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Pope's Opinion On Gay Marriages  
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5491 times:

I will regret to post this...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/23/pope.book.reut/index.html

[Edited 2005-02-23 16:33:30]

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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5468 times:

Isn't he dead yet ?

Anyway, who cares - he's an old fascist living about 5 centuries too late. Time the Catholic Church woke up and smelled the reality. I think he should look to the paedophile in his own eye before worrying about the gay mote in anyone elses.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5452 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (reply 1):
Isn't he dead yet ?


Don't you read the news? Or at least watch the T.V.?

Remember that you [and me] MAY die before him.

Once he die, another will come...  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

I respectfully disagree with the Holy Father on this one.

User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5426 times:

Its about time this old crow did us all a favour and dropped dead, he has more blood on his hands than any known serial killer to date! (I am, of course, referring to the catholic church's stance on condom use and the consequential spread of HIV, VD's and the rise of abortions).


Equally Cursed and Blessed.
User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5420 times:

When are people gonna get with the times?... That's all I can say...


Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5406 times:

Maybe he just got really emotional after he was invited to Brittany Spear's "Ideology of Good" wedding ceremony.

User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13470 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5407 times:
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When are people gonna get with the times?... That's all I can say...

While I, like Falcon84, disagree with the Holy Father on this one, I do have a certain degree of admiration for the church's unwillingness to compromise on their tenets and beliefs just because they don't happen to be popular.

Their belief, right or wrong, is - "Why should we 'get with the times', and change our stance because your beliefs are different from ours?" - essentially saying they won't give in to peer pressure.



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5401 times:

I am all for gay marriage. Anything that encourages gay men to form lasting commitments. Maybe marriage will help us understand the concept of fidelity and monogamy, two very uncommon traits in the gay world.

Also If I had been married to my partner, I would now be able to claim half of what was mine, instead of being left with nothing!


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

Their belief, right or wrong, is - "Why should we 'get with the times', and change our stance because your beliefs are different from ours?" - essentially saying they won't give in to peer pressure.

That's fine.

No one was expecting the Pope to embrace gay marriage.

But using language like the "ideology of evil" is rather extreme, don't you think?

The Pontiff could have stated his opinions in a manner befitting his stature rather than condemning those he disagrees with as some distilled apparition of evil. The words of this man are viewed upon as Gospel truth by many of his followers, and his categorization of gay marriage as an ideology of evil is pure demagoguery that creates a division of fear and loathing.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

This just goes to show you how outdated the church is. Sad really.

User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13470 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5367 times:
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But using language like the "ideology of evil" is rather extreme, don't you think?


If re-read what I'd written, you'd see the first thing I said was that I disagreed with the Holy Father on this.



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User currently offlineVSLover From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

like amy poehler said on saturday night live the other week:

"this week gay marriage was condemned by an older single man wearing a cape."


User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

Quoting Jaysit (reply 9):
That's fine.

No one was expecting the Pope to embrace gay marriage.

But using language like the "ideology of evil" is rather extreme, don't you think?


I'd agree with you on this. This wording could promote homophobia, which is a sin by itself, like any other kind of hate or prejudice. Yet, after reading the whole article and based of what I know about the Holy Father, I think he was referring to a broader trend in modern society:

"It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he writes.

I've quoted an interesting part of the CNN's article. I think he was talking about the so-called "Culture of Death." The one who promotes abortion, euthanasia and attacks family an moral values. Of course, you could agree or disagree with this vision of the world, but I don't think that he was calling homosexuality an "ideology of evil." Indeed, that would be against current Church's teachings on this subject.


User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5342 times:

I have my religious beliefs and will not bring them into this thread. What I will say is the gov't shouldn't even recognize anything as a marriage. The gov't should only recognize civil unions, and let individual religions or non-religious groups (nothing wrong with either on a social level) coin what they'll consider a marriage.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5312 times:

Quoting SSTjumbo (reply 14):
What I will say is the gov't shouldn't ejavascript:;ven recognize anything as a marriage.


Hear hear. That is EXACTLY the way things should be.

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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (reply 13):
Yet, after reading the whole article and based of what I know about the Holy Father, I think he was referring to a broader trend in modern society:


Quite so, but I don't think anyone would disagree in saying that the Pope would include homosexuality and gay marriage would fall into that category.

Being a product of Catholic education no matter how much the Church tries to say "Hate the sin, love the Sinner" they do NOT practise what they preach.

LH423



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5299 times:

OF COURSE Pope Yoda is going to condemn gay marriage.... although he too seems to be confused by civil marriage and the religious institution known as marriage  Insane....

Anyhoo... he knows that when gay marriage becomes common in the civilized world, all the flaming homo priests are going to become REALLY jealous and pissed off they can't marry each other.... so he wants to avoid the inevitable as long as possible.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5298 times:

Quoting Jaysit (reply 9):
No one was expecting the Pope to embrace gay marriage.


Quite true. The Church is supposed to be the foundation of ancient moral ideals and therefore cannot be expected to conform to popular opinion unless they stand the test of time.


Quoting Jaysit (reply 9):
But using language like the "ideology of evil" is rather extreme, don't you think?


I too think that this is a rather extreme statement. I would hope the Holy Father's book can clarify what he means by this. I believe that the Church had recently proclaimed that to be a homosexual is not a sin but to act upon it's inherent pressures is.


Quoting JGPH1A (reply 1):
Anyway, who cares - he's an old fascist living about 5 centuries too late. Time the Catholic Church woke up and smelled the reality.


Looks like you woke up on the wrong side of the sarcophagus this morning. To answer your statement look at my above reply to Jaysit.



"Are you a pretender... or a thoroughbred?!" - Professor Matt Miller
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5288 times:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...10000103&sid=aTMbI2gOR5UU&refer=us


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"Looks like you woke up on the wrong side of the sarcophagus this morning."

That's the funniest thing I ever read. Can't stop laughing...


User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5284 times:

This, along with a few other problems the church has faced recently, has made me a living catholic, with out actually being a "true" catholic. I love the Bible as a book, lots of great rules to live by. Some of the ten commandments are fantastic. Like...

Commandment 5- Honour thy father and thy mother... Which I also view as not only parents, but those superior to us as well.

Commandment 6- Thou shalt not kill... Though many times within the Bible people kill in the name of God. (One of the many double standards). Many in the past viewed this as don't kill within the Catholic religion...

I could go on and on about the good of the Catholic Religion, but when it comes down to daily preaching of acceptance that many priests and the pope profess, then come and lay the smackdown against homosexuals, this is what upsets me because how could God not accept people based on their sexual orientation?


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5270 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (reply 0):
I will regret to post this...


Liar. What kind of replies would you have been expecting? You posted because you felt it necessary.

With regards to the pope on gays, I am not surprised, he's religious old school.

Ask any [seriously] religious person about anything homosexual and their answers will be varied but the average of the their answers are the same -- they don't like it -- all their opinions can be traced to this reserved judgement. This is what they have been taught to believe.



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User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

Quoting Lehpron (reply 21):
This is what they have been taught to believe.


Liberalism is TAUGHT as well as conservatism. Please keep that in mind.



"Are you a pretender... or a thoroughbred?!" - Professor Matt Miller
User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5241 times:

Quoting 174thfwff (reply 20):
I could go on and on about the good of the Catholic Religion, but when it comes down to daily preaching of acceptance that many priests and the pope profess, then come and lay the smackdown against homosexuals, this is what upsets me because how could God not accept people based on their sexual orientation?


That's not accurate. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church in regard to homosexuals is found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity [1], tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered [2].” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstance can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.


These articles are quite clear. The Church condemns homosexual acts because they are "intrinsically disordered." Yet, the Church does not condem homosexuals and recognizes that gays and lesbians are called to "fulfill God’s will in their lives." Even more, discrimination is plainly condemned by the Church. Hope this help to clarify the topic.


User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5238 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (reply 23):
These articles are quite clear. The Church condemns homosexual acts because they are "intrinsically disordered." Yet, the Church does not condem homosexuals and recognizes that gays and lesbians are called to "fulfill God’s will in their lives." Even more, discrimination is plainly condemned by the Church. Hope this help to clarify the topic.


Shame that the Church discriminates against homosexuals (and bisexuals, for that matter) itself then isn't it?


25 Post contains images Solnabo : F Phelps & Pope Johannes Paulus = the one n same IMO Micke/SE
26 SFOMEX : Would you care to elaborate? You know, to prove your statement.
27 Jaysit : Liberalism is TAUGHT as well as conservatism. Please keep that in mind. Yes. And thank goodness for those great liberal thinkers of the Western Renais
28 Post contains images PacificWestern : Please gentlemen....you don't need to sugar coat things for us. Tell us strongly how you feel.
29 AerorobNZ : I wish there were more people like them that don't put everything into Euphemisms. Respect for them being like that.
30 PacificWestern : I do too AerorobNZ. I was teasing them for being so blunt...and honest. Hence, the winking smiley face. I am a bit surprised that certain individuals
31 174thfwff : Isn't this just saying that what they are doing is wrong? And by them doing it, they are, in fact, wrong as well?
32 SFOMEX : Yes indeed. The key words are "doing it." If a homosexual person doesn't have gay sex, he or she is blameless in the eyes of God and the Church. Once
33 KyleLosAngeles : I think the Pope and the Catholic Church need to take a much-needed break from expressing views on anything to do with human sexuality. They have more
34 Jake056 : I'm waiting to see how the church comments on civil unions. They aren't going to give on marriage, but I think there is maneuver room on the issue on
35 Falcon84 : While I, like Falcon84, disagree with the Holy Father on this one, I do have a certain degree of admiration for the church's unwillingness to compromi
36 SonOfACaptain : I don't complain about a lot of stuff but I do feel that it is my obligation to my religion to defend the Pope. How dare you people criticize my relig
37 PacificWestern : Well, MY imaginary friend KNOWS you've got problems!
38 787 : Marriage has always been a religious union between a man and a women. The Catholic church has deep seeded traditions and this tradition will remain ri
39 Lehpron : I believe that most people do not know what liberalism means...even those that claim to be, which is pretty sad. Modern liberality is flawed, nobody
40 Diamond : 787, Please take this in the kind spirit in which it was intended: I have never heard a bigger load of flatulence in my life. Somehow the mention of t
41 LH423 : But...it's okay if he calls my life and beliefs "evil"? Sorry, I'm gonna call a spade a spade. The Catholic Church is whacked! How many centuries did
42 Jaysit : Go forth and propagate. You can't do that in a same sex union. So whats your point? You can go forth and propagate in the absence of traditional marri
43 OYRJA : One stupid question...... Is the Pope married????
44 Jaysit : No. The Pope is a single male of indeterminate sexuality.
45 AerorobNZ : it wouldn't surprise me if the Pope was a closet gay himself. A lot of priests are, that's why they choose celebate lives. And they are the ones leadi
46 Jaysit : For the Catholics on A.net: Do you think that the next Pope may come from the African continent? If so, do you think he will be welcome in Italy? In E
47 KyleLosAngeles : Do you think that the next Pope may come from the African continent? - It's always possible, but I think the next Pope will be European. If so, do you
48 LH423 : The French magazine Paris Match did an article about the strong possibilty of a Latin/South American pope. Would make sense if that would happen. LH42
49 Post contains images MxCtrlr : I think many people here are mixing two different subjects into one. The issue at hand for the purposes of this thread, are the comments of the leader
50 Jasepl : I've never understood why members of the Catholic clergy - led by El Papa himself - get all offended whenever anything to do with gays comes up, when
51 Post contains images JGPH1A : Jasepl - naughty !! Proceed directly to Hell, do not pass Go, do not collect $200 !! (nice one !). P.S. Flybyguy - I like the sarcophagus crack too. O
52 Post contains images Jasepl : Ha ha! Ne t'inquiétes pas... They way I've been going, I should have got permanent residence already!
53 AerorobNZ : When the poor old bugger pops his Gucci clogs and finally snuffs it you can be rest assured one of the cardinals he has been grooming from within the
54 TACAA320 : Oh yes that's REALLY stupid.
55 TWFirst : >>This is my opinion and in no way should it be taken as being offensive.
56 TACAA320 : I don't see any possibility that the next one comes from Africa nor America [the continent]. My guess is that he will be an italian. But anything cou
57 Avek00 : Truth be told, the vast majority of Roman Catholics (and Christians/Jews/Muslims/etc. of all kinds) oppose gay marriages, period. While gay marriage m
58 Alberchico : he has no choice .If the church become liberal and permitted gay marriage they would lose half their members. You can't preach something one day and t
59 JGPH1A : Yes you can - they already did. The Church has changed its mind constantly (eventually !), on such diverse topics as the geocentric universe, slavery
60 Avek00 : "usually about 200 years after everyone else in the known universe grasped the concept." And that's just it - outside of Western Europe and Canada, NO
61 TWFirst : >>And that's just it - outside of Western Europe and Canada, NO NATION has embraced gay marriage, and virtually none of them even have a desire to con
62 Jaysit : So it's not the Pope that needs a reality check - it's the extremists who believe that gay marriage can simply be forced upon the world on morality-ba
63 AerorobNZ : NZ has civil unions for gays, they can also have ceremonies but they are still marriage in all but name
64 Flybyguy : I think that if the new Pope comes from the African continent he will be quite conservative. There are countries in Africa and at least one I think i
65 Avek00 : "You do realize that most civil rights legislation, both in the West and the rest of the world, was very unpopular and was more or less forced on the
66 JGPH1A : How does a request for equal treatment under the law not qualify as morality-based argument ? Isn't that what the Declaration of Indepenence says ? "
67 Avek00 : "How does a request for equal treatment under the law not qualify as morality-based argument ? Isn't that what the Declaration of Indepenence says ? "
68 Jaysit : I realize that, and I'm telling you that same-sex marriage requires too much bending/abrogation of moral rules to make an effective morality-based arg
69 TWFirst : >>See, in order for same-sex marriage to be an equal protection issue in the USA, the law has to recognize sexual orientation as a suspect distinction
70 Post contains images DIJKKIJK : Do you think that the next Pope may come from the African continent highly unlikely! He'll have a tough time getting himself a visa
71 Jaysit : Therefore, unless and until SCOTUS says that sexual orientation is a suspect classification subject to judicial scrutiny, there is NO EQUAL PROTECTION
72 Logan22L : Well, as Leviticus 18:22 clearly states homosexuality to be an abomination, I can see the Pope's point. However, I have a couple of other questions fo
73 Ctbarnes : I wouldn't worry too much about this, nor get overly upset about it. Yes it's strident, but the book was the distillation of discussions between the P
74 Dvk : Ctbarnes, I disagree with you strongly. The Pope carries great authority with many people worldwide, and such strident pronouncements by him, regardle
75 Ctbarnes : I do see your point, and I don't want to minimize it. Yet at the same time the rhetoric on moral issues in the Church (he also compared abortion to t
76 Diamond : MxCtrlr - welcome to my RR list.
77 Avek00 : "What other legal covenant or contract can you point to where the 2 parties entering into it are required to be of the opposite gender?" Tenancy by th
78 Travelin man : Whomever said that governments should not be in the business of sanctioning "marriage" was spot on. Civil unions should be sanctioned by governments,
79 Avek00 : "That is a very narrow, and unfortunately, uninformed view of Constitutional law and the EP clause, not to mention the ruling in Lawrence." Narrow per
80 Avek00 : "Whomever said that governments should not be in the business of sanctioning "marriage" was spot on. Civil unions should be sanctioned by governments,
81 TWFirst : >.If the man and woman requirement is deemed "arbitrary", it becomes tough to argue, for example, that fixing the number of marriage participants at t
82 Ctbarnes : Very cheap shot. Charles, SJ
83 Post contains images Jaysit : Likewise, Lawrence turns not on homosexuality per se but rather the notion that the State must be limited in its intrusion of the home. Well, Lawrence
84 Jaysit : Back to the Pope: Has anyone read the book called "The Bad Popes"? I've been reading it off and on. It strings together a chronology of really evil po
85 TWFirst : No, but I attended the Vatican's "St. Peter and the History of the Papacy" exhibit while at one of its four U.S. venues in 2003 (Ft. Lauderdale Museum
86 Canadi>nBoy : Personally, I feel and believe that the truly enlightened, intelligent, rational and 'real' people of this world, those with their heads screwed on an
87 Post contains images Ctbarnes : So, let me see: It's not okay to criticise gay marriage or civil unions, no matter how one feels about the subject. But, it is okay to demonize and ba
88 Jaysit : But, it is okay to demonize and bash the Catholic church with happy abandon, no matter if there are some Christians here who do try to live lives of..
89 Avek00 : "But its false to state that sexual orientation is not an EP issue from a legal standpoint. It is." No, that wasn't my point - I asserted that unless
90 Jaysit : but first SCOTUS (or the Congress, for that matter) have to formally declare it suspect before we can extend its application to marraige, the military
91 SonOfACaptain : Hahaha, that was 10 years of Catholic education speaking, not me. -SOAC
92 SFOMEX : C'mon TWFirst, this coming from a citizen from the wealthiest country in the world. What were you expecting from a 2000 years institution? Rags? The
93 AerorobNZ : They have the most amazing treasures, but I'm sorry if they keep them all behind closed doors like they do then it's a waste. They have kept them all
94 Travelin man : Marriage is ONLY a legal institution conferring those entitlements because WE made it so, and my point is that link should be undone completely. Some
95 Johnboy : I don't hate the Catholic Church, it's the behavior I hate. Sound familiar? And I cannot believe the Pope had too much to do with that book in his adv
96 RedDragon : Shame that you didn't come out of it with an appreciation for the real world... I managed to, after fourteen years of Catholic education... SFOMEX (r
97 SonOfACaptain : Can you please elaborate. What do you mean I don't appreciate the real world -SOAC
98 Avek00 : "Marriage is ONLY a legal institution conferring those entitlements because WE made it so, and my point is that link should be undone completely." But
99 Post contains links Travelin man : Because apparently my grammar is not up to par with others here, I had to look up "meretricious", and this is the definition: adj 1: like or relating
100 Avek00 : WHAT IS A CONTRACT? A contract is an agreement between two or more persons (individuals, businesses, organizations or government agencies) to do, or t
101 Avek00 : "Perhaps I am missing something, but are you saying courts do not want to approve of gay marriage because they are afraid of "prostitute-like" relatio
102 787 : One thing for certain, same sex marriage is not going to happen anytime soon at least in the U.S. along with most other countries. Catholic or not. Th
103 Avek00 : "One thing for certain, same sex marriage is not going to happen anytime soon at least in the U.S. along with most other countries. Catholic or not. T
104 787 : Yes. That is bizarre. Perhaps then it would be more appropriate to bash ones own neighbor who is probably just as opposed to same sex unions as well i
105 Avek00 : "The whole issue of same sex marriage itself is bizarre in how it tries to legitimize its own cause celebre." True indeed. I've argued that the bigges
106 JpetekYXMD80 : I dont think my neighbor stands up on his pedestal to preach about issues of law in secular governments based on their religion!! Your comment makes
107 Aerorobnz : The point that bugs me is that People hide behind an institutions ideals instead of accepting that they themselves have prejudices. If you are going t
108 RedDragon : Well... when you said that [the spread of STDs in Africa and elsewhere] "wouldn't be a problem if people used sex for the way God created it to be us
109 Aerorobnz : because in this enlightened day and age we are not forced to believe something just because it is the status quo, and because the people in charge be
110 SonOfACaptain : Haha, no no no. The comments I said was purely sarcastic. I was only joking when I said them. I did NOT mean to be serious about them. Sorry for the
111 Commander_Rabb : Marriage is simply an act with religious traditions. That is where it derived from. Marriage has not had its roots in some civil arena. It has religio
112 Flybyguy : How is not accepting gay marriage a prejudice? We must draw a line somewhere. This is not a matter of equal rights. I'm sure that if there was a way
113 Post contains images RedDragon : SonOfACaptain: hehe, ok then... glad to hear it! It's always good to be able to discount people as potential pea-brained reactionary fools on this kin
114 Aerorobnz : If you refuse to accept that everyone is entitled to the same rights as everyone else then it is a prejudice against a particular lifestyle that does
115 Flybyguy : Hardly appropriate language, RedDragon, however I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. So why is it that STDs are so rampantly spread across and wit
116 Avek00 : "So why is it that STDs are so rampantly spread across and within the gay community at far higher numbers than heterosexual relationships (at least in
117 AerorobNZ : Stats, or just the things your Pastor told you to make you abstain from sex and 'explain' why gays are bad? That stereotype was applied when AIDS fir
118 RedDragon : Well apologies for that - I didn't see there being much point in writing an eloquent response to such a moronic point... In addition to what AerorobN
119 Allstarflyer : I'm not sure how the pope feels personally about homosexuality, but he's the head of that religion, so it's inevitable he's going to broadcast the vie
120 Avek00 : "Surely stability in relationships has nothing to do with the spread of sexual disease... it's safe versus risky practices that does! " Incorrect - ev
121 CORULEZ05 : "Even if you compare same age homosexual men with same age single heterosexual men, the numbers are staggeringly different" That is pure and simple BU
122 Avek00 : "That is pure and simple BULLSHIT. I have plenty of straight guy friends that have a LONG LIST of women they have slept with so you can't say that gay
123 CORULEZ05 : BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA........studies my ass. That is such a stereotype....there are PLENTY of gays, just like straights, that are in serious relationshi
124 Avek00 : "BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA........studies my ass." Now you don't even want to accept that research has been performed on this issue, and that it doesn't fav
125 Flybyguy : I NEVER realized it was this bad! From these two statements it is obvious that homosexuals have not one, but two demons they need to slake in order t
126 CORULEZ05 : "Anal sex is more risky because the Anus is far more fragile and more likely to be damaged than a vagina - increasing the chances of exchanging semen/
127 Flybyguy : You and I both know that condoms aren't absolute protection. Second homosexual male sex is probably a very bloody act (considering delicate rectal ti
128 RedDragon : Do you have any idea what you're talking about here...?
129 AirWillie6475 : I have to agree with the pope on this one. I am not religious at all but come on guys, god made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Whats the point of be
130 Post contains images TWFirst : AirWillie: With all due respect (which is very little)... go pop your zits or play video games or jack off or something little boy... we don't give a
131 Avek00 : "The bottom line is that granting the same legal benefits to same sex couples DOES NOT AFFECT ANYONE EXCEPT THOSE COUPLES. It does not affect you Will
132 Post contains images TWFirst : >>1. I vote and contribute to financial campaigns da*nit, and I can therefore hold my elected officials accountable on the issue depending on how it's
133 Avek00 : "Did blacks have to "sell" the idea of their equal treatment and civil rights to the majority during the 50-60's?? NO... they simply fought for what t
134 Post contains links Allstarflyer : I'm curious, TW. What is the standard for your definition of morality? Unfortunately, some who may argue with you would try to forcefeed you Scriptur
135 AerorobNZ : What besides chimpanzees, dolphins and other species also exhibiting single sex behaviours of a sexual nature. I reckon that exhibits perfectly that
136 Allstarflyer : Clever, though, unfulfilling, Aero. I've seen dogs place their tongues all over each other regardless of gender. I also see dogs excrete all over the
137 AerorobNZ : Chimpanzees(our closest relatives), Gorillas and Dolphins both have the ability for developed thought. Chimps & Gorillas have the intellectual power
138 TWFirst : Allstarflyer: My definition of morality is irrelevant in the context of this argument. So is yours. So is anyone else's. As I stated, it's simply a ma
139 RedDragon : I can't say I've ever seen a worse example of brain-dead, moronic proclamations on a messageboard than those of Allstarflyer... to be honest I can't r
140 Avek00 : "If you truly believe homosexuality is a choice, please provide a logical, coherent rationale as to why ANYONE would choose to be gay..." Extreme narc
141 TWFirst : >Extreme narcissism, deep-seated misogyny, a desire to be nonconformist - take your pick.
142 TWFirst : Avek00: The question you SHOULD be examining and attempting to answer is: Why are people so afraid of homosexuals and homosexuality?? With all the evi
143 RedDragon : But narcissism is extreme love of yourself, not just someone with the same bodily parts as you... if you were that narcissistic wouldn't you just sta
144 Post contains links Allstarflyer : Quite a task here, answering to all 3 of you, though, I'll endeavour to answer each of you as completely as I can. "Brain-dead, moronic proclamations"
145 Allstarflyer : Red, You came back better with your response to Avek, with some thoughtful responses. I may not have appropriately responded to the question you have
146 Allstarflyer : Rich, You may not find the responses I've offered to make sense, nor those of any who oppose homosexuality, but to paraphrase Scripture - God's ways
147 Post contains links Aerorobnz : "We could go on. And on. The position that homosexuality is wrong is directly taken from Scripture. People - Aero, TW, Red, Allstarflyer, whoever - ei
148 RedDragon : Ok. First of all, at the risk of being accused of going even further off-topic, marriage isn’t only a Christian sacrament, it’s a civil right. Whe
149 TWFirst : To argue with a fool is to become one. Unfortunately, Allstarflyer CHOOSES to bathe in his own ignorance... so be it. It's unfortunate that he is unab
150 Flybyguy : I guess after looking at the arguments presented it is becoming increasingly unlikely that there is a legal way to halt gay marriages. Apparently, Am
151 AerorobNZ : Just a few quotes that I thought were applicable to your sentiments flybyguy "Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make m
152 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Sorry, I've been unable to post for a couple of days, but I'm finally back. Aero, from the 1st link you offered, in the 1st paragraph, the indecision
153 Post contains images Lekohawk : I come late to this argument (as I have so many arguments on A.net, due to only just recently joining up) but I believe I do have some valid sentiment
154 Post contains images MDL21483 : A G R E E D ! ! ! Civil Unions should apply to EVERYONE, hedro, homo, bi, TransGendered, TS, and everyone in between. Not sure about mormons though,
155 Post contains images MDL21483 : Ok, explain to me how all the many thousands of kids out there that don't have the stereotypical family structure you call "biologically necessary" m
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