Macc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 969 posts, RR: 3 Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 14091 times:
Dubai is planning the construction of a new Airport. The Jebel Ali Airport will be one of the biggest airport for civil aviation. 6 parallel runways are projected. 120 mio pax and 70 mio t cargo should be handled and the airport will have 370 gates able to handle the A380.
already in 2007 the first part will be opened (1 runway). dubai planned this development to begin after 2010, but want to start now due to lack of capacitiy in its existing city airport.
source: www.orf.at with reference to the german newspaper "die Welt"
Star_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13634 times:
Don't forget that they're marketing Dubai (and have been relatively successful up to now) as the ideal gateway between Europe and Australia, which is a huge market... Desert or not, if they can offer attractive fares they will get the pax on these routes.
This news was reported a few weeks ago however, and from what I remember the new airport will be mainly used for cargo, freeing space at DXB.
PyroGX41487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13027 times:
Oil prices aside and all that bologna aside (it honestly doesn't matter to me atm), Dubai wouldn't only be serving EK traffic. Since when has there been an airport built solely for one airline? This new one should not only be handling EK's A380 fleet but a handful of other intl airlines as well.
Floris From Netherlands, joined Jun 2003, 243 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12970 times:
Guys, let get serious here. Dubai exists because of oil, and if they can afford an airport with 370 gates for A380 in the middle of the desert, to support just one city, obviously they are making way to much money on that oil.
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4934 posts, RR: 47 Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12893 times:
Dubai exists because of oil, and if they can afford an airport with 370 gates for A380 in the middle of the desert, to support just one city, obviously they are making way to much money on that oil.
Dubai is running out of oil, so they are investing the money they've made into building a Dubai that is ready for when the oil runs out. Dubai is being turned into a major tourist and business destination, because they want to keep their level of prosperity in the future. Very smart thinking if you ask me...
Propulsion From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12720 times:
The Dubai Waterfront promotional video is cringe inducing.
Great...just what the world really needs...more apartments!!!
They say it will be a 'balanced city development' - a concept preached in almost every planning stage of every commercial development in every location in modern times. This translates into a place for the haves and the have mores.
How far will the airport be from the Waterfront development? I would presume multi-million pound apartments would not suffer the indignity of aircraft movement noise?
A bus is a vehicle that runs twice as fast when you are after it as when you are in it.
EurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12677 times:
I suggest for everyone making references to oil to visit Dubai and read more about its booming economy. If you look at all the major projects (Dubailand, The Palms, and now The Waterfront), you will realize that most of the money is being raised from the private sector, NOT the government. And this is because the private sector is very confident in the future of the city.
HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12448 times:
How many runways is this airport supposed to have? With 370 gates you are going to need at least 10 runways if the gates are all going to be used. I take it this airport is going to replace ORD and ATL as the busiest airport in the world.
I am guessing that this is in the masterplan for 20 years down the road. They will save enough room for 370 gates but I highly doubt they will build a 370 gate terminal immediately. That would be a real case of wishing "If we build it they will come". They probably have it in their plans incase capacity were to ever expand that much where it would be needed.
Doesn't having as many A380s as Emiraites will be getting defeat the purpose of needing to build that many gates though? We're talking 500 passengers each flight. Its not like Emiriates ordered 500 CRJ or ERJ aircraft. I don't even know if we will see 370 A380s ever fly. In a more serious note, if Emirates used the 777 or A330 as its largest aircraft and the largest regular aircraft to serve the airport was one of them, then it would make sense because they would be operating more frequency routes, but I don't see Emirates or any other A380 operator operating 10 flights a day between Dubai and wherever.
BlackKnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12235 times:
I have been warning of this for some time. Read my past threads. EK has targeted Eastern USA, Europe, and Africa to Asia traffic (Cargo and Passenger) Review their websites (news and releases) there are enough clues. IMHO they are banking upon the fact that LHR and other airports in the area will not be able to keep up. (Change with the times) The A380 and 787 will both provide the tools to enable this Mega-port. As I have said in a previous thread unless England follows the trend of Asia and builds a Sea airport,(Where else are they finding enough land?) the world will change around them. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1946168/
People can argue on the fact that EK must be crazy to have ordered so many A380s. (Let alone hundreds as mentioned above) The real question should be asked "What does EK see that the rest of us do not?".
Col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2039 posts, RR: 22 Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12145 times:
Wow imagine that, planning for the future. This includes improving efficiency, making it pleasant for people going there and transiting. Welcoming visitors, and their cash. Instead of putting it down, maybe we could learn something over here. Maybe they are using oil $, who gives a cr*p it's their money. And if you think it's pie in the sky, look at EK's growth and load factors.
25 A3xx900: To all who say this is gonna be billions of dollars set into the sand million miles away from anywhere: Dubai has a HUGE stop-over market. There may n
26 BlackKnight: There will be many airports in this region of the world than will fins themselves less congested.
27 EurostarVA: ooooppss... I gave the wrong Dubailand link...the actual website is http://www.dubailand.ae
28 BlackKnight: I was not going to mention this but I will... Innovation is the key to success. The 747 was ran over by the A380 because Boeing made the choice not to
29 A350: I am guessing that this is in the masterplan for 20 years down the road. They will save enough room for 370 gates but I highly doubt they will build
30 Petazulu: This seems like some wishful thinking by Dubai. I have never been- but if the wealthiest and one of the largest cities in the world makes due with a t
31 N757KW: There is an old joke that when you die you have to pass through ATL. In the future, it may become when you die you have to pass through Dubai! Ken's b
32 Macc: hm, just one thought... dubai is preparing itself for a time, when the oil is finished. diversification. thats smart. but with what will their A380 fl
33 A350: dubai is preparing itself for a time, when the oil is finished. diversification. thats smart. but with what will their A380 fly, if the oil is finishe
34 EurostarVA: Saudi Arabia and Iraq have proven and unproven oil reserves which will last for at least 100 years.....thats where the oil will come from to fly those
35 Alessandro: Enough rich people in the region that goes to Bahrain and UAE for leasure and biz. Also don´t forget the Hajj flights and guest-working flights, not
36 MCIrunway: I wish my city planners would be progressive enough to put infrastructure in place before it's needed. If Dubai has the money and leadership to do it,
37 DAYflyer: 370 A-380's would likely be the entire production run of the airframe for the next 5 years. Looks like EK has some real purchasing plans for a while.
38 N1120A: >Now we really know why oil prices are as high as they are. Stupid sand traps like this being built a million miles from no where.
39 Jsnww81: As many others have said, Dubai (and much of the UAE) are almost completely out of oil. The development explosion we've seen in the last decade is Dub
40 Ushermittwoch: Well one can argue that Dubai is doing everything of becoming Germany's new Mallorca! They are advertising a lot around here and the prices for a vaca
41 Udo: Dubai expect that they will have all those A380 services, they can keep dreaming. And other airports can dream even more… Now we really know why oil
42 Posti: The was I read the article the new airport would have 370 gates, all capable of hadneling an A380, they don't expect 370 A380s at once. I doubt we'll
43 Lufthansa: You guys that are comparing DXB's hub operation to NYC, ORD or ATL don't get it. Those cities hubs work much say, LHR, or CDG. DXB works like singapor
44 IAD777: Since everyone is always making up statistics on this website, let's actually source some of our statements. Here is all of the information you could
45 IAD777: Their marketing is also a model for other cities, countries and airlines as well. Even here in the US, Dubai and Emirates are making a lot of positive
46 NYCFlyer: I don't here you complaining about the Albertans profiting from [oil]. that's because Alberta is not a corrupt, single-resource entity, that's using
47 Boeing7E7: What an “intelligent” comment… Sorry, but that was the ultimate proof that you not only know nothing about Dubai, but also could decide for “I
48 Airbazar: As far as the route between Europe and Oz, you're forgetting another detail that may or may not be important. When you go via SIN you must fly over a
49 Petazulu: Just a thought, could those routes to/from Europe and Asia possibly fill up the number of planes we are talking about? I am not jealous or anything wh
50 BlackKnight: To tie in a few earlier discussions (together)... What percentage of the EU's international traffic is like Sinapore's and can be routed through other
51 JoKeR: I've been reading the posts above and I'll tell you, made me laugh out loud! To our fellow American friends, Why is it that States and what happens th
52 Boeing7E7: Some of us are just here having fun Joker... I'm glad you got a laugh. I don't know about the rest of them. They take this stuff too damn serious. Got
53 Revelation: Here's what I think. Emirates are going to run a lot of the others out of the market, and they'll be able to do so by the Economies of scale the A380
54 Petazulu: JokeR, The fact that you're dismiss anything from a poster with an American flag next to it is poorly thought out. I happen to live in the US. I am ac
55 NYCFlyer: Joker - people have their own points of view, and it has nothing to do with country of origin. Please don't try to turn this thread into something it'
56 Daedaeg: Joker, your name suits you well. Did you have anything constructive to add to the conversation or are you trying to simply stir up the pot? The latter
57 BA: As others have mentioned, the Emirate of Dubai does not have a lot of oil. They have never had much oil and the little oil they have will run out soon
58 AADC10: Now we really know why oil prices are as high as they are. Stupid sand traps like this being built a million miles from no where. You have it backward
59 Airbazar: 370 gates does sound like too much but... In Dubai, how much more does it cost to build 370 gates vs. 270 gates, and 6 runways vs. 4 runways? Remember
60 Leelaw: All the signs from Dubai seem positive, and I hope it continues to develop economically and politically. It is a model for other middle-eastern cities
61 IAD777: Leelaw Fair question. Rapid economic development and liberalization as well as political reform and secularist social change will always draw irate re
62 JoKeR: Boeing 7E7, seems you were right mate... The fact that you're dismiss anything from a poster with an American flag next to it is poorly thought out. N
63 Milan320: Why are you putting things in such a 'US against the world' mentality. Calling the kettle black here aren't we? That's the mentality the US has been h
64 Petazulu: JoKeR, Post 54: "To our fellow American friends," You lump us all together and apply universal points of view to our posts. Enough said
65 JoKeR: Petazulu, I thought you said you were French? Nothing anti-American in my post, just an observation...
66 RootsAir: UDO, you remind me this very old fashioned singer called Udo Jürgens...some guys are not lucky
67 Airbazar: JoKeR, when you live in another country that's not yours sometimes the lines get blured I'm not American but find myself refering to me as one, many t
68 MQrampBOS: If they build it, I want to see it. If they can actually get 370 of ANYTHING at one time and be able to handle it, it'll be a sight.
69 Udo: UDO, you remind me this very old fashioned singer called Udo Jürgens...some guys are not lucky Uh, was that a joke? If yes, tell me, I'll laugh later
70 Eg777er: Whoever made the point about a long-haul hub such as Singapore or Dubai getting very busy with 747s only about 3 times a day, in comparison to shortha
71 RootsAir: No udo its definitely not a joke...You don't know the singer...he lives in Züurich i think
72 Udo: Braulio, I know the singer. But how come I remind you of him? You never heard me sing... Regards Udo
73 Boeing nut: I for one think that this development plan is extremely impressive. Does anyone know of a link that depics the new airport layout? (airport diagram)
74 Hamad: so what will happen to the original dubai (DXB)
75 OzGlobal: The US does more to help international development and free market growth than almost anyone else. It breeds stability. Petazulu Some facts: Source:
76 AeroWesty: Gas is expensive because Every American needs 5.0L V8 Gas guzzling American SUV and the fact that Indian and Chinese economies with 1.0billion+ popula
77 Knighty: All I have to say on this is that with 6 parallel runways it'll make the SFO parallel approach photographs look totally wimpy! Imagine seeing 6 EK A38
78 Propulsion: Given the fact that Korea went through industrialisation faster than Heathrow got Terminal 5, the proposition that England ought to build sea based a
79 BoeingDrew: Same issue, page 9 private US donations for the tsunami victims: US:163 $M Germany: 200 $M Way to go my friend. Your stats are utter rhetoric. Take a
80 AirbusCanada: I don't here you complaining about the Albertans profiting from [oil]. that's because Alberta is not a corrupt, single-resource entity, that's using o
81 Flyinaggie: Guys, Have any of you been to Dubai, the main thing in the article is that it is going to help enhance the Jebl-Ali freezone, and seaport. What many o
82 Lightsaber: Back on topic... As a believe of the super-hub concept, I believe Dubai has the correct idea. What surprises me is its only planned to go to 6 runways
83 Jacobin777: IAD777 and Leelaw..the reason why you see your so-called "Islamists" are because of the fact in Islamic 3rd world countries, there is a lot of uneduca
84 Bennett123: Good point. By and large millionaires do not take part in riots. If a society is becoming radicalised, you have to ask why?. Coming back to the point
85 Gemuser: NYCFlyer - Reply 46 Short answer No. QF is actually moving to operate further north thru HKG to LHR its about 300nm shorter than thru the SE Asia/Midd
86 B2707SST: Also looming are longer range aircraft. The current B777-200LR cannot, quite, do SYD-LHR with a full payload, but the next model should and Airbus is
87 Jaysit: And this is the flip side of all that glitz and glam and all those 200 A380s bringing people to Dubai Land: Unscrupulous contractors taking advantage
88 IAD777: Jacobin777: Calm yourself down. It wasn't an indictment of Muslims. I was referring to politically islamic fundamentalists (I should have chosen my w
89 OzGlobal: as non stop service from SYD/MEL-LHR will capture close to 99% of preimum traffic very quickly and 80% or so of all traffic as the aircraft economics
90 IAD777: Jacobin777: FYI - Islamism "Term used as an alternative to 'fundamentalist' and the French inegriste, to denote a movement that used a return to a sup
91 L-188: I don't here you complaining about the Albertans profiting from [oil]. that's because Alberta is not a corrupt, single-resource entity, that's using o
92 RayChuang: I think people are forgetting that the Arabian Peninsula was an ancient crossroad of Eurasian trade since the very beginning of the rise of civilizati
93 Texdravid: Another thread that falls flat from U.S. vs. Europe bashing!! I am recommending closing this thread!
94 SN-A330: this thread has gone off topic and wil be archived. Regards SN-A330 forum moderator
95 Alessandro: Any buildings that´ll be erased due to this airport, will the old Dubai airport become a cargo-airport when the new airport is ready?