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Arab Countries May Recognize Israel Soon  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=2/14/2005&Cat=14&Num=001

Ignore the blatant propaganda such as "Zionist regime".

Israeli Foreign Minister Sylvan Shalom has announced that at least 10 Arab embassies will be established in Tel Aviv by the yearend. Qatar, Oman, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, and occupied Palestine are to send ambassadors to Tel Aviv by the end of 2005, according to reports.

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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5854 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

"Ignore the blatant propaganda such as "Zionist regime"."

It's on the opinion page, what do you expect?

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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Those countries mentioned are already ones that do "unofficial" cooperation with Israel.

Israel has what are called "diplomatic offices" in these countries.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

Propoganda? How about anti-semitism.

If the Arabs, and particularly the Persian Gulf littoral states, establish ties with Israel by the end of the current year, the region will experience terrible crises because the Zionist regime plans to dominate the Persian Gulf oil reserves....

... After the Oslo Accords, former Israeli prime minister Shimon Peres put forward a plan, called the New Middle East, that aimed to help Israel establish ties with Persian Gulf Arab states, import their oil products at low prices, and export about 17 billion dollars of Israeli products to those countries annually.

In the initial phase of the plan, Israeli trade offices were opened in Qatar and Oman. And now, the final stage of the dangerous plan is underway.

If such a plan is implemented before Palestine’s destiny is decided, the Zionist regime will take control of regional countries politically and economically and plunder their assets and resources.

Therefore, the establishment of diplomatic ties between Arab states and Israel is one of the treacherous plans within the evil Greater Middle East Initiative, which is meant to make Israel the regional gendarme.

If the current trend of Arab-Israeli relations continues, the prediction of the Arab political analyst, who said that by 2010 no Arab would be able to spend a day without eating an egg imported from Israel, will come true.


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Unbelievable that this stuff is spewed around, but then again I'm not surprised.



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5643 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

What about the UAE establishing relations with Israel? It seems like a country that values economic pragmatism over ideology.


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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

Tbar220,

I fail to see how what you posted is anti-Semitic.

I don't see anywhere any kind of expression of hatred towards Jews and other Semites (like us Arabs).

Anti-Zionist? Yes. Zionism is a political ideology.

Prosa,

Unlikely for now because the UAE is one of the biggest contributers to the Palestinian cause and Palestinian aid.

The UAE by nature has always been very Arab nationalistic and is a strong advocate of Arab nationalism and Arab unity.

When Israel recently approached the UAE to open a "diplomatic office," they were quickly rejected.

[Edited 2005-02-15 05:55:26]


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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

BA,

Are you kidding? They write down "zionism" so that they can get away with blatant attacks on Judaism. Let's look closer...

the Zionist regime plans to dominate the Persian Gulf oil reserves....

This paranoia that the Jews are going to dominate Persian Gulf oil reserves is a classic example of the "Jews are out to control the economy" type thinking that is seen in anti-semitic thought.

And now, the final stage of the dangerous plan is underway.

The writer acts as if there is some sort of evil plan that the Jews have to take over the area and region. It is very similar to a document called "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", also very anti-semitic.

The Zionist regime will take control of regional countries politically and economically and plunder their assets and resources.

Read my first comment, applies here as well.

Therefore, the establishment of diplomatic ties between Arab states and Israel is one of the treacherous plans within the evil Greater Middle East Initiative, which is meant to make Israel the regional gendarme.

If the current trend of Arab-Israeli relations continues, the prediction of the Arab political analyst, who said that by 2010 no Arab would be able to spend a day without eating an egg imported from Israel, will come true.


Again, same as above. There is an implied Jewish plot to take over the area and control the economy. This is as anti-semitic as it gets.

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Do yourself a favor, don't make a fool of yourself over this. I don't throw around the "anti-semitism" card much, but this clearly isn't an "editorial/opinion". It is anti-semitic propoganda at its worst, and it is aimed to spread negative opinions of Jews and Israel. If you cannot see it, you are as blind as those who believe it.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

We're going to have to disagree I'm afraid as usual Tbar220...

Zionism is in reference to the Israeli regime. Not the Jewish religion.

There is a very big difference.

Iran is clearly against Israel, since when is that new?

But is that anti-Semitic? Clearly not...

And I'm afraid you DO throw around the "anti-semitism" card a lot.

Anyone that criticizes Israel, be it Iran or anyone is accused of being anti-Semitic.

To you Iran accusing Israel of trying to dominate the Persian Gulf oil reserves is anti-Semitic when there is absolutely no implications of hatred against Jews or Jewish people anywhere in that press statement.

If you knew something about Iran, you'd know that even though they are an Islamic Republic and a corrupt one, Judaism and Christianity are also officially recognized religions and Iran is still home to MANY Iranian Jews who constantly travel to Iran.

There is absolutely no sign of hatred targetted against a specific race or religion of people anywhere in that article.

Now do is the article pretty silly? Yes. Is it anti-Semitic? No.

So cut the anti-Semitism rhetoric. You're argument is very weak...

I'm off to sleep...

[Edited 2005-02-15 10:25:50]


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User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

I love that egg statement.


To work themselves up by saying Israel will be taking over the oil reserves of the Persian Gulf, and then ending the article by "ominously" predicting that Israel (usually known as the Zionist entity) will corner the egg market (as if somehow that's worse than owning all your oil and natural resources) just strikes me as funny.




User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

BA,

When you target the Jewish state for unbased criticism and paranoid hatred, and label your target as "zionism", that is anti-semitism. This is not an attack on Zionism, this is not an attack on this so called "zionist regime", it is an attack against Jews. The same thing was done in Europe pre-WWII, Jews were attacked and people were whipped into a paranoid frenzy over the thought that Jews would take over the economy and control the government, etc. etc. You cannot hide blatant anti-semitic thought against Jews as criticism of Zionism. It's not that simple.

What do you have to say about the specific parts of the article I posted? Do you truly believe that Israel is out to control Middle East oil? Do you believe that Israel is trying to control the entire Middle Eastern market and economy? Do you believe that there is some greater evil plan or "Middle Eastern Initiative" that Israel is trying to achieve?

If you believe any of these things, I think you're as foolish as they come.



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

The guy who wrote the article is hardly a balanced journalists. I read other articles by him, he blames Israel on EVERYTHING


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

When you target the Jewish state for unbased criticism and paranoid hatred, and label your target as "zionism", that is anti-semitism

When you attack Jews because they are Jews, that's anti-semitism. When you attack a country that has citizens of many faiths, it's not anti-semitism.


User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1539 times:


Quoting CXA330300 (reply 11):


Quoting CXA330300 (reply 11):
The guy who wrote the article is hardly a balanced journalists. I read other articles by him, he blames Israel on EVERYTHING


I agree. However, remember that he's an editorialist. Have you read the editorial page of the Jerusalem Post? They are full of anti-Arab rhetoric similar to the foolish rhetoric of this Iranian newspaper. I guess every country needs this kind of press.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

If the current trend of Arab-Israeli relations continues, the prediction of the Arab political analyst, who said that by 2010 no Arab would be able to spend a day without eating an egg imported from Israel, will come true.

 Laugh out loud

Whoever wrote that is seriously cracked, if not scrambled.

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If I need you as a trading partner why destroy you?



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1511 times:

Quoting 777236ER (reply 12):
When you attack Jews because they are Jews, that's anti-semitism. When you attack a country that has citizens of many faiths, it's not anti-semitism.


Israel is the Jewish State, there may be other religions, but it is a haven for Jews. You never see Iran or other Arab nations attack Israel because its that "state with many religions". You see them attack Israel because its the Jewish state with the "Zionist propoganda" carried out by the "Zionist regime". Using the term zionism is just an easy way to get away with constant criticism of Jews in Israel using very anti-semitic rhetoric. Take that editorial for example...



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1506 times:

You never see Iran or other Arab nations attack Israel because its that "state with many religions". You see them attack Israel because its the Jewish state with the "Zionist propoganda" carried out by the "Zionist regime". Using the term zionism is just an easy way to get away with constant criticism of Jews in Israel using very anti-semitic rhetoric.

Spot on.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1494 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (reply 10):
When you target the Jewish state for unbased criticism and paranoid hatred, and label your target as "zionism", that is anti-semitism.


No it isn't my friend. Unless the state is being targetted by unbased criticism specifically because they are Jews, THEN that is anti-Semitism.

Quoting Tbar220 (reply 10):
This is not an attack on Zionism, this is not an attack on this so called "zionist regime", it is an attack against Jews.


There are absolutely no indications anywhere in the article where it specificially targets Jews or the Jewish religion. Therefore it is not anti-Semitism.

It is targetting the state, the state of Israel, its regime and nothing more.

As long as the comments are not being directed towards Jews specifically for being Jews or the Jewish faith, then it is not anti-Semitism.

Quoting Tbar220 (reply 10):
The same thing was done in Europe pre-WWII, Jews were attacked and people were whipped into a paranoid frenzy over the thought that Jews would take over the economy and control the government, etc. etc.


Jews were attacked in WWII in Europe and people were paranoid about the Jews BECAUSE they were Jews! That is anti-Semitism.

Quoting Tbar220 (reply 10):
What do you have to say about the specific parts of the article I posted? Do you truly believe that Israel is out to control Middle East oil? Do you believe that Israel is trying to control the entire Middle Eastern market and economy? Do you believe that there is some greater evil plan or "Middle Eastern Initiative" that Israel is trying to achieve?


I really don't know if Israel is out to control the Middle East. It's just like those who argue that the US invaded Iraq to steal its oil. Is that the US' intention? I don't know, I guess time will tell. Perhaps this was the original intention of the US until the Iraqi situation turned out to be more screwed up than they predicted or maybe this never was the intention of the US.

There are people who believe that Syria wants to annex Lebanon. Do I know this is what they want to do? No, I have no solid proof. Maybe that is what they want and maybe not. I just don't know. I don't jump to conclusions.

Anyway, I am not defending the integrity of the article which I do think is silly as it is baseless without backing of any real facts. I am simply stating that it is not anti-Semitic.

Quoting Tbar220 (reply 10):
If you believe any of these things, I think you're as foolish as they come.


And I think you are foolish for stating that this article is anti-Semitic.

Quoting Tbar220 (reply 15):
Israel is the Jewish State, there may be other religions, but it is a haven for Jews. You never see Iran or other Arab nations attack Israel because its that "state with many religions". You see them attack Israel because its the Jewish state with the "Zionist propoganda" carried out by the "Zionist regime".


They attack Israel because they regard that it is an illegal state founded on Arab land illegally with the help of the British colonialists which led to the expulsion of 800,000 Arabs into neighboring Arab lands.

That's why they attack Israel. They don't attack Israel for being Jewish or because the people are Jewish.

It's simple. It is regarded as an illegal state and that is why it is not recognized by the Arab governments.

Again, not anti-Semitic.

Israel could be a founded by Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Bahai, Zoroastrianists, or Satanists and it would be no different.

It would still be regarded as a state illegally founded on Arab land by foriegn immigrants, most of whom came from Europe.

Quoting Tbar220 (reply 15):
Using the term zionism is just an easy way to get away with constant criticism of Jews in Israel using very anti-semitic rhetoric. Take that editorial for example...


Do you have proof or solid evidence that this criticism is directed towards Jews and they are simply trying to cover it up by calling it Zionism?

Until you have solid proof that this is the intention, then I consider your argument invalid.

And no, I don't believe in mind readers, so I won't by that argument if you say that you read the editorialist's mind.  Insane

[Edited 2005-02-16 04:44:24]


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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1490 times:

Quoting BA (reply 17):

Jews were attacked in WWII in Europe and people were paranoid about the Jews BECAUSE they were Jews! That is anti-Semitism.


Wow, you should study your history.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1484 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (reply 18):
Wow, you should study your history.


LOL, I know my WWII history very well Tbar220...

Are you suddenly changing your mind by saying Jews were not persecuted and killed by Nazi Germany during WWII (and before)?

Yes, the Jews were very successful in Europe and that is why many were jealous of their success and that is why they were persecuted.

However, the persecution was carried out specifically against Jews. It was not carried out against successful people.

The successful "supreme Aryan race" as Hitler called them were not persecuted.

It was the Jews and many minorities and anyone who did not fit into the definition of the "Aryan race" by the Nazis.

You yourself said this was the situation, why are you suddenly refuting it?



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1482 times:
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Reading this article reinforces the opinion I hold about whether Iran should be allowed to develop nuclear weapons unfettered by anyone.

There is an unreasoning fear on the parts of some Arabs and Islamic groups in the region (not all the Islamic nations are Arab).

"During this period, the Zionist regime has massacred thousands of innocent Palestinians."

this quote from the article is unsubstantiated but it serves to inflame the passions of readers who will not get another perspective on the issue, and furthers the writers efforts to make peace in the area a more remote possibility by calling it a reward for the Israelis only.

Peace will benefit everyone in the region except for the terrorists and the anti-democratic fundamentalist leaders that seek to rule under Sharia.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

>Ignore the blatant propaganda such as "Zionist regime"<

Um, that is how Israeli Nationalists refer to themselves, so I don't see how that is blatant propaganda.

BTW, anti-semitism works both ways, and the Israeli government can be seen as anti-semetic as anyone.

>Peace will benefit everyone in the region except for the terrorists and the anti-democratic fundamentalist leaders that seek to rule under Sharia.<

Which violates the Koran and is not valid in Islam. What about the terrorists sponsored by Israel?



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

Out of curiousity... why Tel Aviv instead of Jerusalem?

User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1462 times:

Out of curiousity... why Tel Aviv instead of Jerusalem?

Arab countries aren't about to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel! Although it's very likely that the US Embassy will finally be moved to Jerusalem at some point in the next 4 years.....Heck, Arabs setting up shop in Tel Aviv is a good enough first step in my opinion.


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Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1462 times:
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Quoting N1120A (reply 21):
Which violates the Koran and is not valid in Islam. What about the terrorists sponsored by Israel?


What violates the Koran?

Which terrorists are sponsored by Israel?

Any terrorists will lose out on peace.



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25 N1120A : >Out of curiousity... why Tel Aviv instead of Jerusalem?What violates the Koran?Which terrorists are sponsored by Israel?
26 Superfly : Israeli Foreign Minister Sylvan Shalom has announced that at least 10 Arab embassies will be established in Tel Aviv by the yearend. Qatar, Oman, Tuni
27 DL021 : Tell me which Israeli PM, aside from Begin who was in the Hagana and participated in the bombing of the King David Hotel but also made peace with Egyp
28 Falcon84 : Reading the support for the terrorists and nutjob regimes like Syria and Iran tha exists on here among the "moderate" Arab members of this site, it wi
29 NumberTwelve : Tbar220, BA is ABSOLUTELY right. When Israel is attacking Palestinians, the Central Council of Jews in Germany says "This are not the Jews, this is a
30 Post contains links Ushermittwoch : True that he is an official terrorist. I believe that N wanted to put it that numerous Israeli leaders have been involved in unjustified and illegal
31 LY7E7 : #12, The point that BA fails to see (and always will) is that claims of Israel overpowering economically the middle eastern regimes and becoming a rul
32 Post contains images NumberTwelve : @Aschermittwoch: I know why you are on my Respected User List And yes, sorry, LY, it was Jerusalem. He was an extreme right wing man, and as much as I
33 Ushermittwoch : Interesting, but I fail to see the connection with some American sporting a French flag stating what you quoted and Germany outlawing the NPD. Care t
34 LY7E7 : I was not aware of him being an American. My post was quite general , but since you are all European citizens what exactly seems to be the problem wi
35 NumberTwelve : It depends on the eye of the viewer - Palestinians would highly disagree, LY. So we are talking about Arabic countries who accept Israel ... when do
36 LY7E7 : You haven't watched news/read papers for a long time, have you? Just don't expect it to appear over night. I am not a one,are you? You and I could al
37 NumberTwelve : LY, unfortunatelly we have ultra right wing in Sachsen - on the other hand ultra right wing are governing other countries like yours and the US. And
38 LY7E7 : #12 The "ultra-right" that governs Israel is orchestrating the first ever pull out of an occupied Palestinian land. Get your political knowledge strai
39 NumberTwelve : Of course the US republicans are ultra right wing for me. The democrats are everything but politically left. Israel gave land back to other countries,
40 LY7E7 : #12 Somehow I was absolutely sure that if I look into your profile I'd find a rather different age group. You were comparing the NPD to the Likud and
41 Ts-ior : I hope Tunisia won't do it. It is better to wait and see...
42 11Bravo : Well said LY7E7. If the Palestinian leadership can really stop the attacks on Israel, I think internal and international pressure, including from the
43 RJpieces : The formula seems simple to me. It seems simple to all of us, except the Palestinians. Really weird to think that the people who would benefit most fr
44 NoUFO : > I hope Tunisia won't do it. It is better to wait and see... Wait for what to come? Could you name one good reason not to recognize Israel?
45 NoUFO : That's a bit more difficult than you may think. I'm certainly not a fan of of how settlements were handled, but I don't think of blaming Israel for "
46 NumberTwelve : 11bravo, there was no violence for long time before 2nd intifada and Palestinians didn't get anything. Their biggest hope, Izaak Rabin, had been murd
47 11Bravo : That statement is just flat-out wrong NumberTwelve and I suspect you know that. Prior to the Second Intifada there was a constant dribble of attacks
48 EurostarVA : Hear me out people, This '10 countries to make peace with Israel' is wishful thinking on the part of Mr. Shalom. There won't be any Arab countries rus
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