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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5078 posts, RR: 29
Posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7396 times:

Gotta love it! Who is getting filthy rich, and laughing all the way to the bank right now? I am so sick of paying more and more at the pump for the same stuff. Do these people want the airline industry to fail? Do they realize the pain it is doing to so many?


I don't want to start a flame war here, but I am dying to ask our a.netters in other countries what the Middle Eastern Airlines are paying for fuel? And what are they paying at the pump for their vehicles? I think it would be interesting to see if they are getting stung as hard.


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User currently offlineAngelAirways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7330 times:

Quoting F9Animal (reply 0):
I am so sick of paying more and more at the pump for the same stuff.


Maybe you should get yourself a more fuel efficient car  Smile


Quoting F9Animal (reply 0):
what the Middle Eastern Airlines are paying for fuel?


50% of what they spend is spent abroad at airports like LHR, HKG, SYD, KUL etc and the 50% spent at home, believe me, is not much too different. The Middle Eastern countries may be producing large amounts of oil but they do not sell it cheap at home.

Also, the countries hosting Emirates, Etihad, Gulf Air, and Qatar Airways have very little oil in themselves (that's why they are trying to diversify their economy towards other ventures such as airlines).


User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7295 times:

Quoting F9Animal (reply 0):
Who is getting filthy rich, and laughing all the way to the bank right now?


Have you noticed that in the last month Exxon has become the most valuable corporation in the States? Or that BP posted the largest UK corporate profit in history?


User currently offlineEGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7255 times:

Quoting F9Animal (reply 0):
I am so sick of paying more and more at the pump for the same stuff


You're sick of it? In the UK, what we pay for standard unleaded (77.9 pence per litre) works out to about $6.14 per US gallon at current £/$ exchange rates... I have to pay even more (84.9 pence per litre) as my car is designed to run on high octane fuel.

In the UK, it's the government getting rich and laughing all the way to the bank - the level of tax on it in the UK is extremely high.

In contrast, aviation fuel is heavily subsidised (last I heard was it's about $1/50 a gallon - is this correct?). If one airline can't survive even with such heavily subsidised fuel, but others can, then it suggests the airline has deeper problems than just the fuel prices...



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User currently offlineNUair From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7244 times:

umm its not a renewable resource so the more we use the less their is and the higher the prices will go.

Oil prices will always trend upwards which is why companies like BP and ExxonMobil are making billions, because they were smart enough to invest like crazy into it decades ago.

As far as the middle eastern airlines making out like bandits the middle east region is actually a net importers of jet fuel. Just because they have the crude doesn't mean they have the refining capacity to process it.

I work for the oil companies yet I bike to work for the exercise and to cut down on transportation costs. It always amazes me that people flip out about the price for a gallon of gasoline (a non-renewable resource) and go into the store and pay more for a bottle of water (a very abundant resource).

Stop complaining and take the local bus that runs on natural gas.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7222 times:

Quoting F9Animal (reply 0):
I am so sick of paying more and more at the pump for the same stuff.


Bitch bitch bitch... everything in liquid form is more expensive than gasoline short of public water.

Quoting F9Animal (reply 0):
Do these people want the airline industry to fail? Do they realize the pain it is doing to so many?


Welcome to capitalism 101


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3376 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7205 times:

Quoting F9Animal (reply 0):
And what are they paying at the pump for their vehicles?


In the Netherlands around 1,25* euro per litre standard petrol (euro 95).
In Germany around 1,10 euro per litre standard petrol (super). Seen myself last weekend in Frankfurt.


Converted (1 litre = 0.264 gallon and 1 euro = 1.325 dollar**)
In the Netherlands one gallon costs around 6,274 US Dollar.
In Germany one gallon costs around 5,520 US Dollar.


I've also looked up the average gasoline price in the US which is now around 1,905*** US Dollar. On behalf of all Europeans I'd like to ask you to stop complaining, you got a long way to go before it gets really bad!  Acting devilish


* http://www.nu.nl/news/485012/30/Shell_verlaagt_benzineprijzen.html
** http://www.xe.com/ucc/
***http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7161 times:

Quoting Petertenthije (reply 6):
On behalf of all Europeans I'd like to ask you to stop complaining, you got a long way to go before it gets really bad!


On behalf of all Americans, I'd hope you recognize that we live in completly different enviornments... so a pissing fight over how much you pay for gas is meaningless  Big grin

Many Europeans live in a highly dense area with viable alternatives to driving a car. Paris has 380 subway stops, all of Texas has maybe 50. Many parts of the country lack the density for high-speed rail, ect. I would love to not own a car period (because insurance for a 22 year-old BLOWS), but it simply isn't practical.

Believe me... I tried commuting by bike for a month  Wow!


User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7119 times:

Average gasoline tax in the United States is $0.42

What is the tax on jet fuel worldwide and in the states?



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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2723 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7115 times:

A question for our American coleagues:

I lived in the US as a kid in the 70's during the so called 'Energy Crisis' brought about by the Arab oil embaro. The US was crippled by it's huge dependence on imported oil and the block of supply by OPEC. There were mile long queues at the petrol stations. In Washington DC, freeways into town were restricted to car pooling (3 persons per car) and everyone started buying what they called 'campact' cars. Compared to the 7litre v8 we and others had, anything was compact. The awareness of energy consumption was very strong for a number of years and the media was full of ideas on reducing consumption.
What happened next?! Why did everyone revert to bigger cars, power bills and an SUV per family? Surely, it's in the local national security interest (and the climate's) for the US to reduce dependency on foreign oil?

Any thoughts?



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User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7085 times:

Whereas the current high prices may be attributed to exceptional circumstances like the war in Iraq or other destabilizing (mis)happenings around the globe, it is an indisputable fact that over the coming decade, oil prices will rise to much higher levels than what we are currently used to, mainly because of the ever growing demand, not only from developed nations in Europe and North America, but more importantly also from developing nations like India, China and Southeast Asia with their billions of inhabitants, whereas the natural resources are limited, both in overall quantity as well as production capacity.

China for instance is an emerging industrial world power and will thus slowly but steadily start to guzzle equal amounts of oil as do the United States at present, or did you really believe those 60 787s (plus all the other planes they've ordered recently) are just an isolated fact? They are proof of the growing mobility within China and Asia as a whole, mobility not only by air, but also by car! Every Chinese (more than 1 BILLION of them!!!) now has a bike, yet only a few million of them already have a car; over the next decade it is estimated more than 300 million newly registered cars will be driving in the streets of China alone.... and guess what, they'll all be running on gasoline!

Maybe it's time to get more environmentally friendly and in the mean time also less fuel consuming cars in the US too, or is that just something for 'euro-whining lefties' and will Americans always feel the unrestrainable need to drive around in oversized cars guzzling 10 gallons per 100 miles or more? It would certainly do your wallet, the world economy and the global climate a favour if a change in mentality would take place!


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5078 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7045 times:

I did not intend on this post becoming a USA against XXX fill in the blanks. I was just letting off steam about the insane crude prices. I also wanted to know if the Middle Eastern Airlines of the world were paying less. I just know that my billfold is starting to hurt when I stop at the pump. I would love to take the bus, but the bus prices are starting to become outrageous. Can't win for lose here!


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User currently offlineVikingair From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7041 times:

Nice piece of writing "Sabenapilot", I could not have said it better myself....

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5078 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7030 times:

I understand that G.B. is an oil tycoon himself. You would think....... Oh wait, think!!! Does he do that?


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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5078 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7010 times:

Wish they could invent a passenger jet that could fly on blue juice!


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User currently offlineCEO@AFG From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 247 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6988 times:

Norwegian gas/petrol prices are also pretty high at the moment, drove past a gas station on my way home, and it is NOK 10.23 per litre. If you convert the NOK to USD and convert to gallon, the price is USD6.20 per gallon.

From friends in the states I've been hearing that smaller cars are starting to come into fashion again, as soon as regular unleaded prices rise above $2.00 per gallon, people really take notice.

It is very depressing to see that Seattle with it's 1million + population are still debating on how/when to build the extension to the monorail, even the small task of extending the line to SEA/TAC is dragging on for ever, no wonder the Americans need their cars, beyond New York, there's really none of the other major US cities with a good mass transportation system for the public.



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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6955 times:

Quoting Sabenapilot (reply 10):
Maybe it's time to get more environmentally friendly and in the mean time also less fuel consuming cars in the US too, or is that just something for 'euro-whining lefties' and will Americans always feel the unrestrainable need to drive around in oversized cars guzzling 10 gallons per 100 miles or more? It would certainly do your wallet, the world economy and the global climate a favour if a change in mentality would take place!


I wish I could buy a more fuel efficient vehicle, that would actually fit my extremely tall dimensions. Small diesels like in Europe just aren't sold here though, other than VW ironically. Other than VW, you can only get diesels in large pickups and then they only do marginally better than their gasoline counterparts. I have enjoyed the ones I have driven over there in Europe, the new direct injection turbodiesels are much better than the older diesels used to be; they have real usable power bands and they get great mileage of course.

In the meantime, I try to keep my speed around 130kmh on the freeway and that seems to yield around 20 miles per gallon in my pickup.

We now return you to your normally scheduled aviation forum Big grin



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User currently offlineMoMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 6953 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (reply 9):
What happened next?! Why did everyone revert to bigger cars, power bills and an SUV per family? Surely, it's in the local national security interest (and the climate's) for the US to reduce dependency on foreign oil?


That's exactly what happened. Here in the U.S. the average person has a hard time remembering the news from a month ago, let alone 30 years ago. The news media has a way of hyping a story to the Nth level and moving on to something else when people bore of the earlier story. Last spring when fuel prices first hit $2 a gallon, people were screaming bloody murder and everyone was going to buy the Toyota hybrid car. Two months later the news headlines are "record SUV and truck sales". Now the gas prices are inching towards $2 again and there is no media coverage.

I'm disappointed that our gov't hasn't taken ANY useful actions to prevent a reoccurence of the '73 oil embargo. Small things might help, including a gas guzzler tax of at least $3,000 on any car that gets less than 15 mpg combined driving, or more of a carrot approach in giving people who buy fuel efficient cars a $5,000 tax break. News media reports it would take gas of at least $3-3.50/gal to get people to trade to fuel efficient cars; I suspect it would be more along the lines of $3.50-4 as people are so concerned with so called "status symbols".

Highways are more crowded too because everyone thinks they need a Suburban to drive 1 person to work. I can't remember the last time I saw a large SUV with more than 1 person in it.

Moman



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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 6942 times:

You can thank the general focus on the individual than society as a whole for that. Back when the New York subways were being built, every major city in the US had efficient mass transportation. The Los Angeles basin was home to the largest urban mass transportation system in the United States. That system was Southern Pacific's famous Pacific Electric Railway. At it's height, the PE made up 10 percent of the total interurban railway operations in the United States, with a mainline totaling 1000+ route miles. While they did provide local trolley service, they also provided carload, less than carload and US Mail service. They had steeplejack electric motors, box motors and diesel electric switchers as well as combine and Railway Post Office cars. Top speeds could be as high as 70 mph on longer, intercity routes. They just had to screw things up by allowing the PE to be shut down and replaced with the interstates and they are worse off for it.


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User currently offlineMoMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 6926 times:

57AZ,

I want to add that our favorite subject on this board, the airlines , have no interest in allowing a national rail system to develop. They fight it tooth and nail. I think efficient & cost effective high speed rail would put a serious dent in many short haul routes (northeast corridor, Florida, west coast).

Moman



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User currently offlineSendMEtoLAS From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 66 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 6892 times:

Americans need their cars, beyond New York, there's really none of the other major US cities with a good mass transportation system for the public.

Don't forget about Chicago. Although the L routes are not as extensive as the NYC subway system, Chicago's L and city buses can get you where you need to go for cheap. And their public transit system is very easy to navigate vs NYC.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 6876 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (reply 9):
What happened next?! Why did everyone revert to bigger cars, power bills and an SUV per family?


Pretty much, that and the fact that "compact" cars now pack more horsepower than a sports car from days gone by. Any engine is a balance between economy and performance, but since gas has been relativly cheap state-side, performance has taken the priority.

Engines of 2005 have simmilar fuel consumption from 1995, but they churn out more power with the same fuel and produce less emissions.

Quoting MoMan (reply 19):
I want to add that our favorite subject on this board, the airlines , have no interest in allowing a national rail system to develop. They fight it tooth and nail.


Southwest sure as hell did  Big grin

I hardly blame the collapse of the Texas HSR on WN alone, there was never critical mass for that project, but it remains to be seen how they react to the Trans-Texas Corridor which will see the light of day.

Quoting Brons2 (reply 16):
I wish I could buy a more fuel efficient vehicle, that would actually fit my extremely tall dimensions. Small diesels like in Europe just aren't sold here though, other than VW ironically


Bit of irony regarding the Volkswagon TDI: it has great economy, but until low-sulfur desiel hits the market in 2006, there are many gasoline cars that produce less emissions.


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2723 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 6858 times:

Quoting 57AZ (reply 18):
The Los Angeles basin was home to the largest urban mass transportation system in the United States. That system was Southern Pacific's famous Pacific Electric Railway.


I have heard from several sources, including a tv documentary, that the US automobile manufacturers had a direct political influence in getting LA's public transport shut down in the first half of the 20th century.



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 6849 times:

**""What happened next?! Why did everyone revert to bigger cars, power bills and an SUV per family? Surely, it's in the local national security interest (and the climate's) for the US to reduce dependency on foreign oil?""**

Hey it costs me $40 to fill my truck every week, but oh well I fill my gas. Yeah it was nice when I bought the truck the gas was $0.95 a gallon back then, and i could have gotten a new little hippy car that gets me 50 miles per gallon, but I didn't. I would rather drive a truck than some little hippy car because a truck is more comfortable and in my opinion every little environmental car I have seen so far is uglier than shit and looks like even a midget would feel clausterphobic in it.

There is nothing we can do about it. No matter how much we bitch and moan, it won't drop fuel prices. Lets just hope an alternate fuel source comes around that can still run a vehicle at 300-400 horse power.


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 6843 times:

Quoting 57AZ (reply 18):
You can thank the general focus on the individual than society as a whole for that


Exactly, the general mentality in the US is that, "hey if I can afford the gas for my big guzzler, then who cares what anyone else thinks."



Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
25 Co7772wuh : One of the main reasons oil prices have gone through the roof is dune to the rise in demand fron China and even India . Just a few years ago China was
26 PlanesNTrains : No offense intended, but everyone is pointing out how other nations pay more for fuel, that China, India, etc. are consuming more exponentially, and
27 Isitsafenow : ACAFAN...the ave tax is more then 42 cents. Thats the state tax in Michigan. then theres the federal tax and dont forget the sales tax and in some sta
28 Wdleiser : Doesnt Emirates get free fuel in Dubai, and the EU is angry about that and supposedly thinking about sanctions against EK?
29 Bennett123 : Two questions spring to mind; 1. How long will the petrol last?. 2. How will you power your vehicules when it happens?. Brons2 could be right, people
30 Citjet : Oh you poor Europeans. Your governments need to be giving you your guns, money(enormous taxes), fuel, and other rights BACK. I love Europe, but man o
31 StevenUhl777 : Here's a question for you: When was the last time a new oil refinery opened up in the lower 48 states? If you can't think of who opened it and when, j
32 MoMan : This is exactly what will happen. As fuel supplies diminish, the US gov't will pump billions of dollars each year into developing alternative energy
33 Post contains links ACAfan : 1. Source for state gas taxes: http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/st...stics/gas_taxes_by_state_2002.html 2. I believe the western governments (especi
34 Post contains links ACAfan : Actually the OPEC price can be found here: http://www.opec.org/NewsInfo/DailyBasket/basket.asp
35 F9Animal : Bash the president? I could care less about politics actually. I see the United States Of America in the hands of a Perfectly Normal President. LOL!!
36 Post contains images ANCFlyer : We need to develop alternate fuels - Hydrogen for example. Screw electric vehicles, too slow, no power, no endurance. Got to get the oil companies lob
37 Co7772wuh : Oil and gas prices were even higher in 1980 when Jimmy Carter was president . Ajusted for infation gas was just about $2.80 a gal.. No pun intended to
38 Iberia340600 : I think another thing is that many European airlines "hedge" their fuel so that although it can go both ways....lately they have been getting better
39 NUAir : "When was the last time a new oil refinery opened up in the lower 48 states?" New refineries are irrelevant. Oil product production has continued to i
40 AeroWesty : But since the early to mid-70's the definition of a gas guzzler has changed enormously. When I sat in the gas lines to fill up my family's cars in ex
41 PlanesNTrains : Good for you for taking the bus. I wish I could be one of the good guys who takes the base, but just getting from my home in Auburn to my job in Rent
42 Scotron11 : This is not going to help any airline, especially the ones sitting in bankruptcy. UAL's current business plan to exit bankruptcy this fall is based on
43 NumberTwelve : I also don't like to pay more and more for fuel - but cool down. This is a free market and everybody is allowed to sell products for the price he can
44 Sevenair : I am so sick of paying more and more at the pump for the same stuff awwwwwwww, get the fiddle out! try living in UK, we pay more than pretty much anyo
45 Sebolino : I am so sick of paying more and more at the pump for the same stuff. That's the price to pay when the politic of your gvt for decades is dependance on
46 Art : How about substituting "relatively American" for "relatively normal"? As for fuel, I would like the price to be increased in real terms all the time.
47 GSPSPOT : Why is it in the U.S. that you have to live in a BIG city to realize any benefits of mass transportation? Yes, smaller cities have buses, but they don
48 CasInterest : Well as they have always said... Necessity is the mother of invention. High fuel costs may put a hurt in the pocket books, but it will make alternativ
49 Co7772wuh : I read recently Qatar and a # of major oil compamies are investing billions in Gas to Liquid "LTD" technology . It's a process that converts natural g
50 MoMan : This is very true, but also a common excuse for people who won't ride mass transit anyways. I once asked my co-workers about this and not one of them
51 Sevenair : Oh you poor Europeans. Your governments need to be giving you your guns, money(enormous taxes), fuel, and other rights BACK. I love Europe, but man o
52 Petazulu : Here is the plan: Double the price of Gas up to $5.00 a gallon over the next 12 years through slowly escalating taxes. Finance the war, income tax cut
53 Cornish : Dubai is the only place I've been where they don't even show the price of the petrol outside the garage or on the pumps. It so cheap they don't bother
54 DAYflyer : Ever hear of the Boston Tea Party? It's absolutely ridiculous that the UK has that kind of price on gas due to the government taxation. Smokes and Bo
55 Post contains images Scbriml : The company I work for is heavily involved in this multi-billion $ project. The plan is to convert gas to liquid, ship it across to the US and India,
56 PHLBOS : Moman, A gas guzzler tax already exists on mass-produced cars that fall below 20 mpg combined driving. Most of these taxes are levied on high-end Mer
57 DAYflyer : This is precisely why hybrid cars are begining to emerge in the US as a market force from Toyota, Honda and now GM. They are even developing and launc
58 Cornish : At the moment the electro hybrid cars we've had in the UK, Toyota Prius, Honda Insight, etc have been very expensive. They've not sold well yet - I th
59 Bennett123 : ANCFLYER Do'nt you normally find Oil and Gas together. Do'nt you use Natural Gas already.
60 Post contains links Manu : Here in Canada we are caught half way between the US system and the European system. Our gas was about 95.8c per Litre (May of 2004), which is probabl
61 Rwylie77 : The United States produces 25% of the world greenhouse gases, so forget blaming China just yet!! The best way to get oil prices down is to reduce dema
62 Zkojh : its just one big joke, i think they might have to build planes with a different fuel source!! NZ are planning on giving out out there profit forcast f
63 Isitsafenow : GSPSPOT.... and the small city buslines are subsidized by the state and Uncle SAM. Do you believe a Dial-a-ride system that carries 50,000 people a ye
64 Asteriskceo : Ewww. Screw Oil! Airlines should invest in prop pedal planes. You must pedal to keep the prop rotating; just like in the old days! Steroid prices woul
65 Post contains images Scbriml : Often, but not always. The Qatar North Field is 100% gas with not a drop of oil in sight. Mind you it's big, very, very big - 509 TRILLION cu ft! Tha
66 ANNOYEDFA : $4,500 a year for NY car insurance, $2.11 for Regular gas in NY, $300/month car payment, The thought of the day I no longer need it..... PRICELESS! Ow
67 Ckfred : The upside to high oil prices is that it gives the oil companies extra revenue to spend on oil exploration. When oil got down to $9 a barrel in the mi
68 Alb2atl : We need to stop suburban sprawl and stop driving SUVs! We need to change the way we live - it's as simple as that! (Then there might be more fuel for
69 Sv7887 : Hi All, Actually the 1st Generation Lexus LS400 was the only Luxury car NOT to be assessed the luxury tax. They decided to downgrade the size of the e
70 ACAfan : Dude, you misspelled genius.
71 PyroGX41487 : The United States produces 25% of the world greenhouse gases, so forget blaming China just yet!! I know. It's insulting that our yank-the-chains cowbo
72 Isitsafenow : Sorry ,,,here's a correction to my post #27. Gasoline is $1.41 cents a gal today WITHOUT taxes. safe
73 PHLBOS : PyroGX41487, Before you go blaming Bush, you need to keep in mind that U.S. ratification of the Kyoto Protocol was defeated in the U.S. Senate 95-0! T
74 Tockeyhockey : with two oil men in the white house, did you really think the price of oil was going to drop? why is this surprising to anyone? bush and cheney have f
75 Tockeyhockey : Americans need their cars, beyond New York, there's really none of the other major US cities with a good mass transportation system for the public. y
76 Sv7887 : Hi All, I'd agree about DC, it's really cool..But Boston's is nothing to write home about. I think what our Euro posters don't realize is that things
77 PHLBOS : Tockeyhockey, SEPTA may have a good network but it is shabbily run; they've went on strike at least 7 times in the last 25 to 30 years; 2 of those st
78 CasInterest : What a lot of people forget, is that the Suburbs exist because of the car. Remember, the urban flight of the 50's and 60's. If the price to operate au
79 LAPA_SAAB340 : the entire state of new jersey As a NJ resident, I'd say you have to be joking. Unless you live in the Hudson waterfront, the public transportation sy
80 ANCFlyer : Absolutely it's found together. On Alaska's Arctic Slope, one of the largest oil fields in the world, enough natural gas is burned off every single d
81 Asteriskceo : Yeah "dude" that's the joke.
82 Post contains links WhiteHatter : Don't know how much truth there is in it, but it's not so much gasoline burning that contributes to pollution and the import defecit in the USA as oil
83 Post contains images ACAfan : Got ya
84 OzGlobal : Don't follow this reasoning. NY is the largest city in the US and has a pretty good public transport system. So does Sydney, to give another 'new wor
85 MQrampBOS : I don't complain. Except when I see Venezuela at approx. $0.13 a gallon. Curious how much jet fuel is there. You're kidding about Boston, right? I li
86 Co7772wuh : I feel if the US were to provide mass transit to the entire US , like some people have hinted to in this thread , we would completely ruin the enviorm
87 Tockeyhockey : Tockeyhockey, SEPTA may have a good network but it is shabbily run; they've went on strike at least 7 times in the last 25 to 30 years; 2 of those str
88 Tockeyhockey : Washington DC put in a metro long after its suburbs developed. It's a question of political will and practical necessity vs rampant unsustainable ind
89 AlanUK : To all US citizens who drive SUVs... Stop complaining and start being sensible. The planet's resources will not be endless, no matter how or where you
90 PHLBOS : Tockeyhockey, I have lived in the Delaware Valley for almost 15 years and use the R3 Media/Elwyn line regularly to commute to/from work in Philadelph
91 Lekohawk : A valid point Alan. Let me counter with one of my own, if I may. To all Europeans who complain about Americans... fix the problems in your own countr
92 Eilennaei : "You can waltz around on your moral high-ground all you want, but you're not going to get anything accomplished by admonishing a group of several hund
93 Supa7E7 : Basically it boils down to fuel tax policy. Over here in the USA, we are poorly educated and famously bad at math, so we consume oil in a manner than
94 OzGlobal : Really? Like where?
95 OzGlobal : Options: i) Re-prioritize your values ii) Fail as a civilization iii) Just lighten up and be open to (sassy) dialogue[Edited 2005-02-25 01:44:22]
96 AirbusDriver : I'm willing to burn a few extra gallons because I really love driving my NSX, It's a personal choice that I make, it's my right to drive a car that I
97 DfwRevolution : Ugh stop the SUV bashing, twit. A Toyota Highlander is within 90% of the economy of an Audi A4. The 2006 model should exceed many compact cars in eco
98 Co7772wuh : Well for starers , China ! I have been to China 3 times and will go again in 2 months and have yet to see 1 single family house there with a front an
99 MoMan : Typical yuppie response. Might as well add the 2 SUV's in the driveway. Don't forget about inflation. The house price might double but the dollar val
100 OzGlobal : OK, so you're not including Europe in your statement that people are not allowed to buy and sell real estate and therefore must remain poor. Regardin
101 Co7772wuh : Me , a yuppy ? I don't think so ! When was the last time you saw a yubby fix a 12" inch ductile water main in the middle of a street , 5' feet down ,
102 Tockeyhockey : That is just pure far , far Left wing extremism and propaganda ! The wackos that produce this garbage only represent a very small % of the far left .
103 PHLBOS : True, but the last time I checked, jet fuel and gasoline do come from the same raw source... crude oil. In short, someone using a private jet is usin
104 Co7772wuh : I respectfully disagree . In the US no one will be denied medical care , especially if they're unemployed or poor . With all due respect , if US heal
105 Tockeyhockey : True, but the last time I checked, jet fuel and gasoline do come from the same raw source... crude oil. In short, someone using a private jet is usin
106 MoMan : TockeyHockey, thanks for the support. I need to correct myself, I meant 1.7% ON TOP OF inflation, so there are real gains being made. I was not doggin
107 OzGlobal : Don't see much respect in your response. I'm not going to get into defending the death of thousands of people in the 2003 heatwave, nor am I sure why
108 PHLBOS : Tockeyhockey, A few things here: 1. I wasn't the one on this thread that first mentioned John Kerry, I just clarified the point that not all SUV buyer
109 Co7772wuh : I doubt very much someone believing a statement like that is a Republican or a Democrat . Only an extremist can say or believe something as off the w
110 Post contains links CEO@AFG : Preparing to be flamed... BBC's TopGear, one of the most popular TV-car programs this side of the pond (will come to Discovery Channel in America acco
111 Co7772wuh : Do you live near Osen ? I know there are 4 or 5 Osens in Norway . It is about 2 hours away by car from Trondheim . My mother's family lives there . T
112 DfwRevolution : Gas prices are not crippling the US. People bitch, but then they just insert the debit card and move on with life. Some people think about it when th
113 Post contains links and images MoMan : Read my earlier post. I did not say real estate was worthless, what I said is that the investor class cannot bank on real estate sustaining double di
114 Co7772wuh : Please tell me where you can get a $1,400 a month return on a $10,000 investment ??? My 2 combine rents comes to over $16,000 a year . That plus the
115 BAW2198 : There was one person here in Iowa who had the right idea about alternative fuels. He took his car and was able to make it run on used cooking oil from
116 L-188 : Don't tell that to Ford and their hybrid Escape or Chevy which is test marketing a hybrid 1/2 ton truck.
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