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User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

This is not meant to be racist or anything, but why is it that most black people say "ax" instead of "ask"? Do they have different tongues, or what?

Thanks

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User currently offlineZOTAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Im not really sure what you are saying since ive never heard "ax", but trying researching something called ebonics.

User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

No, it is not ebonics. I was watching a commercial and the lady was saying how she called 1800ASKGARY, but she pronounced it 1800akstGARY

User currently offlineNorskMan From Norway, joined Jan 2005, 113 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

Yeah it is ebonics:

axing
to refer to someones knowledge
ASKING
I was axing this guy bout his wife...

Here's a ebonics dictionary that i found, lol:

http://www.dolemite.com/ebonics/allwords.htm



yeah i know
User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

It's ebonics, but it's no different than white Minnesotans saying "Yah" instead of "Yeah." I'm kinda tired of everyone labeling the way that black people talk, while the way white people talk is "normal." It's like people who pronounce dude, "Di-youd." It's the way some people talk. I'm black and I don't say "Ax."

Jeremy


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2122 times:

i dont like when people type w/ insted of with i mean its 3 more letters!! not that much!

User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2119 times:

I am not trying to label here. The difference is there is diversity in the different regions with white people, and it is local, while I believe it is more common around our country for black people to say axing.

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2116 times:

I think there is a difference between ebonics and using the word "ax". Ax is just the way some people pronounce ask, much like y'all and yah, and I have heard many white people say ax also. While ax is much like an accent, ebonics is the complete bastardization of the English language. These people have no idea how to speak properly, so they just speak gibberish.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineKevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2106 times:

"Do they have different tongues, or what?"

Ah, the brilliant minds of the non-aviation forum reveal themselves once more.  Insane


Also, just FYI: Any time you write/speak the words "This is not meant to be racist or anything," whatever follows is DEFINITELY racist.



"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." --Stephen Colbert
User currently offlineNorskMan From Norway, joined Jan 2005, 113 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2094 times:

This topic is going NOWHERE fast. People speak the way the speak, who knows why, let's not turn this into some big racial thing...


yeah i know
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2052 times:

Too late NorskMan... that's exactly what the thread starter intented. It couldn't be any clearer in his opening comments...

Bravo7E7
This is not meant to be racist or anything, but why is it that most black people say "ax" instead of "ask"

Newark777:
...ebonics is the complete bastardization of the English language. These people have no idea how to speak properly, so they just speak gibberish.



What's amazing is you can almost time it with a stop-watch at about every 6-8 months someone like these two braintrust who know more than the average person about airplanes and aviation and yet know squat about people in general will pop up here at A.net and ask such an assinine question... instead of approaching and black guy (or the ethnic du jour) and ask him themselves.

These two are of the mindset that they themselves had some sort of say in their sperm injection to become what they think they are today... when they just as easily could have been born in Backwood, Arkansas... living out of a duct-taped Airtstream Trailer with non-functioning propane tanks (and using words like 'ain't and y'all' all day long without batting an eye. Or born under a camel in an Afghan Desert.

"The only thing more infinite than the universe... is human stupidity" and these two just exhibited stellar examples of such...

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

These two are of the mindset that they themselves had some sort of say in their sperm injection to become what they think they are today... when they just as easily could have been born in Backwood, Arkansas... living out of a duct-taped Airtstream Trailer with non-functioning propane tanks (and using words like 'ain't and y'all' all day long without batting an eye. Or born under a camel in an Afghan Desert.

Did you even read my post? I am not speaking ill of blacks or any other group for that matter. I am just saying it is horrible that people who "speak" ebonics have disgraced the English language. This is not about blacks, it is about education. The poor education in the nation is mostly in the large urban areas, which also happens to be the areas with the highest concentration of minorities. Therefore, it is these individuals who are the ones speaking the ebonics and getting high all the time. If I was born into that situation, I would probably be speaking ebonics and shooting up right now. I just thank my lucky stars that I had the privilege to be brought up in an environment that fosters education, and that I had caring parents.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineJetJock22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

I say yall. Does that make me a non-normal "white speaker"? People speak how they speak.

User currently offlineSkyway1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Our former trainer at C8(all the employees know who he is) spoke this way. "Let me ax you ask a question!" We all wondered what is was about!

Chris


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Did you even read my post? I am not speaking ill of blacks or any other group for that matter. I am just saying it is horrible that people who "speak" ebonics have disgraced the English language. This is not about blacks, it is about education. The poor education in the nation is mostly in the large urban areas, which also happens to be the areas with the highest concentration of minorities. Therefore, it is these individuals who are the ones speaking the ebonics and getting high all the time. If I was born into that situation, I would probably be speaking ebonics and shooting up right now.

Wow.. talk about stepping into the dog sh*t .. then just doing a swan dive into it.. kid your rating on that one was a perfect 10!!!

What's scarier is... he really believes what he just wrote...

You really need to tattoo this "The only thing more infinite than the universe... is human stupidity" on your forehead, drivers liscense and anything else that reminds people of 'you'...

Could you possibly dig yourself in any deeper???

BN747




"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

I've taken several linguistics courses and can tell you that it is very unlikely that the word "aks" is due to racial genetics (which is a fallacy in and of itself anyway). "Aks" probably started in a region with a heavy black population, by a process known as metathesis, and thus tends to be spoken more by black people. BEV (Black English Vernacular=ebonics) evolved from Southern American English and spread as a cultural identity but also began to be spoken by all races. From a linguistic point of view BEV is a perfectly valid language/dialect, as it has its own rules and conveys meaning just as well as English does. In the same token, the word "aks" evolved from "ask", but is a perfectly valid word since it conveys the same meaning. Without this process, we wouldn't have many of the words we have today, for example "Dirt" came from "Drit".

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

Just for fun, I typed BN747's response into an ebonics translator:

Wow.. jive about stepping into da dog sh*t .. then just doin' uh swan dive into it.. kid yo' rating on dat one wuz uh perfect 10!!!

What'sscarier iz... he really believes what he just wrote...

You really need ta tattoo dis here "The only thin' mo' infinite than da universe... iz human stupidity" on yo' forehead, drivers liscense an' anythin' else dat reminds peeps o' 'you'...

Could ya possibly dig yourself in any deeper???
what 'chew thinking man?
 Laugh out loud

Lighten up man. Take a breath. Chill out.  Big grin

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

There's nothing to lighten up or chill out about.. you just made a colossal fool out of yourself by stating beliefs you hold as valid. It appears you've lived your entire life in a coke can. Boy, will your world be rocked ..when you walk in on your parents/uncle/sister getting high on pot or whatever they indulge in. America is the illegal drug capital of the world (users and demand market that is...) and more whites participate than anyone else.... why.. simply because their are more of them...

Now smoke those ebonics but don't fry the 'stupidity cells'... we don't want you to get enlightened too fast-- you could short-circuit something.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

Harry, roflmao. But remember there is nothing wrong eith butchering our language. It is not their fault they can't learn to speak. It is all societies fault. Smile

BN747, it is better to be the illegal drug capital of the world rather then the legal drug capital of the world. Smile


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13511 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1935 times:
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"The only thing more infinite than the universe... is human stupidity" and these two just exhibited stellar examples of such...

BN747


While you may be right, wouldn't it have been easier to roll your eyes and move on?

Y'know, instead of choosing to take this apparently irresistible opportunity to act smug and superior, calling them out as racists all in attempt to feel good about yourself...



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

While we're on the topic....


...why is it that so many white people cannot seem to pronounce the "w" in any word spelled "whi..." or "wi..." without immediately following it with the "h" sound?

It's most often heard, ironially enough, on the word "white"-- which they pronounce 'wah-hite'

Also, there's:
'wah-high' (why)
'wah-hild' (wild)
etc

Words like "when", "where", "wonder", etc remain unaffected.


If you've never witnessed this before... just watch Lou Dobbs on CNN, he does it all the time.

Anyone?  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

Calling us out as racists?! What thread are you guys reading? I'd like one reference so far to show where I have been racist.

There's nothing to lighten up or chill out about.. you just made a colossal fool out of yourself by stating beliefs you hold as valid. It appears you've lived your entire life in a coke can. Boy, will your world be rocked ..when you walk in on your parents/uncle/sister getting high on pot or whatever they indulge in

ROFL, you crack me up (no pun intended). I make one reference to drugs, and now I'm "living in a coke can" (whatever the hell that means), and my "world will be rocked." To even think that any high schooler these days hasn't been exposed to some type of drugs is hilarious. I think you are in for a rockin' yourself when you realize how much you underestimate people.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

Maybe someone should just ax ya'll to just hush up, ya dig?  Big grin

User currently offlineBravo7e7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

Harry, according to urbandictionary.com a coke can is:

1)cock: a penis that has the girth of a Coke can. coke can cock

2)man: nickname of a guy with a penis that has the girth of a Coke can.
1)I was bleeding everywhere afterward because Nick has a Coke can cock!


So I guess thats a compliment. Smile


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1907 times:
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The origin of the regional pronunciation of the word "ask" as "axe" has less to do with color or "ebonics" than it does with the area in which you were raised, or from which your parents came. The propagation of this has to do with subcultural trends in manners of speaking (which is sometimes identified as ebonics, but this goes deeper than that).

It was originally a Southeastern and Delta regional pronunciation of the word that you are hearing. If you wonder why this has travelled outside of the original regions with black people is that, due to needs of the manufacturing regions for workers to replace the whites serving in the then segregated military, there was a tremendous movement out of the south to places like Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Philadelphia and New York during the wars, and again during the 50's and 60's when there was another wave of ethnic migration to western cities by people looking for new opportunities away from Jim Crow in addition to the same reasons that everyone else seemed to want to go west including large numbers into Los Angeles.

The dialect of the original transplants carried over in some ways with their children who grew up in black neighborhoods that began to develop as folks were either redlined into their areas or moved into them due to economic or comfort pressures. These cultural subgroups kept their language inside of their own communities and had this reinforced by some who used the different pronunciations to make clearer the differences between them and others.

Now if you ever travel to the regions you may hear a white Cajun or a south Georgia farmer say "Lemme acks 'is feller a question..." and you'll have a better understanding why they are speaking this way.

Also, the next time you want to understand something about the topic of dialects and regional or ethnic pronunciations look into doing some research with some professionals who can give you better insights than we can without taking the hits for asking a question and paving the way for the reactionary flame wars.

Heres some sites for you.
UPenn source with excellent offline bibliography
http://www.ling.upenn.edu/phono_atlas/ICSLP4.html

UW
http://www.uwm.edu/Course/350-192/region.html

There are plenty of other sources as well.



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25 Post contains images Newark777 : I'm not sure that is the definition he was going for. As some may say, thats wack. Harry
26 BN747 : Y'know, instead of choosing to take this apparently irresistible opportunity to act smug and superior, calling them out as racists all in attempt to f
27 Aerobalance : Sepatown, tippie ties... Fo yo sine your pinny on the runny kine... I got ta say tha nay-no on the flappa-jaw... Disrespect mine tine tanies and I'm f
28 HAWK21M : Like talking in Hinglish out here.You need to know both [Hindi & English] regds MEL
29 Aerorobnz : many of the maori & polynesians also speak like that, it isn't just an ebonic thing if other races speak like that too. It annoys me when I hear 'arks
30 EA CO AS : Y'know, instead of choosing to take this apparently irresistible opportunity to act smug and superior, calling them out as racists all in attempt to f
31 BN747 : It sure seemed like it was implied at the very least. And my my my are you just full of yourself... now you can smell the implications of racism at th
32 Post contains images EA CO AS : you clearly attempted to discourage me from ridiculing it for the ignorance that it is No, I attempted to discourage you from acting all self-congratu
33 Slider : Whether people are black, white, or purple with pink polka dots, it's not surprising to me that so many people fail to achieve a basic command of the
34 Post contains links and images Garnetpalmetto : The origin of the regional pronunciation of the word "ask" as "axe" has less to do with color or "ebonics" than it does with the area in which you wer
35 Post contains images N243NW : I also hear hoo-ite instead of simply white a lot by Caucasians. It drives me nuts. -N243NW
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