughtable in todays modern age, i mean hanging a boy of 15 for stealing just 4 sheep?, or a boy of 11 for pick-pocketing in London.
its good to know weve come as far as we have in punishment in todays modern "society"..(god i hate that word society), but IMO death penaltys should be cast for ppl whove killed more than 5, i cant see the good in killing someone for "revenge" of a murder of a single person, thats not punishment IMO, if t was 5 people they killed then i'd understand.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

I'm all for the Death Penalty...


...I'd also love nothing more than to see it applicable to DWI murderers  Angry


User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

The EU demands from a new member to stop death penalty. So Turkey is on the best way - hopefully they join the EU asap.

There are other countries who think death penalty is what their Religion says, f.e. Saudi Arabia or a "civilized" Country I don't want to talk about  Wink/being sarcastic
In this "civilized" country a senator gets applause when he says that he maximum thinks 90 seconds about an act of grace.

Try to be real Christians, not talk about it, cowboys.



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User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

I'd also love nothing more than to see it applicable to DWI murderers

Amen to that Concorde Boy.

XJR



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User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

If the crime is witnessed by two or more people and he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, there should be a death penalty. Also what is the point they only execute how many a century??

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Planespotterx

With hanging, done by the British Long Drop method introduced in the 19th century, the executioner can enter the condemned cell as the clock on the prison tower starts chiming for the 8 or 9am hour, and have the prisoner dead on the rope by the time the last note sounds. Strangulation only happens with executions which are not done to that system. It is by far the swiftest and most merciful way of execution.

The drop is calculated according to weight, height and musculature of the condemned prisoner. Correctly applied, it causes an instant dislocation and fracture of the cervical spinal cord, and this means death is virtually instantaneous.

The greatest practicioner of the method, Albert Pierrepoint, performed over 500 judicial hangings perfectly as Number One executioner. All that experience led him to conclude that capital punishment has never prevented one single capital crime.

So if it has no deterrent effect, what's the point?


User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

To be sarcastic I could say: We Germans learned from history.
To be sarcastic I could say: Turkey is more Human than countries who still have death penalty.
To be sarcastic I could say: USA, Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, an axis?




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User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

While "an eye for an eye" makes logical sense, I don't think an imperfect legal system should endorse such an absolute punishment such as death. So I say no.

User currently offlineDaedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

This has always been a tough one for me. I certainly don't want innocent people mistakenly killed by the hands of their goverment. But on the other hand if my spouse, mother or sibling were murdered I'd probably want the killer to face that same fate. Once you've taken a life for no reason, you've basically relinquished your right to live. I particulary believe those who rape and kill children don't deserve to breath the same air as the rest of us.


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25 A332 : Yes! 100% in favor of the death penalty... we just don't have it in this country!
26 Shamrock_747 : I am completely against the death penalty. This is the way I see it in the simplest of terms... Killing somebody is the worst thing anyone can possibl
27 SlamClick : Any argument to end it must carry with it the means for people condemned to life in prison to pay the entire cost of their incarceration. Call that sl
28 Daedaeg : Any argument to end it must carry with it the means for people condemned to life in prison to pay the entire cost of their incarceration. Call that sl
29 Springbok747 : Yes. Unfortunately we don't have it in this country.
30 JCS17 : Fifth commandment: "Thou shalt not kill". Period Actually, the real commandment is: Thou shalt not murder. Ask anyone who has extensively studied the
31 CaptOveur : Many places are outlawing the death penalty. I am proud to live in a state that has put in an express lane. If you commit pre-meditated murder and it
32 DL021 : What I find funny is that many of the opponents of the death penalty are perfectly ok with abortion. Dichotomous, ain't it? I'm not necessarily for el
33 Touchdown99 : - research after research has shown it is no deterrent whatsoever, - every once in a while a perfectly innocent person is put to death, - it is more e
34 777ER : If someone tortures someone and kills them, via torture then yes they deserve the death sentence.
35 SlamClick : "- research after research has shown it is no deterrent whatsoever, " I always love this argument. Where was the test conducted? There has never been
36 Daedaeg : - research after research has shown it is no deterrent whatsoever, - every once in a while a perfectly innocent person is put to death, - it is more e
37 PacificWestern : Perhaps David Milgaard and Donald Marshall Jr. should be asked if they believe in the death penalty.
38 ANCFlyer : I support the Death Penalty. However - the caveat is this: In a death penalty case the read from the jury should be "without ANY doubt" rather than be
39 BRAVO7E7 : yes.......... If you kill someone first degree you should be fried.
40 TACAA320 : "yes.......... If you kill someone first degree you should be fried." Only in countries that has the death penalty. Otherwise you go to jail. Not even
41 BRAVO7E7 : Which is why I said you SHOULD.......
42 DC10GUY : I wonder how many millionaire's have been put to death... Equal justice for the poor, Equal justice for the rich, Right ? Wrong ! Not in America. If y
43 N317AS : Hell yes!!! This includes psychotic mothers in Texas who drown her kids in the bathtub. If nothing else, they won't kill again.
44 ZOTAN : Its really hypocritical how we, the United States, think its so bad that a person killed someone and that they should be punished bla bla bla, and the
45 Touchdown99 : There has never been a time in any country you can name where a person committing a murder knew that he was going to be executed for it. If this was t
46 SSTjumbo : Actually, the real commandment is: Thou shalt not murder. Ask anyone who has extensively studied the Bible and they will all say the word is "murder,"
47 Dragon-wings : No The person the delivers the lethal injection or turns on the electricity kills someone, so why isn't he or she in trouble as well?
48 JetJock22 : I'm all for it. If my friend kills someone, then he should fry. If someone in my family murders someone they should fry.
49 Yegmaster : Just for the record : Fifth commandment : Honour your Father & Mother Sixth commandment : Thou shall not murder/kill (depending on the translation) No
50 PacificWestern : I'm so glad that most people here are in agreement that in the case of murder, it ishould punishable by death. Of course, that excludes someone in the
51 Post contains images SSTjumbo : Just for the record : Fifth commandment : Honour your Father & Mother Sixth commandment : Thou shall not murder/kill (depending on the translation) No
52 Yegmaster : Appearently not that well 1. No other God's etc. 2. Don't make idols etc. 3. Don't missuse the Lord's name 4. Keep the sabbath day 5. Honor your fathe
53 N317AS : "The person the delivers the lethal injection or turns on the electricity kills someone, so why isn't he or she in trouble as well?" I can see a new e
54 XJRamper : For the one who mentioned eye-witness accounts...that is by far the worst way to soley judge someone. You can have two people witness the same exact m
55 ANCFlyer : XJ: For the one who mentioned eye-witness accounts...that is by far the worst way to soley judge someone. You can have two people witness the same exa
56 Yyz717 : For mass murder, pre-meditated murder, or violent murder, I support the death penalty.
57 TACAA320 : These three different "versions" may clarify the commandments "differences": For me the word is "kill" not "murder". Protestant Catholic Hebrew 1. Tho
58 Phxfly : No. I don not support the death penalty. The US is one of the last remaining industrialized countries that uses it.
59 Post contains images EmiratesA345 : "IMO death penaltys should be cast for ppl whove killed more than 5, i cant see the good in killing someone for "revenge" of a murder of a single pers
60 NorskMan : At first i say NO, the reason for this is because i would rather see a murderer suffer in jail for the rest of their life, rather then be put to death
61 Post contains images NWA742 : Yes, I'm all for it. Although, if somebody killed a person close to me on purpose, or because of something like DWI, they would never reach the chair,
62 HAWK21M : Yes.If it was a delibrate act. regds MEL
63 Thom@s : Nah. If someone does a terrible action which deserves the worst sentence possible, put him in an isolated cell, and let him rot for the rest of his li
64 Post contains images SSTjumbo : In other words, nobody knows what the commandments are . Who cares though, the way I learned the commandments was from college in most recent times; h
65 TACAA320 : "Back to the real topic: no to capitol punishment, yes to unavoidable lethal force." That's in part what the Ten Commandments are about [ the fifth or
66 NumberTwelve : Nations who have death penalty are unhuman. Killing people is unhuman, so if a person is killing, he is murderer, if there is a death penalty all the
67 SDLSimme : If someone gets murdered, the family of the victim is affected. They will want to see the murderer dead. The same thing will happen with the murderer'
68 Kay : No human has the right to judge or end the life of another human 'nuff said.
69 TACAA320 : " Michael Ross would become the 73rd man to be executed in Connecticut since the state took over that responsibility from the counties more than 100 y
70 TACAA320 : "The first established death penalty laws date as far back as the Eighteenth Century B.C. in the Code of King Hammaurabi of Babylon, which codified th
71 Phxairfan : Yes, very much in favor. However I think the victims family should have discretion.
72 Aloges : big fat no here I don't what your religious principles are or whether or not you think people have a right to ask for revenge, I'm opposed to it. I al
73 Pe@rson : I am absolutely and unconditionally against all forms of judicial execution, as it is all barbaric, inhumane, counter-productive and contrary to the r
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