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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

Our legislature here in Maryland are toying with legislation that would make owners of those big decadent SUV's pony up to $700.00 in taxes or registration fees. Hooray for our delegates! Drivers have had a free ride from King George W. For a long while. (loophole where you get a decent tax break for buying a big truck like vehicle.) The big SUV's fit under this classification.
Now, I'm not for more taxes and fees for the sake of them but, when you drive a small car, sharing the road with these big gas hogs can be a pain in the you know what. We pay some of the highest state taxes. Now, I do hope the state is smart and this legislation if passed and enacted applies to new purchases of big SUV's and not "grandathered." These road behemoths deplete our environment, and put more money in the pocket of big oil and OPEC. And, if there is indeed global warming, the switch to more fuel efficient vehicles will keep the wolf at bay.



[Edited 2005-02-17 05:50:31]


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User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1945 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

yay! I HATE those idiotic things. If rich people need to prove their wealth with a status symbol penis extension that destroys the environment and puts everyone else's life on the road at greater risk, at least make them pay craploads into the state economy to do so!

I hope other states follow suit!


[Edited 2005-02-17 06:16:47]


It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

I think that this is stupid, not only are the people who own Hummers having a hard enough time dealing with the cars horrific problems now this. I think we should instead spend federal money into the research and developement of Hydrogen cars. That would be money well spent.

User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4706 times:


As long as it doesn't cost the state (taxpayers) more money to eliminate the loopholes H2 owners will try to seek and the lawyer fees, I am all for this! It will bring a series of complications as to where to draw the line. Will X5's be taxed? How about the X3's? Audi allroads?

The concept is great though and I'm all for this hoping that our politicians here in Ontario keep a close eye on the developement of this.

Take that soccermom!


User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4698 times:


...not only are the people who own Hummers having a hard enough time dealing with the cars horrific problems now this.

Geez, I didn't know the H2 people had it so bad... kinda makes me feel trerrible about my previous post.

I think we should instead spend federal money into the research and developement of Hydrogen cars. That would be money well spent.

AMEN! How many H2's are Maryland plated? Well, that number x $700 is a good start towards cheap electrolysis research.


User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1945 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4696 times:

Geez, I didn't know the H2 people had it so bad... kinda makes me feel trerrible about my previous post.

lol  Big thumbs up

Course the problem right now with hyrdrogen is making it. Sure its great that a car that runs on hydrogen only emits water. But to get the hydrogen you mainly have to use coal, which just burns fossil fuel at another stage in the process and makes Dick Cheney's stock holdings go up...



It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

Besides the Hummer, you got the garish Escalade, and many monstrosities by the Ford Motor Company. Remember the Ford Valdez? Oops, I meant the Excursion? And then there was the short lived Mercury Blackwood. Lets face it, how many people really need these big ugly polluting monsters? How many Navigator owners are going 4 wheeling? I think the premium registration fee makes a hell of a lot more sense than the Big Brother, Communist style legislation in la la land! And, I understand, in the land of moonbeams and Arnold, they are thinking of sticking it to people who drive the hybrid vehicles. As the dude on 20/20 says Give Me A Break!
And, these oversized behemouths are now the pimpmobile of choice in the early years of the 21st. century. Pit Bulls and Navigators what a combination.



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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4684 times:

I have one question, If those cars only spit water out the back, wouldn't that there make them roads a little icy during winter???



CanadianNorth



What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4676 times:

"I have one question, If those cars only spit water out the back, wouldn't that there make them roads a little icy during winter???"

With global warming this becomes much less of a problem.



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User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4666 times:



By the time a mass-market (a.k.a. available in Canada) hydrogen vehicle comes around, I'm afraid there don't be much snow to worry about....heheh, seriously, these are very finite quantities of water we're talking about. Winter versions could have the water found into a small cistern for future (side of the road) disposal.


User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4662 times:



LOL Zippyjet! It's yours, I concede....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

"Remember the Ford Valdez? Oops, I meant the Excursion? And then there was the short lived Mercury Blackwood."

Err.....Mercury Blackwood? could you be talking about the Lincoln Blackwood.


User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

""Remember the Ford Valdez? Oops, I meant the Excursion? And then there was the short lived Mercury Blackwood."

Err.....Mercury Blackwood? Could you be talking about the Lincoln Blackwood.>


My mistake, sorry about that error in fact. But whatever that thing was it was ugly and useless.
You can pour honey on shit but alas, it still is shit!





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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

If Arnold had any balls, he'd do the same thing out here in La La Land (I don't think he drives one anymore). Why anyone feels they need to drive a huge ass 4WD SUV in Southern CA is a mystery to me. Maybe so they can navigate those atrocious speed bumps in their gated communities.

User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

Wow!

I am glad to see some people in North America with some sense, when it comes to cars.
Sadly the SUV trend has flowed over to Europe as well, which makes even less sense since:
#1 Fuel is REALLY expensive here.
#2 Roads are way tighter
#3 We lack parking space
#4 At least in Germany it is illegal to go offroading, so even the most pathetic excuse for buying an SUV is obsolete.




Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

Hi All,
I agree with the idea of taxing SUV owners..First off, those things are contributing to more accident deaths and higher insurance premiums..In addition, they're exempt from the strict emissions laws that our cars are subjected to..What's worse in New England these idiot SUV drivers think they're invulnerable to snow, ice, and rain....I can't recall how many times I've passed SUV's going up a hill in my Rear Wheel Drive car!!! An SUV isn't going to make up for driver incompetence..In fact it probably makes the problem worse as the idiot driver has a false sense of security..

I'd love to enact a 15% "Jerk Tax" on all Hummers..There is nothing more asinine than seeing some Hummer parked at the GROCERY store..(Taking up two spaces in the process) Are people that insecure that they need to buy something that screams, "Look at me!!" (I'm an insecure moron who pays 50K for an overpriced POS!!!) Get a life already..I hope $2 a Gallon gas gets rid of this fad..Haven't we learned anything from the 1970's Oil Embargo?? Sometimes I'm surprised at how short people's memories can be..

SV


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4610 times:

Many states in the USA assess a 'property tax' as to the value of a vehicle, so owners of newer and more expensive vehicles pay maybe many $100's per year. In little Rhode Island, such taxes can be like 6% of the value of the vehicle. Such taxes were a major reason for Schwartznager becoming Califronia's Governor (the 'car tax' had been doubled by the previous governor). Many countries in the world also have registration fees for vehicles based upon their engine size. I do agree that a luxury tax on large, expensive, fuel guzzling newer vehicles of maybe a $200-300, not $750, would be suitable. Problem is to most owners of such vehicles, the tax would be paid with pocket change or treated as a business expense, so they don't see the cost. There is also the legitment need for some people to have these large vehicles, such as those in construction and other businesses where their carrying and towing capabilities and in some case with off-road ability is reasonable and necessary.

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

You can pour honey on shit but alas, it still is shit!

Agreed, the Blackwood was pure fucking ugly Ford crap...especially that tailgate...you can't make a pickup look like a rich man's car.

There are honestly people who need large vehicles...I come from a family of 8, so we needed a Suburban to get around anywhere comfortably. But when I see some gangsta (and you know which race I'm more than likely talking about) driving down the road in his Navigator, big oversized rims, rap music thumping out the back, and euro taillights, I say the government should nail his ass, just for looking like an idiot  Laugh out loud

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

I say we tax the drivers of those pussy-ass hybrids for depriving our states of precious gas tax revenue.

User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1945 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4586 times:

Furthermore, all people who drive hummers should be drafted. This solves two problems at once. Since these people already think they are at war, they won't mind, and it gets rid of the shortage of armored cars... Wink/being sarcastic
Course it might scratch their perfectly polished wax jobs...

LTBEWR:There is also the legitment need for some people to have these large vehicles, such as those in construction and other businesses...

You know what, that might be true of some SUV's (and permits/exemptions might be offered for those very few who really do "need" an SUV...) but in any case this doesn't apply to Navigators or Hummers...those go to the manicured, pedicured people who "need" an SUV because they have a dog in the car (a miniature poodle or something in a Gucci carrier purse)

Oh, what did these poor souls ever do before SUVs were available? They must have suffered so. (I'm sure they bought pickup trucks...oh wait, those weren't in fashion for yuppies yet, so they didn't "need" one...)

[Edited 2005-02-17 15:30:45]


It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

"PUSSY-ASS" hybrid drivers do not need $60,000 6,000 pound dollar penis extensions.


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

Quoting David b. (reply 20):
"PUSSY-ASS" hybrid drivers do not need $60,000 6,000 pound dollar penis extensions.


Yes, but they apparently need to pass judgement on other people based on the vehicle they drive.


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

I have never seen an H2 on a construction site, or an Excursion, or an Avalanche.

I have seen numerous pickup trucks, Suburbans, Blazers, Explorers, I even saw a surveying crew using a Subaru wagon once... But NEVER an H2, there is just no room inside of them. The other two vehicles mentioned are pretty useless too.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

The original Hummer, or more properly, the HMMWV actually has a reason for existing. It is a military vehicle with some real merit in roadless areas. The H2 does not even have that. It is a utility truck with a Humvee-like body on it. It is a complete phony - like putting a Ferrari body on a Yugo. On the HMMWV the axles enter the wheel at the top and drive it through a gear train. This gives great ground clearance. The H2 has conventional axles and wheels and therefore no better ground clearance than a UPS truck. The bodywork may appear to be high but the differential still hangs within a few inches of the ground. Phony!

A friend of mine has real need for such a vehicle. His ranch is thousands of acres of steep, rolling grass and timberland. He has hundreds of miles of primitive roads to get to the various parts of it. A Hummer salesman came to his ranch one day with a demonstrator and after looking it over my friend laughed him off the property.

He has "jeep roads" that were made years ago with very small tractors, and maintained mostly by the traffic of vehicles with a standard width track. The Hummer does not fit on "Jeep roads" and would have been completely useless to him. Further, its greater width just translated into more brush-scratches when he tried to get it offroad.

Unless you just want to climb hills in the desert the Hummer is USELESS as an offroad vehicle. The only thing it is actually good at is taking up two parking spaces.

Before you get too wound up over Hummer tax breaks however, bear in mind that motorhomes are an even better tax break.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4544 times:


Quoting Itsjustme (reply 13):
If Arnold had any balls, he'd do the same thing out here in La La Land (I don't think he drives one anymore).


Arnold drives them still, he drives an insane amount, but the one he drives most is Hydrogen Fuel Celled. Don't forget he really created Hummer so he can do what he wants when he wants with that car. He also has more of those here Hummers than Carter made Liver Pills. But anyway he does in fact have a hydrogen fuel celled Hummer that he is seen driving all the time.


25 Superfly : It's time to give SUV owners the attention they have been craving. Commercial vehicles already pay higher registration and tolls for bridges and hiway
26 Airlinerfreak : No but I have seen a GX470 go off road in mud and pull a boat as my mom owns one and my dad likes to drive it the way it is meant to be driven.
27 Superfly : Airlinerfreak: BMW X5? Mercedes M-class? Nissan Armada? My point was that people only want to fault the American car manufactures yet the imports are
28 Airlinerfreak : I know I got your point I was just informing you that there was at least one person who uses them for the right manner. People now a days use them for
29 N229NW : Superfly, True in some ways, but the biggest monstrosities these days are American (the Escalade, the Navigator, the Expedition, the Excursion, etc.)
30 Post contains images Superfly : Airlinerfreak: Sounds like your dad should have bought a Ford Excursion instead. People now a days use them for their comfort and not for using them
31 Airlinerfreak : Actually someone in his office had one, he drove it because we going to get an SUV and let me tell ya that thing is as big as a limo. It is huge and h
32 Superfly : N229NW: The Excursion, Expedition and Escalade is nothing new yet these so-called enviornemtalist think it's some new design. All they are is enclose
33 Sconym : First off, I think that some people on this thread are passing judement without understanding all the facts. ALot of these cars (Hummer H1, Excursion
34 TriStarEnvy : In a perfect world, all the uber-SUV's would be owned and used by large families,business, and such. But sadly, I find myself being tailgated by some
35 N229nw : NO NO NO! First: you are NOT really safer in an SUV than a car. (Look at the fatality rates. Due to various factors, especially rollovers, SUV driver
36 Post contains images Superfly : Sconym: The fact that I want my family in the H1 (or the excursion for that matter) is simply, because I care about them. If you REALLY care about the
37 Captaingomes : I have one question, If those cars only spit water out the back, wouldn't that there make them roads a little icy during winter??? LOL! Now there's a
38 GuitrThree : All I'm going to say: That's what makes a Blue state Blue. Greedy liberals taking money out of people pockets.
39 DeltaGuy : My point was that people only want to fault the American car manufactures yet the imports are just as bad if not worse. The imports ARE worse...and FU
40 Mdsh00 : Oh jeez. Get over it. So called "red states" take money out of people's pokets too. Just in different ways.
41 Post contains links and images Captaingomes : All I'm going to say: That's what makes a Blue state Blue. Greedy liberals taking money out of people pockets. Care to give me a logical reason why pe
42 Post contains images Superfly : GuitrThree's post are pure entertainment. I doubt that even he is serious.
43 Flight152 : And they usually drive slower than molasses too. The Cayenne turbo and the BMW X5 4.8is would show your Camaro who is boss. The imports ARE worse...an
44 Sovietjet : Um....water already comes out the back of regular gasoline cars. The products of a combustion reaction (octane/gas + oxygen) are water and carbon dio
45 Texdravid : This is America, and people have the right to drive what they want to. I know some of you are against SUV's because of the supposed environmental effe
46 Captaingomes : Why another person wants to spew their nonesense without looking at facts is beyond me. Texdravid, or anybody else with a similar argument, will you s
47 N229NW : You can have a "right" without it being a good or moral decision. A lot would be solved if we taxed gasoline and charged closer to European prices fo
48 Post contains images Boeing Nut : Wow, and I thought A vs B threads got heated! The facts are that one, no american (or otherwise) wants to be told what they can or cannot drive, and f
49 Pilottj : I may get flamed for this but you know, I don't seem to recall reading a constitutional amendment regarding anything about the right to drive a vehicl
50 CORULEZ05 : "Land Rover LR3, Discovery, Range Rover" Imports?....those aren't imports......Ford Motor Company makes them. I personally dont like the Hummer but my
51 Flight152 : Imports?....those aren't imports. They are still built and designed in England, then imported to the United States, who owns them is irrelevant.
52 SJUboeingGirl : Here in PR people loveee Hummers ! I don't know how they park those SUV"s!!!
53 Aa777flyer : The only problem with this tax of up to $700.00 is that if you have the $50,000+ to spend on one of these SUV's, that extra tax nor $2.00 and up gas i
54 TriStarEnvy : What I find funny, really, is that 30 years ago, or so, at the height of the first gas crisis, no one ever suggested legislation against full size CAR
55 Post contains images Superfly : TriStarEnvy: So why did the federal government intact CAFE laws? Why does my 1977 Lincoln have enough vacuum and smog devices that can stretch from SF
56 TriStarEnvy : D'oh!!!! I forgot CAFE!!!! Right you are, Mr. 'Fly! (I'll buy the first round, for that horrific gaffe) Part of the reason, I believe, that the 90's b
57 Post contains images Superfly : TriStarEnvy: And the 71-76 GM "clamshells" beat the snot out of ANY SUV for looks! Gimmie a '71, in gold w/wood paneling, any day! Agreed! Notice the
58 GuitrThree : Superfly, Man, that Custom is one sweet hooptie, but now come on... how true can an ad be when dude shows up on the job site with the family wood-gra
59 Post contains images TriStarEnvy : Or how about this? From stationwagon.com
60 Post contains images Superfly : GuitrThree: Carol Brady drove the 1971 Plymouth Satellite Regent Station Wagon while Michael Brady had switched various muscle car convertibles. I am
61 TriStarEnvy : And I once owned a near clone to the Mike Brady Caprice convertible for the 1972-1973 season. My friends in college all referred to it as "The Bradymo
62 Post contains images Superfly : TriStarEnvy: My all time favorite Cheverolet would be the 1975 Caprice convertible. It has to be all white, white interior and white top. Then you get
63 TriStarEnvy : 'Fly, you'd have cried like a baby at the '75 I saw for sale at an auction in Tampa a few years back. White/black vinyl and top/wires/slightly wider w
64 Post contains images Superfly : $20K? That is a lot of money! It's interesting that the equivallent Pontiac Grandville, Oldsmobile Delta 88 and Buick LeSabres would sell for less eve
65 Post contains links GuitrThree : I'll tell you what... my family had the ULTIMATE Wagon... Top this: 1972 Pale Yellow Chrysler Town & Country "Woody" Engine: 440, 4 barrel Options: Th
66 Post contains images TriStarEnvy : This car had never ventured far from it's home. Looked like it just came from the factory. There was a similar '75, that was baby blue that had about
67 PHLBOS : Speaking of legislation directed against BIG CARS. Wasn't Maryland the same state that, a few years ago, attempted a similar tax measure towards large
68 Post contains images Saxdiva : The first car I remember riding around in: My brother and I could play catch between the back seat and the far back by the tailgate. He had quite the
69 TriStarEnvy : And that second wave of downsizing, had it fully happened to ALL divisions, might have been disasterous for GM. The 77-79 "B" and "C" were the right c
70 PHLBOS : You and nearly everyone else. It was an ad for a 1985 Lincoln Town Car. Although Cadillac later launched a rebuttal ad for its RWD Fleetwood Brougham
71 Superfly : Saxdiva: How can you and your saxophone fit in that? That is a sweet Pontiac wagon. GuitrThree: That seek & scan feature is neat to watch on the old a
72 PilotJmartin : I think if you want a car or SUV you have the right to buy one, I think people should subsidize vehicles for the RIGHT PURPOSE! We leased our Hummer H
73 TriStarEnvy : Man, I'd sign up right now for one of those SMART cars, and trade in my Pontiac Azt...uh...um....My Pontiac SUV for it! Sadly I'd probably die seconds
74 Post contains images Okie : The main problem I have with my H2 is not gas mileage. Those Echo's and Primus's keep getting caught up in the fender wells and you have to carry a pr
75 Superfly : PilotJmartin: Dude did you read any post here? You are the 3rd. person in this thread to make the same clueless remark about people being able to affo
76 Post contains images Saxdiva : Superfly, No problem at all putting a sax in that--it just goes in the passenger seat. My bari fits nicely in the front seat of the Z-3 (though not in
77 Post contains images Superfly : Tristarenvy, the way I see it, *someone* has to take the lead on this.... Saxdiva, the problem is once hybrids catch on, that bastard (Arnold) will fi
78 Post contains images Saxdiva : One of my graphic guys had one of those, in bright yellow. It's cool, but not 18-24 mpg isn't exactly what I had in mind. If I'm gonna get a Ford to
79 PilotJmartin : Superfly I agree with what your saying, I dont think I said anything about Environmentalists but thats okay. All I was saying is that I hate it when p
80 PHLBOS : The question of all questions here is, "What kind of vehicles do these so-called environmentalists drive?" Back when they were condemning large cars,
81 Post contains images Boeing Nut : First of all, it's spelled Prius. And IMO, anyone that owns a derivative of a military vehicle has either waaaay to much money on their hands or is t
82 Post contains images Superfly : PilotJmartin: Sorry if I've seem to come down on you rather hard. I just had to point out that the anti-SUV movement has nothing to do with envy. PHLB
83 PHLBOS : The family guy/housewife sigma that seemed associated with it. Remember the scenes from National Lampoon's Vacation of Christie Brinkley in a Lamborg
84 Scbriml : Hummer H2 = Pimpmobile
85 Superfly : I rememebr seeing a mid-1980s Dodge Caravan with the 2.2 Turbo engine with a trailer hitch on that back. The first thing I said to myself was; "what
86 TriStarEnvy : Stupid computer locked up, and PHLBOS pretty much said what I was going to! Minivans were just "different", that's why they became so popular, so fast
87 Superfly : Any chance of a wagon on the LS platform? They should do one exclusively for Mercury.
88 TriStarEnvy : Indeed! As Europe will get a Magnum with a grafted on Chrysler 300 front clip, seems to me that Ford could do likewise and maybe graft the LS nose to
89 Superfly : Mr. Lutz is the token 'car guy' at GM that is carted out once in awhile for press releases of a concept car that will never go in to production. Unti
90 Post contains images N229NW : How many people actually use their large SUVs for towing, I ask again... Answer is a VERY small percent. (And for those that use it for that once ever
91 Superfly : Funny you mention that. If you have ever driven Interstate 80 going to Reno/Tahoe during a snow storm, all the vehicles you see stuck in the ditches
92 Post contains images TriStarEnvy : There is ONE invincible SUV, The Grand Mac Daddy of 'Em ALL!!!!
93 Post contains images Superfly : Damn right! International Scout and Travelall ***WARNING*** These are actual SUV intended for off road duties. DO NOT attept this with a SUV Lexus, M
94 PHLBOS : Remember their old slogan? Anything else is just a car.
95 Post contains images TriStarEnvy : And slap a Diesel in a 1980 Scout II and man have you got...uh...one slow truck... (Voted Motor Trend Magazine's "Slowest 0 to 60 test" in 1980) As lo
96 Superfly : That is ringing a bell. Our neighbors back in Gary, IN had one as well as a Bricklyn.
97 TriStarEnvy : OMG, I almost bought a well worn Bricklin in 1982, as the woman who had it for sale thought it was a "kit car".... She wanted $100 for it. It needed w
98 Superfly : TriStarEnvy: Well what stopped you? Please don't tell us you bought a Fuego insted!
99 Kieron747 : Ha! Excellent quote! There have been several discussions on England, especially the major cities about these bloody people who drive massive off-road
100 TriStarEnvy : HAHAHAHAH! A 1981 Ford EXP! Was a dirt poor college student. I managed to get some cash from my mom, after spending an hour explaining WHAT it was. W
101 PHLBOS : Actually, the first EXPs/LN7s were 1982 models; although they came out early enough to be '81 1/2s.
102 TriStarEnvy : Since Superfly knows of my love of the odd and bizzare of the auto world, I will admit that I actually liked the EXP/LN-7 cousins. The LN's bubble bac
103 PHLBOS : Don't forget the Renault LeCar; or should I say LeJunk. The doors were paper thin on that car. My high school track and cross-country coach drove one
104 TriStarEnvy : A friend and co-worker of mine earned my respect for sharing a story of how he out witted the Phoenix Police while driving a clapped out LeCar! Now, T
105 PHLBOS : At the time, what type of car was the Phoenix Police department driving? In the early '80s, many local departments expirimented using 6-cylinder Fair
106 TriStarEnvy : You just made Superfly drool.
107 Post contains images Superfly : Now that is one awesome story! Intersting you mention the Ford EXP. My neighbor back in Gary bought an EXP as his everyday car. The Bricklyn was just
108 Sovietjet : SUVs are stupid but alot of their drivers are even stupider. Fine, buy a damn H2 but for everyone's sake learn how to drive it and stop thinking you c
109 TriStarEnvy : 'Fly, that's a great story. Before Mrs. TriStarEnvy became my better half, she had a knack for buying b-a-d cars. She had an EXP, and one of those Gaw
110 Post contains images Superfly : TriStarEnvy: Hey watch it, I like those late 1970s Sunbirds. Keep in mind, for the 1976 model year only, GM did offer the 350cu" V8 with those so they
111 Post contains images TriStarEnvy : The Sunbird's cool, it's those "Sky"bird and "Red"bird FIREBIRD's that are scary. The kookie decal for the car was odd. Like an ill peacock... I gotta
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