FLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15166 times:
Hey, a friend of mine/girl I like is flying FLL-ATL on Friday for a cheerleading competition. I will only see her tomorrow (unless I ask her out and go to dinner that night and take her to the airport the next day...fat chance) and I don't know the flight number...so my question is are any of the Elton/XM planes flying on the FLL-ATL route on Friday...and if anyone knows the ATL-FLL route on monday?
If yes, do you have any info on how the XM system works and if there is a fee or anything? I'm trying to impress her!
I looked at AirTran.com and they do not have Friday's flights listed yet.
GroundStop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15099 times:
As far as the XM service, it is free. We charge $2 for headphones which you can keep. Tell her to bring her own. Its extremely simple to use. Theres a volume control and a channel control. You can browse through the channels by category until you find what you want. Its pretty neat. Now as far as the aircraft routing, there are only 2 aircraft doing the 'Elton Tour' on Friday, and neither of them pass through FLL. That being said, there are 10 planes now with Elton on the side and FLL is a fairly good-sized station for us so one will likely pass through. I don't have the advance routings for you yet but I'll check again tomorrow and see if I can get you any information.
FLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15096 times:
Thanks buddy! Hey, any fun facts about AirTran that I can pass along...I really want to impress her! She knows I like her and she has a boyfriend, but what the hell...I won't get anywhere in life unless I take a risk!
FLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15082 times:
That is interesting, but not what I'm looking for. Remember, I'm trying to get a girl, not teach a history lesson!
Lets see, maybe something that involves her trip. What are you serving nowadays? Which flights are 737 on the FLL-ATL run? Any cool articles in the magazine? (Like she'll be reading it)
Oh, and just a warning to any Atlantans in the GWCC area and downtown. THERE WILL BE AN INVASION OF CHEERLEADERS FRIDAY-MONDAY FOR THE CHEERSPORT NATIONALS! PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND WHILE YOU ARE IN DOWNTOWN!
I think I'll hook her up with some cool Atlanta ideas...I don't need help, I lived there for a long time. How's The Varsity nowadays? Still good?
Zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15081 times:
Your cheerleader friend is more than welcome to travel with us to BWI
I meet the last terminator flight from FLL to BWI flight 494. Tell her best of luck in her competition. BTW, one of the Baltimore Raven's cheerleaders is a regular customer with us! Regarding the chances of an Elton John XM bird; chances are slim that day but, there is always the chance of a last minute tail swap so, I would never say never. For impressing this young lady, if available, or business class seats are $35.00 each leg (FLL-ATL) and another $35.00 from (ATL-FLL). Encourage her to check in on our online check in anywhere from 90 minutes to 24 hours before her flight. Loads are heavy due to President's Day weekend and many folk up north get what's called winter break. Any A or C seat up to row 27 are good seats. If you take her to the airport, try to leave early and take a picture of her while doing some spotting.
Cheerleaders and airplanes brings a smile to my face.
Njdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 716 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 15021 times:
Picking up my girlfriend in Orlando a couple weeks ago saw 3 planes come in full of cheerleaders before hers.... I was impressed being a young college student...i didn't mind her flight being an hour late haha.
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4784 posts, RR: 17 Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14904 times:
Dude, I think it's great that you're doing this, but unless she's more than a little unusual for a cheerleader, she most likely, as you say, considers flying a way to get from here to there. You want to know about the flight from her, because you like talking/hearing about details like that. You also want to find a way to use your aviation knowledge, interest, and contacts to stand out with her. Good idea, but I personally think that this will be counterproductive if your real goal is some kind of relationship with her. People who already travel already have routines that are personal to them, about how they pack, how they check-in, and what they do on the plane, and these routines give them comfort and it's not enjoyable to deviate from them. You don't want to make her into a detail-sniffer for you, because that will make you seem like a geek/bother/annoyance, and you don't want to meddle with her routine and her expections/plans/fantasies about this trip.
So, you've gotta look at the big picture here. She's travelling with her friends/teammates. She's going to some sort of competition. The exciting things about the trip for her will be her friends and the competition. At her age, fitting in with and being admired by her friends (and, well, everybody) is going to be right at the top of her agenda. What happens on this trip in terms of social interaction and performance at the competition will be what she wants to tell you about, not what model of plane she flew, what its tail number was, whether it had XM or not, what gate it left from or went to, how the luggage service was (unless it totally sucked and she's complaining about it), how comfortable the seats were, how fresh-smelling the 717 was because it had 100% fresh air, how smooth the flight was, what approach/runway they used, what the captain said, or whether she got the whole can of soda. None of this interests the average cheerleader or, frankly, most people who aren't obsessed with aviation or are working in aviation. If she was travelling to meet you, you might make her feel cared about by upgrading her (I've done that for dates, who are of course appreciative). But she's not travelling to see you. She's travelling with her friends. She'd be potentially embarassed, uncomfortable, or otherwise thrown off by an upgrade, because she wants to be in the center of the social scene with her friends, not separated from them. Likewise, she'd be embarrased or uncomfortable by any cockpit announcement or other thing that any airline employee says that singles out her or (worse) you in front of her friends.
If you want her to like you, here's the most basic tip of all: when she gets back, be a good listener, about the stuff that SHE wants to talk about. I guarantee you from long experience that it won't be about anything to do with the details of the flight, or other aviation-related things that most interest you. But SHE interests you. Probably more than aviation. So, you LISTEN to what SHE wants to talk about, and you ask good questions about that. "Good questions" are questions that prompt her to keep talking about the stuff that she wants to talk about, not the details that you want to know about. Usually, all it takes is a "Wow! That's great!" or "Oh, that sucks", followed either by a "what happened then", "What did so and so say/think/do about that", or, most importantly, "How did that make you FEEL?". These are good prompting questions that show that you're listening and let her continue to talk. The basic point is that most people who are considered to be fascinating conversationalists are people who often don't say all that much, but rather laugh with people, get them to talk about themselves or what they like doing, and, most importantly, make them feel good about themselves. Sadly, very little of this has to do with the details of the flight that we want to know about. Save that for someone else.
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4784 posts, RR: 17 Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14839 times:
Call her tonight: Brrrrring. "Hello?" "Hey, Buffy, it's FLAirport. Just wanted to wish you good luck and a good trip. This has got to be really exciting!" Then listen, because she'll clue you in as to whether she wants to talk more. Either she'll say, "Uh, yeah. Thanks," which is your clue to breezily and confidently say, "Well, I'm sure you've got a lot of last minute things to do, but I'd love to hear all about your trip when you get back. Take it easy." "Uh, thanks. Bye." Click. [This will leave her saying to herself, "Well, he seemed pretty cool and confident, and I'll have someone to tell all about this when I get back."] OR, she'll say something like, "Ohmygosh, FLAirport, I'm so NERVOUS/EXCITED/CONFUSED/DREADING/THRILLED about this trip." That's your clue to say, "Oh, I'm SURE. But/And I know you're going to have a great time." (Then let her talk.)
FLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14781 times:
Oh great...I found out what flight she was on and overdid the flight tracking....
so, I told her best friend, also a friend of mine...who started to give me the whole creepy speech..."you know she's already scared of you" (great, just what I need)
And to add insult to injury, I just made it worse by giving her friend every detail. I thought i had fixed that little rift by saying that I do this for all my friends (which I really do)....I thought she would have been interested in where her best friend was.
So, now on Monday I've got to come clean to her. Tell her I did track her flight...but for my entertainment and not because she was on it. Then strike up a conversation about Atlanta and then tell her i like her. Monday will be hell for me!
And btw, her flight was an hour late, so she will complain.
CORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14736 times:
if you REALLY want to impress her....book her first class on a legacy carrier....now THAT would win you big points but dude, what the hell...she has a bf....dont waste your time.....more fish in the ocean...GO FISHING!
FLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14709 times:
Well, I'm not looking foward to talking to her tomorrow...as the famous line is: "ya got some splainin to do!" And that's what I gotta do. Undo the wrong with a complex explaination and then tell her what I think of her. and then hope for the best.
Any chance of flight 79 today or 73 or 77 tomorrow with XM?
And I have made a vow: I WILL NEVER TRACK A FLIGHT AGAIN FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!!!! I'VE LEARNED MY LESSON!
Alright stalker, move on. Seriously, if her friend said that to you. Give it Up Don't make the girl feel uncomfortable. Here is an idea, don't contact her when she gets back, not in school, not on the phone, not on email. If she values your friendship at all, she will contact you asking if everything is alright. And if she does'nt, you will see where you stood with her all along. Move On
I see Dr. Phil is a member on this board using the name Wjcandee, and his advice is good. But you will have to chalk this one up as a loss this time. Call it a learning experience, or the one that got away. Use his advice with a girl who is not currently seeing another guy and shows the same interest in you.
Quoting FLAIRPORT (reply 21): Well, I'm not looking foward to talking to her tomorrow...as the famous line is: "ya got some splainin to do!" And that's what I gotta do. Undo the wrong with a complex explaination and then tell her what I think of her. and then hope for the best.
You can try to spin dry it any way you like, but if she comes back and says "ya got some splainin to do!" (she will trap you into a corner with no way out and no explaination will work to save you) you will lose her friendship as well and might possibly get your ass kicked by her boyfriend. This will not be the first girl you will not get in life, you are young, don't dwell on this one too long.
Quoting FLAIRPORT (reply 21): Any chance of flight 79 today or 73 or 77 tomorrow with XM?
Once again, don't worry about it, you are still in highschool, there is more than 1 cheerleader on the squad. If that is what you are looking for, aim for a single one. If not, hook up with a nerd in your class, someone who has potential to be successful and rich in life. Let her be your Sugar Momma
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4784 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14652 times:
I'll echo AAL. I wouldn't totally give up on her, but AAL is right that you probably want to chill a bit over the next couple of days. See, when people start retreating a bit from a person, sometimes our tendency is to ratchet it up even more, which seems to be your plan.
Unfortunately, that makes them swim further away. A friend once used a fishing analogy. I don't really fish, but I understand his point. His feeling is that you have to "set the hook", then "let the drag out". In other words, you don't pull hard on the string, you let the fish swim wherever it wants. Otherwise, if you try immediately to yank on the line really hard, the fish will "spit the hook". At the moment, if the hook is even a bit set, you've got to let the drag out all the way. Especially because you obviously have the problem of her "friends" trying to pry the hook loose with both hands. Respectfully, these are immature teenage girls, and you have to recognize that their feelings change from moment to moment, which is actually to your benefit. But I'd lay off the telling her you like her. She's already figured that out. Let it be unsaid, because the only reason for saying it is to try to prompt her to say it back, which at this point she won't. You have to let her come to the decision that she likes you on her own, and say it on her own. Don't tell her anything about your feelings. It will be counterproductive.
We've all been in the position where we pushed too hard too fast and they spit the hook. It isn't the end of the world, or of the relationship. The "creepy, stalker" thing is just a way for little girls to create drama, and no big explanation is going to help you recover from that. (That's because there's NO WAY that these girls will understand the fun of watching a flight on which someone you care about is riding. You and I both know that it can be fun -- but NO cheerleader in the world will EVER get it. It involves technology. It involves monitoring. The more you explain how cool it is, the more they will say "stalker". Because they need drama.) So...YOU'VE got to be cool, and don't really explain it in full. First of all, if she confronts you with it, blow it off: "Pfft. I just looked to see if your flight was on time, just like I'm sure your parents did." "But, FLAirport, why would you care?" "Well, you know I know a lot about aviation, and I was curious if Airtran was doing its job." (See, then it's about the airline -- bewildering to her but okay -- rather than about her -- incomprehensible to her.) If she doesn't raise the subject, there's no reason for you to say anything about it. Stick to the "How was your trip?" plan that we discussed earlier. If she doesn't call you immediately, don't call her. If she's your friend, which I assume means that she talks to you, then that means that she likes talking to you, even though her friends don't get you. And if she likes talking to you, in a day or two or three or four or five, she will. And you need to wait for that to be HER decision. Or you will blow it.
The great irony about teenage relationships (and a lot of adult relationships) is that the more one side pushes, the more the other side retreats. The game is always about making it be *their* idea to take a step, whereupon you offer just a whiff of acceptance. A brief example: In high school, I really liked this girl, who was a friend. She liked me, but dated somebody else. Then we went off to different colleges. She asked me to come up for a friendly visit. I went, expecting nothing but vaguely hopeful. I spent the weekend being a tad aloof, but certainly very solicitous. When we did group things with her new roommates, I made her look good to her roommates by telling them wonderful stories about how great she had been in high school. And I spent a lot of time listening to her privately telling me about all of her concerns about this and that. She, of course, was used to me making her feel good about herself; I'm sure that it was that she was craving a comforting presence that motivated her to call me for a visit. Her roommates, by the way, were brilliant and gorgeous -- something that I really didn't pay attention to because I was focused on her. Because I delivered pretty much what she expected, my trip really did nothing to advance anything with her. But we had fun. What I didn't really notice all weekend was that one of her roommates was showing all sorts of signs of interest in me, something that I also missed because I was focusing on my friend. On the last night, the roommate just literally threw herself at me, with a passion and depth that I had not theretofore experienced upon knowing someone so briefly. Why? Because by building up and supporting my friend, and making her look good to others, I looked to her roommates to be a REALLY GREAT GUY. They thought that she was NUTS for never having dated me, and one of them wasn't going to let me just disappear after the weekend. There were some logistical problems (like a four hour trip) to the resulting relationship, but it was one that I still look back fondly upon. The moral here is that if you are a good guy, and act like it without trying too hard, somebody is going to notice. And if it isn't this girl, there may well be somebody better right in the same corral.
Oh, yeah. Her friends are not your friends. Don't share anything remotely private, like how you really feel about her, with them, just interact primarily with her. The information that they give you is a day or week old, which means that it's probably totally wrong. And whatever you tell them will get back to her, probably in a form far far away from what you said. And remember something that politicians know: never answer directly or responsively a question that you don't like, and don't repeat the loaded parts of the question. To wit, "I heard that you were electronically monitoring her and she's ready to get a restraining order." "Oh, that's silly. Everything's fine." (Rather than, "I did not monitor her electronically. I just used the Flyecomm computerized flight tracking system to watch her particular flight, its altitude direction, speed. I do it all the time. And I haven't heard ANYTHING about a restraing order. Really.") See, it's better to just in a few works shut the whole thing down without really discussing it. They're not entitled, really, to ask. So don't give them any kind of response that doesn't make you look good, and above all this fray.
Okay, enough Dr. Phil. After a long time of interacting with people, I can say for sure that there's always another relationship right around the corner, and the ones I have had have ALWAYS been better than the last one. It's called learning. And growing. And it keeps going until you become very, very old.
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4784 posts, RR: 17 Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14650 times:
Woah. I missed the part about that she has a boyfriend. That makes this a longer-term proposition. You really, really need to let the drag out. Everything that I said is still valid, I think, but it's a longer-term proposition, and it definitely requires that you not tell her that you like her. She knows that, and it's up to her over the next little while to decide that, because you are so cool and such a good listener and make her feel good about herself, that she needs that from you.
All the best,
Who counsels strongly against any 'splainin.
25 Airlinelover: Dude.. You screwed up 100% . .. Give it up, don't even talk to her unless she talks to you now.... If she comes back and yells or bitches at you, take
26 GOCAPS16: Sorry dude, now she thinks your a stalker....just forget about her....besides, what if she tells her boyfriend about this....better find a good hiding
27 FLAIRPORT: Stereotype...she's not like that...SHE'S IN HONORS CLASSES! not true...in the past few weeks I have gotten close to her best friend (also hott and wi
28 FLAIRPORT: Her flight landed (or at least I'm persuming it is her flight) and I didn't realize I had missed it until 10 minutes later. Too bad, I was going to wa
29 A319114: And I thought Airliners.net was about aviation
30 Ihadapheo: OK a couple of comments here... First I may be an old man of 42 but I do have vauge (but quite happy) memories of being 17. Trust me on this one if a
31 Wjcandee: Dude...I'm reading your posts and it's clear that what I'm saying is not sinking in. So I will say it bluntly: RELAX!!! You DON'T have to talk to her
32 GOCAPS16: Dude man, Listen to Bill. He's the best person you got right now to help you with this situation instead of seeking professional help. Well, I think y
33 Airlinelover: So what happened? Did her boyfriend give you an all expenses paid trip to the ER yet? Chris
34 GOCAPS16: Let me tell you a story, FLAirport. When I was in high school, I knew a girl I had classes with...I was a sophomore, and she was a junior. Her and her
35 AAFLT1871: Stalker!!! Am I the only one who hears the Twilight Zone theme playing in my head when I read his replies? Well, we have had the official rollout for
36 Travatl: TWO Things: A) You asked if the Varisty was still good. I lived a block from the Varsity for 3 years, and it was NEVER good. B) Could we maybe move th
37 Wjcandee: Hey, Trav, it's a diversion and a chance to do a nice thing for a young aviation buff that likes to contribute to this forum. Besides, the whole ordea
38 FLAIRPORT: Ok...mods, please either move this or archive it. I'd like to say that I did not talk to her today...but only because I couldn't. I was stuck in reher
39 Wjcandee: Sigh. Well, different people learn in different ways. You, my friend, will learn by negative reinforcement. Me, I'll be thinking of you when I watch S
40 Airlinelover: Don't delete or archive it yet.. Not till he tells us what happens! CHris
41 Hawk44: Dude let me tell you this I have been in your spot a few years ago and I know it's not fun but everybody has this happen. You need to put the brakes o
42 Airlinelover: so, it's almost wednesday!! WHat happened! Chris
43 Asteriskceo: What's her email addy? I'll be happy to foward this topic to her. Then she'll like you!
44 CactusA319: Damn I didn't even see this thread until now. I doubt FLAIRPORT (I never realized it was FL-Airport, I always read it as flair-port. Now it makes sens
45 Airlinelover: Cactus A319- (same here with his SN) If he took the advice of us "older, wiser, non-virgins" then maybe he'd get somewhere.. (he needs to ignore CORUL
46 GOCAPS16: I bet the kid got slapped or something, poor kid...it's not the end of the world, F--L--A--I--R--P--O--R--T but you never know, if he got laid by her,
47 Kieron747: Hi Whats exactly does 'tracking her flight mean' Like on the internet? Or something else? And anyways, if I knew that some guy had 'been tracking my g
48 767Lover: I don't understand why guys think they have a chance with someone who ALREADY HAS a boyfriend. If the girl can be that easily "lured" to be with someo
49 NWA Man: Oh, definitely some classic lines on here. My two cents - dude, focus this energy on another lady. One of my friends has this great line - "there's al
50 Delta767300ER: I have seen some shit in my 7+ years in the online aviation community, but this is by far the worst case I have ever seen! First of all he should not
51 Airlinelover: Well. It just so happens I know some people in the FLL area who KNOW Mr. Flairport, and who also know this girl who he likes, and last but not least h
52 FLAIRPORT: hey...good news! I din't talk to her...but mainly because we have both been really busy in the past week with our play. However, I have tried and when
53 Delta767300ER: Thats funny that she hated Atlanta. Atlanta is a kick ass town. So has her boyfriend came knocking on your door w/ a baseball bat yet? -Delta767300ER
54 FLAIRPORT: well, Delta767300ER, at least it's one more thing her and I have in common. It seems a lot of cheerleaders from South Florida hate Atlanta. Hmmm.... I
55 GOCAPS16: Ya know what...I bet her boyfriend is over 18...probably in college or in the military. I know alot of junior guys in the military who dates girls fro
56 Airlinelover: I did notice that when she and him were walking to his car they weren't holding hands or caressing or kissing or anything and if anything the boy look
57 NWA Man: I think this is "Femalese" for "don't call her anymore, stalker".[Edited 2005-02-25 08:01:15]
58 Delta767300ER: FLAirport, I dont care if a lot of cheerleaders from So Fla hate Atlanta. Cheerleaders suck anyway. I do have a question though.....What would she thi
59 FLAIRPORT: He goes to my school I don't have her number I think she'd say...wow, I never knew you cared that much! and then a conversation would begin... Ok, sh
60 GOCAPS16: Go get her, stalker. What is this now?......your 10th victim? Kevin
61 Captoveur: This thread needs pics... Lets see the girl
62 Airlinelover: We want pics.. First and foremost- the girl. 2 or 3 would be good Second, the look on your face when she tells you to feff off.. Anyway, let us know w
63 GOCAPS16: This would be her after she found out about FLAIRPORT... And this would be FLAIRPORT... Better yet, here's FLAIRPORT trying to impress the girl.... [E
64 Airlinelover: And here's her BF about to whack FLAIRPORT.. Chris
65 FLAIRPORT: Chris' picture is the only one that is even close to the situation. I just hope her boyfriend doesn't come to the show! He tends not to be a theater p
66 Delta767300ER: Yo FLAIRPORT, Maybe being a stalker works. I might have to try that...NOT. Keep us posted and remember, we will visit you in the Broward County Jail.
67 Jfkaua: Nope... Dude you have one big problem.. You seem to plan everything out and get fustrated when it doesn't work out... You just have to let things go
68 FLAIRPORT: She left early....calling her tomorrow