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Will Russia Join The E.U?  
User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2827 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2315 times:

if their economy improves over the next 5-10 years is there a chance?


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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2306 times:

or will the russian leaders themselves reject any notion of joining it


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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

I don't think so. Russia will never make it. They are at least 10 years behind in almost everything. Also, only half of russia can joint the EU. The rest of Russia is in Asia.


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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4963 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

I think it will never happen, and besides, there are oother countries that are first in line for becoming members.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Also, only half of russia can joint the EU. The rest of Russia is in Asia.

Tell that to Turkey, or better yet... Israel.  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

would the CIS have anything to say about that?

User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Also, only half of russia can joint the EU. The rest of Russia is in Asia.


Yes but Russia is considered a european country not an asian one



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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

Yes but Russia is considered a european country not an asian one


Really, did you ask the people living in the asian half?



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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

according to the U.N it is a european country .


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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Too big.

Russia's eastern part has very little in common with its western regions. The only practical way in which Russia could join the EU would be for the country to divide as Czechoslovakia did, into two independent nations or even more. And that's a whole new ball game.


User currently offlineNealcg From United States of America, joined May 2004, 141 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

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User currently offlinePhaeton From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

I think if Russia could considerably improve their economy they have a chance of joining the EU, maybe in the late 2020s. Putin would also have to stop grabbing more power plus sort out Chechnya i.e. there is a lot to be done.


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User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

No. NFW. Not a chance.


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User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Souds like science fiction said today, i would probably welcome it but i doubt Russia would want this in the first place.


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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

This will never happen!
Not because the Russian economy can't improve enough.
Not because most parts of Russia are Asian.
But because they don't want to be part of something bigger without beeing the one and only leading power. They still dream of their past as an empire and they still think they can become an Euro-Asia emprie again. They can't accept their new role in the world.

pelican


User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

according to the U.N it is a european country .

Why is that? Most of Russia is in Asia.

I think Russia joining the EU is a bad idea. It's an insult to those that live onthe Asian side.


And talk of Israel joining the EU? WTF??? I guess we should add Lebanon and maybe even South Africa to the list  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13813 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

IMO opinion, Russia is too big, and once they sorted out their own problems well enough to pass the EU entrance criteria, they wouldn´t need us anyway. One idea about the EU is to have us smaller countries work together and speak with one voice, so that we can stand up politically and economically against the big countries, like the US, Russia and China.
Face it, even the biggest EU countries right now are size and populationwise just like smaller provinces of Russia.

Jan


User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

Russia's population is about as big as the population of Germany and the UK combined...

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8621 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

If they get in, I'll get out.

I really don't see how Russia could possibly become fit to enter the EU anytime soon. What little democratic change Gorbachev and Yeltsin had achieved, Putin destroyed and keeps destroying. Given that the EU is a fairly democratic entity - albeit based too much on indirect democracy and bureaucracy - I think Putin's new Russian "Empire" entering it would be nothing short of a political disaster.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

There is as much chance of Russia joining the EU as there is of Ukraine joining the EU (no matter how much the EU/US stooge in Kiev likes to portray otherwise). But it is for different reasons. And it nothing as presented above.

It has nothing to do with Chechnya. Spain has the Basque terrorists. France has the FNLC terrorists. UK has the IRA terrorists. Yet all of these countries are members of the EU. Terrorism should not be a determining factor.

It is because the Russian people (not the government) will not allow themselves to be dictated to by a non-Russian regime. Meaning that they will not allow a situation where domestic or foreign Russian policy will be determined by bureaucrats in Strasbourg.

Even the most liberal political parties, such as Yabloko, do not even want a Russia in the EU. The most that the Russians are looking for in terms of 'integration' with the EU is closer economic ties (without being officially tied to the EU and having to implement EU policy -- such as their pathetic aviation policy) and a visa-free regime for Russians visiting the EU (an issue which the EU has dragged its feet on for the last several years). Particularly in relation to the visa-free regime, the Russian people see that the EU is nothing but another bureaucracy. They already have their own bureaucracy, but at least it's Russian, and at least they have some control over it.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8621 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Russophile, are you really comparing Chechnya to Northern Ireland? I must have missed the last time Belfast got blown to bits.


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Yes Aloges, there is NO difference between the underlying factors in both Belfast, Barcelona/Madrid, Corsica and Chechnya. That of course being terrorism and terrorists. The difference being the Russians haven't bent over and allowed those terrorists to **** em in the **** time and time again.

Anyway, back on topic.


User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3312 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Either you are a humorist of the third-degree Russo, or you have a blurry idea of what kind of individuals are most likely to travel from Russia to the EU.

Sure there are some diplomats, a good lot of "honest" businessmen, a few people with family or relations in the West, and even genuine tourists, but bureaucratic procedures are not meant for these citizens.
I leave you to guess.


User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2841 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

would the CIS have anything to say about that?


That sounds even more illogical than Russia entering the EU. The CIS countries are not even one part european. Even though i personally would welcome anyone into this union it just goes against any logic.  Smile


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8621 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Erm, well Russophile, you're entitled to your opinion.


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
25 Alessandro : We shall see, first Romania and Bulgaria. Depends if the Russian population shrinks a lot and oil price. I can see the logic of Russia as EU raw-mater
26 Alberchico : And talk of Israel joining the EU? WTF??? As I recall Turkey is considered for E.U. membership so it is not at all science fiction.
27 Post contains links Russophile : Iakobos Sorry, but it is you who has a blurry idea of what has been proposed, and furthermore you have a blurry idea of the Russian people in general,
28 L.1011 : according to the U.N it is a european country . Why is that? Most of Russia is in Asia. Geographically, yes. But the population density is far, far hi
29 Iakobos : Russo, Nothing to be sorry about. I did not say a thing about illegal immigration, and I do not think there are potentially many Russians willing to m
30 Post contains images Klaus : I´d say Russia´s chance of accession is only very slightly higher than China´s...
31 RootsAir : They are at least 10 years behind in almost everything. THEN HOW THE HELL CAN ROMANIA JOIN THE E.U
32 Alessandro : Russophile, you know this could be the solution for the Kaliningrad "problem" by joining, also would mean a improvement of living in Karelia, when Fin
33 SLC1 : Mika, I was just wondering if the CIS would have any problem with their major nation going to another union.
34 NumberTwelve : Russia joining the EU? If Russia wants to join the EU - they can't! Reasons: torture in Chechnya and in Russia too death penalty Don't compare Chechny
35 SLC1 : well, for the Death Penalty, Russia is abolitionist in practice according to AI, so couldn't they just outlaw the death penalty to join should they wa
36 NumberTwelve : SLC1, they are torturing. Only the US military in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo doesn't torture.
37 Alessandro : Abolishing the death penalty isn´t a big problem, cost in Russian prisons are low, Chechenya is a bigger problem. But on the other hand 1/3 of Cyprus
38 Post contains images Russophile : Russians are our new and very dangerous mafia. So what you are saying is that 149,998,000 people need to put up with a mundane visa regime because of
39 Alessandro : Well, Lithuania and Poland has the right to decide their futures, bad luck for the people in Kaliningrad. Estonia and Latvia consider the majority of
40 Yyz717 : Russia remains very impoverished and far too undemocratic to join the EU. I doubt this will improve in the next 25 years. Russia simply does not have
41 Alessandro : Yyz717, easy, the destinction in Latvia and Estonia is following, you have to be or have ancestor that was Estonian or Latvian citizens (some Russians
42 Avek00 : All of this is really a nonissue, as Russia has absolutely ZERO chance of getting an invite to join the EU anytime soon, and by the time the Russian F
43 NumberTwelve : Russo: "It could very well be a solution. But the thing is there was no problem until Lithuania joined the EU, and the bureaucrats in Strasbourg effec
44 Post contains images Klaus : Avek00: the EU will have long since disbanded by then. Don´t hold your breath... every single prediction of that kind has been spectacularly wrong so
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