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New U.S. Secretary Of State--How She Doing?  
User currently offlineJake056 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 291 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

What u folks think? Will she get a good reception around the world? As the first black woman Secretary of State from the US?

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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Par for her-already threatening another Middle Eastern nation. Just about what I expected.

And, do you REALLY think Ms. Rice, as an architect of the Iraq fiasco, will get a good reception around the world?  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

Well, she's overseas right now . . . too early to tell how she's doing . . .

I am surprised she doesn't have big pennant with a giant "W" on it waving it in everyone's face . . . .

We'll see . . . she has a significant deficit to overcome with me . . . .


User currently offlineN317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

Who cares if she is the first black woman SoS. She coulp be purple as long as she does a good job. I do know she racks up the FF miles awful damn fast.

User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

I don't think that the colour of her skin will be the issue these days. Answering your question, it's a big NO, I doubt she will get a good reception worldwide because she has already threatend Iran and Siria and right now, with the whole Iraq deal, many people around the globe are not to happy with Bush's foreign policy.


Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

she has a significant deficit to overcome with me . . . .

Uh, saying the word "deficit" to someone in the Bush Admin. will get you pained looks, my man. Care to pick another phrasing, there?  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

Falcon Uh, saying the word "deficit" to someone in the Bush Admin. will get you pained looks, my man. Care to pick another phrasing, there?

Uhh, sorry, my bad . . .  Laugh out loud

She's got a 'lot of ground to make up' with me . . . that better?  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

That's better, ANC. Had you found a way to work in "social security" in that first thread, I coulda had a field day, 'bro.  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1718 times:

Uh, saying the word "deficit" to someone in the Bush Admin. will get you pained looks, my man.

Well then maybe Chenney really is pulling the strings, because the D-word has been dropped by none other than George himself on a daily basis.

Notice that the Euro has already fallen against the US Dollar in the 6 days since Bush said he would practice less deficit spending than in his first term...

I doubt she will get a good reception worldwide because she has already threatend Iran and Siria and right now, with the whole Iraq deal, many people around the globe are not to happy with Bush's foreign policy.

Sounds like Condi Rice has more balls than you two...

When Ronald Regan gave this speech, the entire State Department wanted him to omit significant portions, and after he read it, many of his political opponents were enraged at such an direct scath of the Soviet Union. Instead, it fortified U.S. intollerance of the Soviet Union, and without firing a shot, led to a faster demise of the USSR.

The speech might be best remembered by the words: "Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

http://www.reaganfoundation.org/reagan/speeches/wall.asp

I have no problem with stern talk, it's when the wrong people get bombed that I have a problem.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

"Sounds like Condi Rice has more balls than you two...

When Ronald Regan gave this speech, the entire State Department wanted him to omit significant portions, and after he read it, many of his political opponents were enraged at such an direct scath of the Soviet Union. Instead, it fortified U.S. intollerance of the Soviet Union, and without firing a shot, led to a faster demise of the USSR."

yeah, cause the soviet union was not crumbling on its own. In any case, that was another period in history, today, saying that Rice has more balls than me is not only offensive to me, but your statement is ignoring that the US is not seen as the saviour against the Soviet scare as it was during the cold war. These days, the US is seen by many countries as an invader of a sovreign country and has little international support, therefore Rice will not have a positive response.



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

today, saying that Rice has more balls than me is not only offensive to me,

Oh I'm so sorry... just get out of the pool or something?

In any case, that was another period in history,

Not at all! Read the paragraph before the quote I gave, hell read the whole speech, it's awesome. Anywho, looking back a few sentences-

"We welcome change and openness; for we believe that freedom and security go together, that the advance of human liberty can only strengthen the cause of world peace."

How is that not word for word what we are dealing with today??

but your statement is ignoring that the US is not seen as the saviour against the Soviet scare

Sorry, I don't back down to revisionist history.

These days, the US is seen by many countries as an invader of a sovreign country and has little international support, therefore Rice will not have a positive response.

Yet, diplomatic and political pressure (which is all any Iran/Syria policy are, for the moment) is exactly what international allies have been advocating since pre-Iraq... how will this change not be well recieved?

Besides, she's not C.P. You listen to the new person for about 5 minutes no matter what because that's the way things are done. Hopefully she can make a (positive) impression in that amount of time.


User currently offlineJake056 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

I think she will be tremendous. In the likes of Margaret Thathcer, the iron warrior. Extremely strong and confident. She will run for higher office, I think. And she will get a LOT of support--both here in the U.S. and abroad.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

I think she'll be tremendous, too, Jake-tremendous at pissing off even more people, alienating even more allies, and continuing this shoot-from-the-hip foreign "policy" that she's helped to create.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Jake056 I think she will be tremendous. In the likes of Margaret Thathcer, the iron warrior. Extremely strong and confident. She will run for higher office, I think. And she will get a LOT of support--both here in the U.S. and abroad

Hey, Jake, pass some of what your smoking this way!  Big thumbs up

Seriously, she will never be a Maggie Thatcher. She may well do fine in the long run, but she has some ground to make up with a lot of folk.

She has one major flaw (plenty of little ones IMHO) in that she will not talk against Bush. She will not speak her own mind. I think that's pretty dangerous for a SecState. Our "primary" diplomat who will tow the party line without regard for other opinion is definitely a detriment.

Perhaps she'll prove me wrong, and I hope so, but she's got to put down that "W" pennant and pick up the American Flag - what she is doing is not simply for Dubya, it's for the country. I'm not convinced she's figured that out.

Regards.


User currently offlineCommander_rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Edited because I can!



[Edited 2005-02-08 06:52:21]

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1650 times:

Guys, she has had the job for what? a week?


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1645 times:

She' s a very high tech tape player. W's words come out of her mouth in her voice, so that it almost appears that she's had an original, independent thought.


I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
User currently offlineDaedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1642 times:

It's hard to determine how well she's doing in such a short amount of time on the job. I do believe she's off to a good start though.


Everyday you're alive is a good day.
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1637 times:

Condi is a consummate politician and plays her cards well.

Soon we will all forget that she lied through her teeth to be the head cheerleader for the Iraqi war.

I think that she portrays a level of self-confidence and smarts and grace under fire that a Secretary of State requires. So far her trip to Israel and Palestine has gone well. She is also in the right place at the right time. If she can broker an Israeli-Palestinian peace accord, she will go down in the history books as a Sec of State Extraordinaire. However, that position will have been helped by the fact that both sides are exhausted after a decade of indiscriminate killing, and failed peace accords, primary courtesy of Yassir Arafat. Arafat's death will have changed everything and may allow Condi to broker a peace effectively.



User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1625 times:

She's got alot of work, plain and simple.

What a choice for Secretary of State. Wow. We got ourselves a winner, there!


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1610 times:

I must admit that although I found Condi's attempt to trump up the threat of Saddam Hussein disgusting, I am willing to give her a chance. After all Henry Kissinger and Bill Clinton were liars too, and everyone think's they're the cat's whiskers.

If she ever wrote a real tell all book, it would be fascinating.

I wonder what she and Laura Bush talk about? What would a warrior princess talk about with a Stepford wife?

"Keep your hands off of my man, or else I'll set the twins on you?"


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

What a choice for Secretary of State. Wow. We got ourselves a winner, there!

Too bad such a smart girl from Alabama has wound up being ensnared by neocon ideology.


User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4686 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1606 times:

Is she seeing anybody? I'm interested!

Signed,
DC10GUY



"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1598 times:

Rumor has it that she's dating Ann Coulter.


I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1592 times:

Too bad such a smart girl from Alabama has wound up being ensnared by neocon ideology.

Perhaps, Mr. Wolfowitz' neo-con ideas may end up being heralded some day. It is still too early to tell. Post-Iraq, they certainly haven't been an abject failure as many thought they would


25 B757300 : Too bad such a smart girl from Alabama has wound up being ensnared by neocon ideology. Too bad people the only people who throw out the word "neocon"
26 Falcon84 : Now it is a term used to attack anyone with whom the complainer doesn't agree with. You mean, like YOU do to someone who you term "liberal", B757300?
27 Jaysit : Three groups that just can't accept the fact that the majority of Americans agree with President Bush. I very much doubt if this assertion is right. E
28 RJpieces : Too bad people the only people who throw out the word "neocon" are the lefties, libertarians, and the Pat Buchanan kooks. Three groups that just can't
29 Jaysit : Indeed. "Neocon conspiracy" is used in place of "Jewish conspiracy" across Europe and among extremists in the US (Buchanan on the right, Chomsky on th
30 DL021 : Well, the only thing we know right now about her performance of her duties as SECSTATE is that she has been there about 2 hours. Why don't we wait unt
31 Jaysit : BTW...Jaysit...The Presidents current approval rating is at 57% up from last month. Is that not indicative that a majority of them agree with him now?
32 Post contains links Jaysit : DL1021: Go here: http://www.pollingreport.com/BushFav.htm As you can see that although the President's favorability was up to 57% in the Zogby poll, u
33 Post contains links DfwRevolution : I think she'll be tremendous, too, Jake-tremendous at pissing off even more people, alienating even more allies, and continuing this shoot-from-the-hi
34 PacificWestern : *runs to the loo to hurl* She's just as odious as ever, regardless of her new title.
35 Mir : Judging from the past term, I'm not hoping for much. But heck, I'd certainly like to be surprised. Perhaps Bush and Co. have learned something. I woul
36 MD-90 : Praise the Lord, I saw the light... I too once thought that neocon was just a liberal smear word. I also used to faithfully read the online National R
37 HL7460 : Do not know much about her. But nice to see Woman in important role in politics.
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