Zone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1034 posts, RR: 7 Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1453 times:
In this month's edition of Popular Mechanics, they have a well written and investigated article on all the 9/11 myths that have been floating around since that horrible day. Everyone should check it out here. They separate each myth into crash site, and investigated the myths that pop up here every once and awhile, including a missile hit the pentagon, and the Government blew up the World Trade Center.
Dan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1271 times:
Aye, I remember Phil, Phil Jayhan. How could I forget, just search for "Mcghee" in his forums, they use my name as a phrase to describe "Debunkers", I love it.
Oh, that assholes response to the article:
Quote: Welcome Popular Mechanics readers, you've just read a psychological hit piece designed to shield you from the truth, as you will find out our claims and evidence are much more substantial then PM would like for you to believe. Please spend some time here to examine the real facts of this very important matter that we are all concerned about. But first off, please see all the pictures and video that Popular Mechanics was afraid to show you, as it would work against their agenda. Also notice that they didn't even provide a link back here, in order to help 'shield you' from the truth. But we know that the readers of PM magazine are a lot smarter than PM's Sanhedrin of contributors and editors give them credit for.
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Kieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1178 times:
Well, to be honest until I saw the Popular Mechanic article, and then read the conspiracy article (letsroll911.org) to which it related, I wasn't quite aware at how much conspiracy theory lay behind September 11th.
I had heard a few crazy theories, but after reading that insane article, and simply doing a google search on the matter, I was completely shocked.
I respect absolutely that people have a right to air their opinions and that freedom of speech is paramount, but come on, I can't believe what some of these fools of spouting!
Passenger planes with no passenger windows, laser guided missiles attached to a 767s wings, explosives bringing down the towers, mysterious white planes, dodgy seismographs, impact holes not being big enough!!! Oh, the list is endless!
Personally, although I'm not a total fan of the US government, lets be realistic here. In my opinion it only takes an ounce of common sense to see what happened. Now who was responsible for the whole affair, is a different matter, but saying that the US military or government did this... Come on!
The people that believe this must be thicker than the conspiracy fuelled beer-goggles that they're obviously wearing.
As a teenager, I'll admit, I was into conspiracy theories, Roswell, Area 51 and all that crap. Those were simply childish interests after watching too many episodes of the X-Files.
In my humble opinion, this kind of talk about September 11th is both childish, and extremely disrespectful to the people who died on that day, and perhaps even more to the people who lost friends, family members or indeed anyone dear to them.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13602 posts, RR: 63 Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1159 times:
Do these people have an idea how much very visible work is involved in preparing a highrise building for a controlled demolition? The WTC was built on a framework of steel pillars and girders. Each of them would have to be cut with cutting charges, plus the concrete elevator and infrastructure shafts would have had to be drilled with thousands of holes for the charges. Each charge would have to be detonated in sequence with a seperate delayed electric blasting cap. For installing the cutting charges they need to be in direct contact with the steel beams, for this the fireproofing material would have to be removed big scale. You´ll have thousands of charges, each connected to each other with a huge spider web of electric wires and det cord.
Usually the building gets completely cleaned out, e.g. all non weight carrying walls, pipes and other structure in the blasting zone gets removed, because it can deflect the collapsing building from it´s planned path down.
Preparing a big building for a controlled collapse takes months in calculating and months in preparation.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to do something like this without the people working inside noticing.
I blew up a simple 130 metre steel transmission tower in Berlin years ago and the planning took me two weeks, though in the end I only used two shaped charges of 0,5 kg PETN each.
I also did the planning for an industrial smoke stack of 75 metres built of bricks and masonry. Bringing down a smokestack in a desired direction is a bit like felling a tree, esentially you´ll break two slots into the smokestack with jack hammers, each one times the wall thickness wide and two wall thicknesses high at 1/3 (rear side of the slots) of the circumfence, the center of the long 2/3 being the direction of the fall. Then you´ll drill holes in a pattern to remove all masonry on the 2/3 side between the slots with the explosives., which you´ll blow up in sequence starting from the centre outwards (time between the explosion of each borehole charge about 20-30 milliseconds).
This will leave the smokestack to stand on the remaing 1/3 of it´s wall. The reasom why you cut the slots by hand is that their rear walls form the hinge over which the smokestack collapses and you want a clean cut. If you blow them out, there is the danger of the rear edges becoming irregular, which could throw the tower from it´s planned line of fall. Most industrial smokestacks are double walled, they have a thin (usually one brick thickeness) liner inside to keep corrosive gases away from the load bearing outer walls. Usually you´ll smash this liner just before the detonation of the charges in the outer liner with one linear charge placed around it on the level of the big cutout.
There the planning took me about three weeks, even though it was a straightforward demolition. You´ll also remove access ladder, external reinforcement rings and lightning rods before the blast, because they can deflect the fall.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7716 posts, RR: 17 Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1113 times:
I suscribe to PM and had read the article, which covered the major theories in pretty good detail.
What amuses me about most of these conspiracy theories (the Apollo hoax ones are also pretty good in that regard) is that they represent a complete misunderstanding of some basic laws of physics and common sense. The notion that a 757 would leave a plane shaped hole in the side of a building is just one of those laughable things.
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Boeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1078 times:
It just goes to show you that if people are absolutley convinced of something, even if it is the farthest thing from the truth, they will believe it 'til thier dying day. I just don't understand how educated people can believe this tripe.
DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11443 posts, RR: 78 Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1063 times:
There was a television show the other day that debunked the conspiracy theories about the Apollo landings, showing how each of the "proofs" used by the whackjobs to "prove" that the landings were filmed on a soundstage were false.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13602 posts, RR: 63 Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1030 times:
Well, as Erich von Däniken stated, all human technology was brought to us by flying saucers, which landed in the Peruvian desert, where they have those giant engravings in the desert floor. Us humans are simply too stupid to invent something.
It is just like the current conspiracy theories, that the American nuclear bombs in WW2 were not built by the hundreds of scientists and engineers in Los Alamos, but that they came to America by submarine from the Germans.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7716 posts, RR: 17 Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 938 times:
Oh, does anybody have extra aluminum foil, I ran out while lining the walls and ceiling of my apartment.
The thing is, really good conspiracy theories need to have some shred of plausibility. But those are few and far between. And while I know that the world's governments, MNCs, and other large organizations are certainly capable of doing pretty nefarious things... to the degree that some of these conspiracy theorists sumise is pretty far-fetched. There is a certain point where other agendas, like profit, trump outright evilness. Sort of like the first Austin Power's movie.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
PROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5522 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 922 times:
Quoting DesertJets (reply 14): The thing is, really good conspiracy theories need to have some shred of plausibility. But those are few and far between. And while I know that the world's governments, MNCs, and other large organizations are certainly capable of doing pretty nefarious things... to the degree that some of these conspiracy theorists sumise is pretty far-fetched. There is a certain point where other agendas, like profit, trump outright evilness. Sort of like the first Austin Power's movie.
You are correct, but there's another factor when we're dealing with conspiracy theories involving tragic events. In some cases the truth is just too hard for some people to accept, and imagining a big conspiracy behind the events makes them less disturbing. Two examples will show what I mean.
JFK's assassination has been prime conspiracy territory for over 40 years because it's very difficult to come to the realization that one dim-witted loser could have murdered a beloved leader. If we think that it was the FBI or the Mafia or the CIA or whomever that really killed JFK, it doesn't seem quite so disturbing. 9/11 is the same thing on a much larger scale. It's not easy to accept that fact that 19 Arabs with box-cutters, taking orders from some guy lived in a cave, could have killed 3,000 Americans and caused billions in property damage all by themselves - why, there must have been some sort of government conspiracy at work!
"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
Ushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2932 posts, RR: 17 Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 916 times:
This still does not satisfy me 100%.
"On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes."
Because if that were the case, then I am sure that fighters would have been flying over DC all day, until there was evidence that no plane was missing anymore. Or maybe I am just giving the Air Force/Air National Guard too much credit...
DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11443 posts, RR: 78 Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 901 times:
Jan....everyone knows that the German nukes went to the secret base in Antarctica where the Nazis took Hitler and Eva Braun to put them on ice until the new Reich could be established in South America where Mengele and others were testing clones of Hitler to form the new Army.
Luckily for us Olivier and Steve Guttenberg broke up the plot and the Antarctic base was destroyed when things got weird and crewmembers began killing each other after finding a stray dog wandering around a burning research base near their hidden location.
SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 69 Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 903 times:
Quoting MD11Engineer (reply 13): Well, as Erich von Däniken stated, all human technology was brought to us by flying saucers, which landed in the Peruvian desert, where they have those giant engravings in the desert floor. Us humans are simply too stupid to invent something.
I've always loved the Nazca Lines story. Here we have those extraterrestrials who have the knowledge and technology to fly a zillion gigaparsecs across the cosmos to Earth but could not land without our scratching some lines in the desert. I guess we have them to thank for the Titanic, the Tacoma Narrows bridge the St. Francis Dam and the Challenger O-rings.
If you want a conspiracy just read the tax code!
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