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Rare, Drug-resistant HIV Strain Found In NYC  
User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1440 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

This is scary.

"The onset of AIDS usually occurs more than 10 years after initial infection with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). But in the case diagnosed last week, the time lag appeared to be just two to three months."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050212/ts_alt_afp/ushealthaids_050212165137

[Edited 2005-02-13 01:16:55]

159 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineJake056 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

AIDS is a virus and viruses replicate and develop defenses to the current medication treatments. This was only waiting to happen.

Safe sex or no sex.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3707 times:

AIDS is not a virus. It is a syndrome, specifically Acquired Immuno-Deficiency Syndrome. A Syndrome is not a virus, rather a syndrome is a set of specific characteristics and conditions, caused by other diseases. HIV is a virus, Human Immunodeficiency Virus. This virus continually erodes away at your immune system until your immune system cannot fight even the most basic of infections, at that point it is considered that you have AIDS, therefore HIV causes AIDS. It is possible, though rare, to life for your entire life with HIV while never actually progressing to AIDS. This can be achieved with the right nutrition and excersise.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

This can be achieved with the right nutrition and excersise.

...and popping two to ten pills every day  Yeah sure


User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

"at that point it is considered that you have AIDS"

Once your CD4 cell count falls below 200 (I believe) you clinically have AIDS.


User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

A real problem for people with no steady g/f or b/f (because traveling all the time)...

At the first kiss with a person, when my heart should be pounding rapidly, I have instead my brain asking 3million questions per second: "ok, HIV can't be transmitted through saliva, ok next item: herpes. AAAaaaa STOP!! ...etc etc etc"

How can people have relationships. The list of STD makes it difficult not to pop a checklist and ask the person whether she/he has the diseases or not before even touching hands. A disturbing conversation that I do have every time... Except occasionally a first kiss tends to slip before..

Solution?..  Sad

Kay


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17510 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Wasn't the "victim" a crystal-meth addict as well?


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

Not a good time to be a gay promiscuous New Yorker.

Since 1970... it really hasn't paid of to be promiscuous in any sexual orientation.

HIV mutates so often that it isn't suprising at all that another drug resistant strain has popped up, this is hardly the first.


User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

oooh scary! AIDS!...whatever.

Prevent it by wearing a condom if you choose to have sex.

simple solution.


User currently offlineImonti From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

What is quite interesting is that certain hookers at some truck stops, have built up a certain imunity to certain HIV strains, the research done from obatining blood from those ladies would now seem to be thrown back years with this news.

Can the virus mutate as medical technology changes?


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3084 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

I volunteer with an HIV+ house. This place gives a person with HIV a place to live until they either get backl on their feet or die, even though palative care is not really on the agenda.

I work with new volunteers and it is amazing how many younger people come in with the notion that hiv and aids is no big deal anymore. They take a few pills and it no just a chronic disease.

We have no idea what will happen to a person who has been on the cocktail for 25 years. These drugs are not just pills. They are awful and horendous drugs with side effects similar to chemo therapy..Many go off them because they find the side effects worse than dying...Think about that.

Back on topic. There is a person at the house who is HIV + who said he wore condoms and was not promiscious. Is that true....who knows all I can do is take him at his words. his family and doctor both confirm that he was HIV negative until ontime in the heat of passion with a condom....guess what...It broke. He was tested after. So really a condom is not really a simple solution.

No I do not promote abstinance but there is a risk in having sex in the days of HIV and AIDS. That risk never went away. We just blinked.

After working n an HIV house i now assume until otherwise that a person is HIV+. Sport sex is definatly no longer in my future anymore.

Being female means I have to be more careful. I am far more likely to get HIV through sex than a guy will if I was HIV+.

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

Wasn't the "victim" a crystal-meth addict as well?

Does that make him any less of a "victim"? (Your narrow-minded quotation marks, not mine.)


User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

I don't know if you are aware of terms as "bug chaser" or "gift giver". As far as I know, these terms describe a new trend among many gay men who actually look forward to get infected of HIV/AIDS. In their twisted perspective, AIDS creates a bond among them so the sooner they get it, the better. It sounds like an urban legend but it appears to be real, although I hope it's only among a minority of the gay community. Based on what I read on the news, the victim profile looks similar to what I described before: lots of partners and always having unprotected sex, plus the use of drugs which are famous for their disinhibitory sexual effect.

In any case, let's hope this new strain won't be as bad as it seems to be.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

it is amazing how many younger people come in with the notion that hiv and aids is no big deal anymore

Agreed. What's even more disconcerting is the number of young people who INTENTIONALLY get the disease :-(



Does that make him any less of a "victim"?

Depending on the circumstances, quite possibly yes.
Next.


I don't know if you are aware of terms as "bug chaser" or "gift giver". As far as I know, these terms describe a new trend among many gay men who actually look forward to get infected of HIV/AIDS.

Yup, that's what I'm talkin' about.



In any case, let's hope this new strain won't be as bad as it seems to be.

Not to sound Fred Phelps-ish, but: um... why?  Confused


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17510 posts, RR: 45
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

"Does that make him any less of a "victim"? (Your narrow-minded quotation marks, not mine.)"

Why is that narrow minded? A) We all knew this was coming sooner or later and B) depending on how he contracted it, chances are the only way that he is "victim" is as a "victim" to his own decisions. In this day and age, no American gay man can claim ignorance when it comes to unsafe sex and drug use.

EDIT:

Wait....I reread the article...we KNOW how he got it:

"The first case was diagnosed last week in a man in his late 40s who reported multiple male sex partners and unprotected anal intercourse, often while using the highly potent narcotic crystal methamphetamine. "

He got it because he's a flippin' idiot. He is 100% responsible for his own "victimhood" and those quotation marks are entirely valid.

[Edited 2005-02-14 00:43:13]


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

Here's another thing I don't understand about so many people (and for once not just gay males, as straights seem to do this just as much if not more so):
You meet someone, you begin sleeping together relatively soon, you fall in "love" with them; and a month or so later, you're sleeping together without condoms.

The typical sentiment/statement being "well, we know each other now, she's on the pill (for the striaghts), and we have/will be faithful to each other only."




.....um, call me a humbug--- but is there ANYONE else out there who sees the immeasureable stupidity in this?? I often wonder that; considering this action is so damn common, even by otherwise intelligent people.

I just don't get how sooo many people can be so careless in regard to their health... just because they've been sleeping with someone for a month or two automatically makes that person clean?? I mean what the hell do you "know" about that person? Were you born with the power to bioscan a living entity to determine what pathogen(s) s/he may be carrying???

Get a test before doing it raw. It's not expensive (often free), and readily available if you live near any small/medium sized city.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Even getting a test isn't a good idea, espeically if you're gay. The concept of monogamy is foreign to most Americans.

After a month, or two, or even ten you really aren't in any position to know for sure if s/he is being faithful. And if s/he isn't, you could die.

N


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Agree, I couldn't really ever see myself trusting anyone (particularly a gay male) to that level...

..but for those who could, at least have the decency to start off on a tangible basis; i.e., don't just assume because someone's nice/sweet/says (s)he loves you-- that they're clean.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

oooh scary! AIDS!...whatever.

Prevent it by wearing a condom if you choose to have sex.

simple solution.


Yeah, too bad HIV is smaller than the pours in a condom. You might want to mixin a High School Health Class there Coz.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

OK, here is the story of an HIV+ a.netter.

I converted probably sometime in the early 80's, when all we had heard about was the "gay" cancer. No treatments, no tests, nothing. Just your circle of friends and the funerals you had to go to. People were there, and then they just got sick and died.

I lived in New York, and was treated by a Doctor who had a large gay practice, he checked my CD4 counts and T cells. I was not overtly promiscuous, nor a drug user. No test was available at the time, so I was not tested until much later, there was really no point. There were no triple cocktails, etc.

When I finally had myself tested, it returned positive on both tests. I began the triple cocktail, and the first few weeks were terrible. Exhaustion, diarrhea, weight gain, weight loss, you name, I had it.

I spend nearly 1200 dollars a month on prescriptions, and must visit my physian once every three to four months. I am healthy and have never had an AIDS related illness. Thanks goodness I have great insurance and Rx coverage.

If there are any younsters out there that think it is cool to join this crowd, you are fools. Your entire prespective on life changes, and not always for the better.

I have since the early 80's practiced "safer" sex, but there is no sure fire defense, but playing safe is better then not.

I will probably have to delete my account now, because I think there still is a stigma attached to this illness, but if I can reach one person and tell them to be safe then it was worth it!

dtwclipper





User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

No I do not promote abstinence but there is a risk in having sex in the days of HIV and AIDS.
If there is a risk in having sex no matter if its safe or, then why not promote abstinence? If people are willing to be abstinent, then so much the better.



/// U N I T E D
User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

DTWclipper,

If anyone flames you for being HIV+ or tells you to delete your account, it's their problem. HIV isn't transmitted by Internet, silly  Nuts

I have sympathy for people who suffer with HIV infection. Once you have it, you have it, and beating you up over how you acquired it will not do anything to help you. I lost a very good friend to AIDS when I was 18 years old (and yes, he was gay.) I got hysterical over the movie And the Band Played On. People have gone from being paranoid over HIV/AIDS to being blase about it now that there are treatments. It is a terrible disease even if you are living with it.  Crying


redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

then why not promote abstinence?

If people are willing to be abstinent




You just answered your own question  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

If anyone flames you for being HIV+ or tells you to delete your account, it's their problem. HIV isn't transmitted by Internet, silly

Agreed.


I have sympathy for people who suffer with HIV infection.

I certainly don't. Often I have to be careful to avoid stepping into the realm of hatred.  Crying


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Concordeboy

I certainly don't. Often I have to be careful to avoid stepping into the realm of hatred.

Do you include in that hatred those who have contracted it through blood transfusions, and infected blood products, or is your special venom just for those who became infected through sexual contact?

dtwclipper






[Edited 2005-02-14 01:45:08]

25 ConcordeBoy : Nope. Hence the "often I have to be careful to avoid" part....
26 ConcordeBoy : or is your special venom just for those who became infected through sexual contact? ...bingo
27 Dtwclipper : ConcordeBoy: So those who became infected, gay or straight through sexual contact, 20 years ago, are to be hated and are not victims of a pandemic? T
28 ConcordeBoy : Oh please; don't get yer panties in a twist, read it again... I'm saying that: 1) the urge is definitely there to detest those, particularly of my own
29 Falcon84 : I certainly don't. Often I have to be careful to avoid stepping into the realm of hatred. Fine, then if you ever come down with it, no matter how, we'
30 Post contains images AA767400 : Once again this shows how bitter people have become on this website. So there is no sympathy for people living with HIV/AIDS, even if it were by accid
31 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Fine, then if you ever come down with it, no matter how, we'll just tell you "tough shit, man", and just turn a cold shouler to you Far be it from me
32 Falcon84 : Horsesquat... we're too PC about the disease as it is now, and it's only going to get worse. Being sympathetic, and showing concern isn't PC. If you t
33 Dtwclipper : not that I'd live long enough to give you the chance in the first place... f^ck that. But still. What the f*&K is that supposed to mean? Do have any i
34 UAL747 : And all this coming from another gay guy.... Concordeboy, seriously...people have sex, it's a given. It's not like you have to be promiscuous to get t
35 WhiteHatter : I'm saying that: 1) the urge is definitely there to detest those, particularly of my own generation and especially those younger, who continue to enga
36 Newark777 : It's not like you have to be promiscuous to get the disease. In fact, it can happen the first time you engage in ANY sexual situation. That is true, b
37 Dtwclipper : "It's still a dangerous sexual world, but these losers are inviting personal disaster by ignoring the lessons learned over the dead bodies of a whole
38 UAL747 : Oh, and lets not forget that Concordeboy proclaims to have dated a gay porn star. Talk about being a hypocrite. UAL
39 WhiteHatter : This is something I don't understand....do they really think the pandemic is over? It's in part due to the recent drug treatments which have become a
40 Post contains images Klaus : Redngold: DTWclipper, If anyone flames you for being HIV+ or tells you to delete your account, it's their problem. HIV isn't transmitted by Internet,
41 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I still am human enough that I wish no one would get this hideous disease. totally agree with you there, but wishing doesn't appear to helping the pro
42 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Oh, and lets not forget that Concordeboy proclaims to have dated a gay porn star. Talk about being a hypocrite. ...that "starred" in seven films; five
43 Dtwclipper : Concordeboy Are you really that insensitive, or are you just trying to play 'devils advocate'. dtwclipper
44 ConcordeBoy : A little of both, mostly the former.... ...BTW, I'm not trying to insult anyone here (and if you end up insulted, well, TFB); I find this to be quite
45 Dtwclipper : CB, I don't get insulted by people under 30, I realize that it is a question of maturity. dtwclipper.
46 Falcon84 : Actually, I'm just trying to figure out if he has any human feelings at all at this moment. And I say that in all honesty. I just can't imagine being
47 Dtwclipper : Falcon, I have fought tougher battles than CB, self loathing gays are just another front. BTW CB, I will be around a long time, so your comments about
48 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I don't get insulted by people under 30, I realize that it is a question of maturity. ...and yet you're still too inexperienced with life to realize t
49 Dtwclipper : "...and yet you're still too inexperienced with life to realize that age and "maturity" often, if not usually, do not correlate. Sad." No, I am saying
50 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I have fought tougher battles than CB ...course, you're the only one "fighting" any "battle" here, I'm just engaging in no-holds-barred (and I must ad
51 AA767400 : It's all about come backs for CB nothing else. His opinion is of a higher being. The fact that you would rub in someone's face if it was worth it, mak
52 ConcordeBoy : No, I am saying that with maturity comes understanding, compasion, and a view that goes beyound the ability to write snappy comebacks. Actually, that'
53 Dtwclipper : CB, No, I did indeed mean to write maturity. dtw
54 ConcordeBoy : No doubt you did... regardless, 'Actually, that'd be "acceptance", not "maturity"' still stands
55 MaverickM11 : "Are you really that insensitive, or are you just trying to play 'devils advocate'. " Would you have the same sympathy for some American teenager who,
56 ConcordeBoy : At the same time, I do not feel their right to make said stupid decisions should be curtailed by anyone. ...course, that opens up a whole can o' worms
57 Redngold : Good Lord, ConcordeBoy, you're starting to sound like you're from the *other* group of people who hate me -- the ultra-conservative Christians who bel
58 Klaus : Klaus: CB, your universal resentment [...] ConcordeBoy: ...of? What about "universal" did you fail to understand?
59 WhiteHatter : To try and bring this back round... Lots of people, including me, now have what I'd call "compassion fatigue". We have had almost three decades of HIV
60 MaverickM11 : "why then should society have to pay for them once the inevitable occurs? " True, and it varies depending on the situation, but in this case specifica
61 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : What about "universal" did you fail to understand? None, hence that response to your idiotic statement Also, WhiteHatter once again hits it dead on th
62 Falcon84 : Legislate safe-sex? I'm sure Santourm, Fallwell, Robertson, Ralph Reed, the Mormon Church, and a host of others, would love to do so. Don't give thos
63 UAL747 : Oh, and lets not forget that Concordeboy proclaims to have dated a gay porn star. Talk about being a hypocrite. "...that "starred" in seven films; fiv
64 ConcordeBoy : I'm sure Santourm, Fallwell, Robertson, Ralph Reed, the Mormon Church, and a host of others, would love to do so. Don't give those lunatics any ideas.
65 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I'm under the assumption ...once again proving that assumption is the great mother of all f^ckups
66 Falcon84 : And you don't feel the same way, ConcordeBoy? Could have fooled me.
67 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ...not that that's very difficult to do cher
68 MaverickM11 : "I'm sure Santourm, Fallwell, Robertson, Ralph Reed, the Mormon Church, and a host of others, would love to do so. Don't give those lunatics any ideas
69 Post contains images Klaus : Klaus: What about "universal" did you fail to understand? ConcordeBoy: None, hence that response to your idiotic statement You just continue to make m
70 Deltaflyertoo : Interesting views on this thread... The one big question I have for all those ignorant, gay/HIV+ haters or whatever they are that spout ignorant comme
71 MaverickM11 : "Is your response going to be the same when the world is hit with an airborne epidemic, possibly in our life times? " Sex is a *little* more involved
72 WhiteHatter : Is your response going to be the same when the world is hit with an airborne epidemic, possibly in our life times? I mean sex is as natural as breath
73 BN747 : Would you have the same sympathy for some American teenager who, despite hearing everyday ten times a day that smoking causes cancer, picks up a cigar
74 WhiteHatter : BN747 I really don't think you realise what is being said here. It isn't a hatred issue for me, it's an anger one. And I've every right to be angry. T
75 BN747 : That's what angers me. Not the virus, not the illness. It's the lunatics who are undoing decades of science and activism by rejecting the simple safe
76 WhiteHatter : If KROCs' comment 'that the pores of a condom are too large to prevent' the virus from penetrating at all... well there goes your theory and the whol
77 MaverickM11 : "Yes, cigs are bad, I hate them... I hate the smoke and I think people are nuts to continue doing so. Sex is natural... smoking isn't." For most, pick
78 BN747 : The seepage which anylatex condom pores might allow is taken care of by lubricant, and lubricants contain nonoxynol-9 which is a HIV killer. If this t
79 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : As I said...it's never easy to legislate to protect people from their own stupidity Indeed... witness seat belt/helmet laws. Is your response going to
80 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : If this true... then why hasn't this element been re-configured to be used in a vaccine or pill form made safely to injest and eradicate HIV infected
81 MaverickM11 : "if the public doesn't demand it (because they'd rather keep getting mad at all those pesky, risky teenagers) then the government has every right to d
82 WhiteHatter : If this true... then why hasn't this element been re-configured to be used in a vaccine or pill form made safely to injest and eradicate HIV infected
83 Gigneil : The seepage which anylatex condom pores might allow is taken care of by lubricant, and lubricants contain nonoxynol-9 which is a HIV killer. Nonoxynol
84 ConcordeBoy : long after HIV and AIDS are a memory ...assuming that ever happens, which is an ENORMOUS assumption to say the least. At this point, it's looking that
85 Slider : I know this is a loaded subject and very emotional. Thanks to DTWclipper for the heartfelt post....I admire your candor. I would have to concur with W
86 BN747 : if the government doesn't seize the lead in protecting the public health Public health and civil liberties... umm sure 'Fred'.. now sit back and let t
87 MaverickM11 : "Pfizer and crew will be only too happy to keep doling out these stop-gap, string-along medications to gaurantee this years profits and the next" You
88 Lucky727 : I only wish I could be there to ask him if it was all really worth it." ...and at the end of your days, I'll be there asking if your misanthropic atti
89 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Public health and civil liberties... umm sure 'Fred' The only one you're kidding here as to that matter is yourself m'friend. and you may be able to m
90 Dtwclipper : Filler Filler [Edited 2005-02-15 01:24:31]
91 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ...and at the end of your days, I'll be there asking if your misanthropic attitude was worth it. Course, you'd likely need a medium to do so... and I
92 Dtwclipper : I think it's time to put this topic to bed! Concordeboy, you should be ashamed of yourself for you narrow minded and hurtful comments. And please don'
93 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I think it's time to put this topic to bed! why, because you don't like what's being said? Um, case you haven't noticed... this thread has stayed on t
94 Dtwclipper : CB: Just can't stand not having the last word can you? And please don't reply with one of your attempts at a witty retort. I don't "attempt" cher and
95 BN747 : You think that young, gay white males, who have a high disposable income, wouldn't bankroll an HIV cure if it meant they could sleep with everyone and
96 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Just can't stand not having the last word can you? I like the thread, what can I say? and on a final note for me on this topic...remember wit is the l
97 Post contains images MaverickM11 : "I'm 100% certain there are way too many 'ConcordeBoy-mentality type gays'[self-loathing] out there but with tons of cash who will not do a damn thing
98 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Just look at ConcordeBoy's last two comments... BN747:Imagine if AIDS were cured..just what would be the fallout? Myriads of people would re-descend i
99 PacificWestern : My best friend (no, not boyfriend) and I became estranged a couple of months ago. Since then, he and his boyfriend of 2 years decided to open up their
100 Concord977 : People who deal out the judgment and attitude on this subject are a dime a dozen. People who respond to it with compassion and understanding are rare.
101 BN747 : BN747:"I'm 100% certain there are way too many 'ConcordeBoy-mentality type gays'[self-loathing] out there but with tons of cash who will not do a damn
102 Post contains images MaverickM11 : "LOL... please tell me you aren't that naive!!! Surely Mav11," I figured it would be over your head but I gave it a shot anyway. You said the wealthy
103 BN747 : I figured it would be over your head but I gave it a shot anyway. You said the wealthy won't help the poor because they need someone to look down upon
104 Catatonic : Dtwclipper It takes an extremely brave person to say what you said, for that you deserve a lot of respect and you certainly have mine! Concordeboy, I
105 MaverickM11 : Speak of the devil... http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/15/health/15beha.html? Hrmm....the linked version of the address is right below here but it's not
106 Avek00 : "Concordeboy, I have never met you and its probably a good thing that I dont but I will say this, when you meet your end I hope you are treated with t
107 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : People who respond to it with compassion and understanding are rare. ...as are reasons to be, as of late You must be joking... the way you've been clo
108 Jaysit : as much latent contempt as I may have for these vermin, I continually remind myself that there's others out there who will suffer the same fate throug
109 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : They're worthy of less contempt and more respect ...from who: Glaxo? Phizer? Anyone with a career interest in virology? ...wait, I got it-- morticians
110 Dtwclipper : They're worthy of less contempt and more respect ...from who: Glaxo? Phizer? Anyone with a career interest in virology? ...wait, I got it-- morticians
111 Avek00 : "help people to understand the nature of this illness" There's info. about HIV/AIDS all over the place, including the Internet. While info. about the
112 Dtwclipper : Avek00: I am well aware of that, but peer pressure often is the best tool.
113 Jaysit : They're worthy of less contempt and more respect From the rest of humanity. One of these days, luv, the condom's gonna break while you're bent over, a
114 JpetekYXMD80 : Ok, Jaysit. Being pissed about what ConcordeBoy is saying is one thing, it is another to ramble off an utterly stupid post like that. Who are you to s
115 Jaysit : Ok, Jaysit. Being pissed about what ConcordeBoy is saying is one thing, it is another to ramble off an utterly stupid post like that. Who are you to s
116 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : You are acting like a pompous 20 something who thinks because he has taken a couple of college courses you are an expert on all things under the sun.
117 MaverickM11 : "Were that to happen, people deserve respect, compassion and decency from others" Not when they have unprotected sex with multiple partners while on a
118 Jaysit : Like most anything else, there comes a point where people have to take responsibility for their own self-preservation, and I dare say that point comes
119 ConcordeBoy : All the self-preservation we employ fails to protect us under such circumstances and my, and nigh-anyone else's, heart goes out to those unfortunate e
120 RedDragon : EDIT: Deleted, missed the boat...[Edited 2005-02-15 22:42:37]
121 RedDragon : I couldn't help but notice that, although far be it to turn this into a suicide/euthanasia thread...
122 Catatonic : Avek00 You agree with Cboy blindly, for what reason I dont even wish to guess. His words are so fuelled with arrogance and ignorance its almost unbeli
123 Jaysit : and my, and nigh-anyone else's, heart goes out to those unfortunate enough to have this happen..... just that some of you dopes are too closed-minded
124 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : He uniformly displays contempt for all who acquire the HIV virus by sexual intercourse. just that some of you dopes are too closed-minded to parse tha
125 Jaysit : He uniformly displays contempt for all who acquire the HIV virus by sexual intercourse. just that some of you dopes are too closed-minded to parse tha
126 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Yes, even the most uncompassionate liar will do a rapid reversal on his dogmatic wretched views when pushed to the wall. ...hmm: either that, or in yo
127 Avek00 : "His words are so fuelled with arrogance and ignorance its almost unbelievable!" Where exactly is this the case? Truth be told, I'm seeing alot of emo
128 Jaysit : hmm: either that, or in your zeal to repetitively call me "liar", you apparently missed Reply#28. Brilliant Or in your repeated zeal to protect what's
129 Avek00 : "My, you're really not too bright, are you? There you go again, lying and negating what you just stated earlier. The record speaks for itself." With a
130 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : t least Phelps never lied and back pedalled in a show of utter cowardice once exposed Nor have I, what's your point?
131 Jaysit : Sorry, Avek00. Selective quotes by CB while deliberately eliminating the ones that show the culpability of your "client," do not do you justice. I hav
132 RJpieces : Score: ConcordeGirl 1, Jaysit ZERO.
133 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : his minimal, if any, support for HIV patients, is restricted to those who contracted the disease outside the sexual arena. This mistake being the flaw
134 Slider : This thread has spiraled out of control in a hurry. Without taking any SIDE per se, let me elaborate on what I (think) CBoy was saying: In short, that
135 ConcordeBoy : In the case of AIDS, it remains a 100% behaviorally controlled disease (with the now very rare statistically insignificant exceptions). In the Western
136 Catatonic : Score: ConcordeGirl 1, Jaysit ZERO. RJpieces As pointless as your contribution to this thread has been, your Puerile attempt to quantify the persuasio
137 Catatonic : let me elaborate on what I (think) CBoy was saying: I think Cboy is capable of elaborating on his own and does not need people to dilute his bigoted o
138 MaverickM11 : "the abhorrence you harbour towards your own sexuality " What are you inferring regarding sexuality and HIV......?
139 SFOMEX : Lets face it guys, barebacking has become so fashionable among gay men that it's just fair to blame them for what's going on now. 20 years ago gay men
140 AeroWesty : I'd be interested on how you deduced that sex and intravenous drug use is different on a behavioral level outside the western world.
141 BN747 : First off, I don't have sex with a guy I'm not tested with, secondly... if somehow/way that actually happend-- I'd do the world a favor and off long b
142 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Spare me the cryptic drivel... exactly what here have I said that's homo'phobic', or even better, hypocritical? True, though it is refreshing to see
143 Post contains images MaverickM11 : " They still deserve compassion and respect" Why on earth do they deserve respect? I'll grant them tolerance, but respect? They'd have to earn it, and
144 ConcordeBoy : Mav, check yer email.
145 AeroWesty : I didn't deduce those to be the sole methods at all. But I don't consider infantile HIV infection behavioral on the part of the infant. Question stil
146 Dtwclipper : I have found this thread to be one of the most distasteful, hateful and fear fueled threads I have read since being apart a-net. I am truly at a loss
147 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : EXACTLY, hence reply#135 I have found this to be one of the most thought-provoking, thoroughly discussed, and (best of all) ON TOPIC threads I have r
148 Dtwclipper : Because at 21, you don't have the experience....you can not respond to that, because it is true, you will see when you grow up. What? By being constr
149 Dtwclipper : You can read my trip report and find out!
150 NoUFO : Indeed. Whitehatter's anger is something I undestand, but not CB's behaviour. "We"? Did it ever cross you mind that the majority of the society is no
151 Flybyguy : One must remember that Hepatitis is also a major disease as well. If there is a vaccine other than celibacy for HIV, which is highly doubtful, people
152 767Lover : And yet CB has an exceedingly high "respect rating." Another reason to remove that ridiculous system from the boards.
153 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : jealousy is rather unbecoming That said.... CNN has just reported that the same/similar strain has been discovered in California. What they don't kno
154 Catatonic : Sad.......Unless they happen to have acquired it through gay sex, isnt that right CBoy? Jelousy does not become me, but sarcasm does! Respect rating
155 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : if that were accurate, which of course it isn't; there wouldn't be people here with less than 800 posts but among the highest of all RRs, would there
156 MaverickM11 : "Sad.......Unless they happen to have acquired it through gay sex" No one, on this site has made that statement. [Edited 2005-02-17 23:02:06]
157 Catatonic : He implies it in many posts, why dont you ask him his opinion on the subject?
158 ConcordeBoy : He has, we've spoken rather extensively only it... ...we both find it incomprehensible how so many are willing to place various facets of "blame" (con
159 MaverickM11 : "He implies it in many posts" No, YOU have implied that. You and others have implied that by chastizing those who are HIV+ because of mind numbing irr
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