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Smacking Children, Should It Be Banned?  
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

I am a firm believer in smacking children. I was smacked as a child when I did wrong ad am certainly none the worse for it today. I think provided a smack is done by a loving parent or relative, it is a good discipline tool.

I see far too many greedy, spoilt, manipulative children these days and what they are short of is a darn good hiding. I know it is an old-fashioned view these days but I firmly believe it.

I have smacked my nephew on one occasion when he ran out into the road. I wouldnt hesitate to smack any child of my own either.

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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1791 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

Absolutely right, spank em, the brats!


Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

Quoting Orion737 (reply 0):
I see far too many greedy, spoilt, manipulative children these days


Very true. Small children nowadays get 'time-outs' and 'groundings'. Maybe due to the fact that we have too many lawyers now that even children can sue their parents for pain an suffering. Maybe modern parents are either afraid of using corporal punishment to discipline their children or they are just so busy they simply raise their children with money.

I know a few people at my university who are in the second category. All of them smoke, drive expensive cars and are mostly bratty people with awful, abrasive personalities.



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User currently offlineOzvirginuk From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 396 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Orion737,

You are absolutely right. Children, it seems, have way too many "rights" these day. If i was a little brat when I was a kid I got a good hiding. Did me no harm at all. I sure didn't do whatever it was again!!. Nowadays, kids get away with murder! Literally, in my neck of the woods... SE London. Discipline seems to have flown out the window, and it feels like most kids act like little bastards because they know they will get away with it.

I know I sound like an old fart, but we really need to get society back on track with a bit of good old fashioned discipline and bloody good smack when then little shits are misbehaving.

My 2 p.

Oz


User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

You know, it's been proven time and time again that corporal punishment doesn't work and puts a barrier between the punisher and punishee, let alone the fact that it's not right to inflict physical punishment on kids. I was never spanked as a child, or smacked, and I turned out just fine.

Kids who are "getting away with murder" I can guarantee you are getting less than adequate parenting/attention/love, that beatings don't make up for.

Where's the line to be drawn from an "innocent" smack to abuse.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

It´s a crime here to spank youre children and I think its good!! NO children deserves to be spanked/hit or shaken (shaken baby syndrome)

Micke/SE  Angry



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User currently offlineMartinairYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 1209 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

Oh PLEASE SLC1, you sound like those "I wanna give mah kid all he wawnts!" parent..... they need limits and if no other way does it (shouting dosn't do it, that's for sure) give them a smack! I feel sorry for the kids with no-punish parents.... they're gonna turn out spoiled and rotten and nastly like many kids these days  Laugh out loud


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

You are absolutely right. Children, it seems, have way too many "rights" these day. If i was a little brat when I was a kid I got a good hiding.

Children have too many 'rights'?! What pathetic nonsense is this?

All that assault has not only left you with a blood thirsty attitude towards children, but also appalling grammar. Perhaps if your parents bothered to teach you some basic English rather than beat you...?

Discipline does NOT go as far as hitting a child.


User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Quoting MartinairYYZ (reply 6):
they need limits


Yes they do, but I can guarantee you that if you can't limit your children without smacking them around, you ain't gonna be doing it with smacking them around IMHO.

And, btw... I'm not a parent, I'm a college student, so no, I'm not a professional on the matter, but I think it's just common sense.

If you have proper (non-violent) discipline to begin with, there won't even be a condition where violent discipline is even a possibility.

[Edited 2005-02-27 19:10:38]

User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Quoting Flybyguy (reply 2):
Very true. Small children nowadays get 'time-outs' and 'groundings'.

My cousin and his wife do this with their children. Those kids are well adjusted, respectful, and are excelling in school.

Quoting SLC1 (reply 4):
You know, it's been proven time and time again that corporal punishment doesn't work and puts a barrier between the punisher and punishee,....

I was spanked as a child. However, my parents never went overboard. No belts, tree limbs, baseball bats, automatic weapons fire, none of that. Just the minimum to get my attention and realize that my parents meant business. To this day I am still close to my parents, I trust them completely.

Quoting SLC1 (reply 4):
Where's the line to be drawn from an "innocent" smack to abuse.

My opinion: A child should never be spanked to the point were bruises form. The child should never be spanked in front of an audience (that humiliating for the child). Parents should use only their hands (no belts, that's torture).

Having said all this, spanking is not the "silver bullet" to raising well adjusted, law abiding children. The key lies in establishing age appropriate rules for behavior and enforcing those rules fairly and in a consistent manner.


User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Quoting MartinairYYZ (reply 6):
they're gonna turn out spoiled and rotten and nastly like many kids these days


I'm not so pessimistic about children, and anyway---as if they didn't exist 20, 50, and 100 years ago.


User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (reply 9):
I was spanked as a child. However, my parents never went overboard. No belts, tree limbs, baseball bats, automatic weapons fire, none of that. Just the minimum to get my attention and realize that my parents meant business. To this day I am still close to my parents, I trust them completely.


That's very good, all I'm saying is that corporal punishment does nothing to create that punishment, and statistically it can create a distance in the relationship - whether temporary or permanent.


User currently offlineOzvirginuk From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 396 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

777236ER,

I assure you my friend, I was NEVER assaulted. Furthermore, there is absolutely nothing wrong with my grammar. And I certainly do not have a blood thirsty attitude towards anyone.

When I was a child, which really wasn't all that long ago, the majority of parents disciplined children by smacking. However, this was not necessarily the first resort, but usually the last.

You really only need to look at the difference in behaviour of children these days to see that discipline is severely lacking. Smacking is only 1 form of discipline. But perhaps if it, or indeed, any other discipline was used more regularly, then maybe we might live in a society where children were a bit better behaved.

These children will also grow up with better prospects, if they are taught at a young age how to behave acceptably.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (reply 1):
Absolutely right, spank em, the brats!


not quite related to smoking, but:

You'll regret every time you hit a child a thousand times.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

An occasional smack on the butt is an instant attention getter.

I don't condone beating kids, and that "Time-out" crap is exactly that. So what, time out . . . have to sit for a few minutes, big flippin deal.

A quick, moderate smack on the ass is necessary.

Nothing will take the place of parental attention, caring, guidance however.


User currently offlinePilot kaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

I think at a young age no.. But as a child grows older and starts to show there attitude it depends....

If they like to make trouble.. Cause un-happiness to another person then yes.. But Not something stupid like pinning them up to a wall and smacking them around.

I also don't agree with adults thinking they have the right to constantly Hit children just because they are not in agreence with them. At an older age of 15 teenager seem to have more of an opinion on things and should be entitled to it. Its all part of growing up.

I also don't agree that parents with small tempers and violence shouldn't be allowed custody of a child. Violence encourages them to be violent themselves.

Just remember Everyone is entitled to there own opinion especially on this topic.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

Perhaps the thread title should be changed to:
"State interference in parenting - should it be banned?"

I'm sorry but I am of vastly better character than the city, county, state or Federal governments where I reside and therefore the better judge of how a child should be raised. I would spirit a child out of the country before I'd yield control to a bunch of criminal politicians. You should feel the same way.

I am somewhat handicapped by having only raised two children to adulthood. That is not a great deal of experience, but it is MORE THAN TWICE as much experience as raising only one child. (With one child - they did it. With two children and both deny it - you have to figure it out. Ten times a day for twenty years.)

If you will not discipline your children, life WILL. And life will discipline them severely and without any love. But by all means, you make the call.

I did not spank my daughter. I had to spank my son. It was dictated by who they were - and not, I believe, by who I made of them. My son overtly and covertly was a handful; my daughter was basically good, but secretive. I never found out the things she did.

My children are adults now, and I have three grandchildren. Though I love her dearly, my daughter is a burden on society and my son is a good citizen. I don't really think it had anything to do with whether or not I found it necessary to spank them. It is just who they are.

My son wrote me a letter a couple of years ago, thanking me for the way I raised him. His letter brought tears to my eyes. My daughter has yet to say thank you for anything.


Quoting SLC1 (reply 4):
You know, it's been proven time and time again that corporal punishment doesn't work and puts a barrier between the punisher and punishee, let alone the fact that it's not right to inflict physical punishment on kids.


Absolute horse dung!
Nothing of the kind has ever been proven!

It might be "suggested" by research. You might believe it. Someone might write a book and go on Oprah based on that claim but "proof" is something else entirely. As I see you are headed toward a bachelor of ARTS degree, go ask one of your friends who is headed for a bachelor of SCIENCE.

Proof requires absolute exclusion of anything that can contaminate the results. Raising children is sociology and it IS NOT an exact science. There are probably more variables than there are stable data in the mixture of influences that make us who we are as adults. It is simply not possible to prove that corporal punishment is anything more than one of the factors - if it is indeed a factor and not just an anecdote.

You believe it because you choose to believe it. It probably goes along with you calling yourself a "liberal" as the FIRST descriptor in your profile.

Hey, no big thing. I can't prove that your views are wrong, but you absolutely cannot claim that anything, anything at all has been "proven" in raising children. Even actual abuse is but one factor. The aforementioned Oprah was sexually abused by relatives as a child. Maybe that is why she is such a failure. Oh, wait! She is one of the world's wealthiest and most admired women. Well, there went that piece of "proof."



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User currently offlineXpat From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

"Spare the rod and spoil the child." I think the line between spanking a child and abusing a child is being blurred over here.

I was spanked countless times. I didn't grow up to be a criminal or a serial killer and in fact, I have a very close relationship with my parent.



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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Quoting Pilot kaz (reply 15):
I also don't agree with adults thinking they have the right to constantly Hit children just because they are not in agreence with them. At an older age of 15 teenager seem to have more of an opinion on things and should be entitled to it. Its all part of growing up.


Exactly. The last spanking I received was probably around the age of eight or nine. At that point, my parents used grounding. I remember those more than the spankings. By the time I reached 15, boy did I have opinions!  Innocent However, at that stage in my life, I had learned a bit about appropriate behavior, and my parents were willing to let me make my own mistakes.

At the age of 26, I've realized that my parents really weren't as dumb as I thought they were!

Quoting Xpat (reply 17):
I think the line between spanking a child and abusing a child is being blurred over here.

I would say it's the definition of abuse that is being blurred over here. These days if a parent swats their kids behind, even once, they have the police on their doorstep soon afterward.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

I assure you my friend, I was NEVER assaulted

And a child who can barely talk can make the semantic difference between a smack and an assault? What IS the difference? If you can up and hit me across the legs, you'd be charged and convicted for assault.

And I certainly do not have a blood thirsty attitude towards anyone

Except towards the 'misbehaving little shits' who need a 'bloody good smack.'

You really only need to look at the difference in behaviour of children these days to see that discipline is severely lacking.

Bullshit. Children have always been rebelious. You think because you see some kids smoking and swearing at adults that shows a significant change in juvenile attitude? Rubbish.

These children will also grow up with better prospects, if they are taught at a young age how to behave acceptably.

I was never assaulted, and I'm a perfectly happy member of society with a first class degree and a great job.


User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

jeez, Slamclick, chill

Quoting SlamClick (reply 16):
Nothing of the kind has ever been proven!


OK, it's been VERY WELL suggested by research, and corporal punishment has little if any evidence on its side

Quoting SlamClick (reply 16):
"liberal" as the FIRST descriptor in your profile.


actually, there are a lot of other descriptors before that, and I choose to say liberal because there are a lot of conservatives on here, and people might like to know, especially considering that I come from Utah, so I make it clear I'm not a typical Utahn. I'm not a nazi-liberal, (I'm leaning pro-life btw).

Quoting SlamClick (reply 16):
The aforementioned Oprah was sexually abused by relatives as a child. Maybe that is why she is such a failure. Oh, wait! She is one of the world's wealthiest and most admired women.


So you're saying that her sexual abuse was good/helped her become wealthy??? A does not necessarily lead to B, just as A' does not necessarily lead to B'. There are factors. Difficulties are imposed, such as abuse, that hinder progress, and can be overcome. That doesn't mean we shouldn't avoid those things.

Edit: Hopefully I'm more coherent now.

[Edited 2005-02-27 20:16:09]

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

My parents spanked my older brother once, and right away had a bad conscience about it, and never did it again, and when I was born, never did it to me...did I turn out to be a bad child? No, I don't think so. When I start a family in the future, I also will not spank my kids, as I think its plain wrong and unnecessary...

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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

my parents never hit me, or really punished me. They grounded me once last year and said I couldnt leave the house... so me being the genius I am invited about 15 people over haha that was a good night.. But anyway I think I turned out pretty well..

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

Are you friggin' kidding me?!

I call for the inverse:
parents should retain the express right to knock the living f^ck out of their kids from time to time.


User currently offlineDaedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

Children need that ass tapped when they get out of line. Plain and simple. There is no talking it out with a 5 year old.


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25 SLC1 : oh yeah that's really nice
26 AGC525 : As usual people take it to extreme. When I was a kid my mom would give me a good crack and straighten me out. Now if my dad had to do it, it was bad.
27 Post contains images SlamClick : Or what? You'll spank me? Send me to my room? Actually I stay pretty close to isothermal. Okay, it was the very first word in "Other" in your profile
28 JetService : There's a difference between swatting a kid in the ass and wailing on him. Me thinks you folks are perceiving 'spanking' differently.
29 Post contains images SWA TPA : Ok, I got the crap knocked out of me as a kid if I so much as looked as my parents wrong. Let me just say I was an angel child! I admit my dad went a
30 57AZ : Corporal punishment is perfectly fine and legal as long as it is not excessive (to the point of physically harming the child). Corporal punishment wor
31 Ryangooner : Well i assure you that in the eyes of the law you WERE assaulted!!! Im all for legal chastisement - but there is a line............ Ryan
32 Sprout5199 : I agree. I have spanked my oldest duaghter once. ONE swat, not very hard. She hit her sister much harder than I spanked her. I felt the old saying "t
33 Post contains images SLC1 : I think we've chilled SlamClick I think we were arguing over something trying to prove the same point. I secretly want to. I don't agree with spanking
34 ANCFlyer : Here! Here! Absolutely! Had a similar incident on an AS flight LAX-ANC about ten years ago. Little bastard was running in aisles, playing with the ca
35 Post contains images SLC1 : ANCFlyer, nothing pisses me off more than out of control kids Thank you
36 Bill142 : When my friend picks his son up from day care he says to him "So who do you want to belt you today, mummy or daddy" and the looks he gets from the oth
37 ANCFlyer : As a general rule, I despise kids . . . all kids, any kids, your kids, his kids, their kids, other kids . . . . just kids . . . can't stand 'em. It's
38 Racko : If you have to hurt your child in order to get their attention, you have failed as a parent. Period. What's the message of smacking children? "If you
39 Orion737 : It seems my thread has caused quite a stir. I still maintain that a loving smack is a good way of disciplining a child. There are times when a short,
40 777236ER : I still maintain that a loving smack is a good way of disciplining a child. There is no such thing as a loving assault. There are times when a short,
41 Orion737 : 777236ER. I take great exception to what you have said. I would think carefully about describing someone as a 'child beater' for smacking their child.
42 Sprout5199 : This post is so much BS. I will raise my children how I feel is best. Do I beat them NO, do I let them do what they want NO. Do I put up with screamin
43 QANTASFOREVER : lol Okay - father of twin three year olds is chiming in: When you are at a supermarket and have two blessed little blonde angels yelling, screaming, f
44 Sprout5199 : I AGREE Dan in Jupiter
45 777236ER : 777236ER. I take great exception to what you have said. I would think carefully about describing someone as a 'child beater' for smacking their child.
46 QANTASforever : Smacking should be painless, not leave a mark, not cause any sort of damage to your child at all. Assault causes harm. That is the distinction.
47 777236ER : Smacking should be painless, not leave a mark, not cause any sort of damage to your child at all. Assault causes harm. That is the distinction. If sma
48 Orion737 : And most people are able to recognise that distiction.
49 QANTASforever : lol the point of smacking was NEVER to inflict pan. Never never ever!! The point is to painlessly remind the child in a physical way that their behav
50 ShyFlyer : Where discipline is concerned, assault is the use of tools or weapons to inflict great bodily harm, injury, or emotional injury (i.e. shaming a child
51 777236ER : lol the point of smacking was NEVER to inflict pan. Never never ever!! The point is to painlessly remind the child in a physical way that their behavi
52 QANTASforever : Think of it like swatting a mosquito on yourself - that kinda smack. And I think you'll find this is how a lot of people smack their child. Most pare
53 Matt D : If you're uncomfortable spanking them, then give them a quick, hard blow to the kidneys and let them go about their business. Then, as they pee out bl
54 Adam : I think you should have the right to discipline your child how you see fit, as long as you don't cross the line to abuse, and as a parent, and um, a h
55 Sprout5199 : But if they were hitting another person or biting them it would be justified. There is something as justified force. And as an adult you know better
56 777236ER : Think of it like swatting a mosquito on yourself - that kinda smack. What exactly does that do to a child? How does it tell them to stop? as long as y
57 ANCFlyer : Exactly . . . . experience is the best educator. Letting little Johnny or Little Janey throw a fit in the local grocery is completely unacceptable. T
58 777236ER : A few spankings early on might have prevented this. A few spankings early on might have gotten their attention. A few spankings early on might have sa
59 ANCFlyer : I agree. And correct parenting means not being so righteous as to believe that spanking is assault. And correct parenting means being involved in you
60 Sprout5199 : what do you call correct parenting? Do you have children? THERE IS NO CORRECT PARENTING. what works for me will not work for anyother parent. All you
61 ANCFlyer : Answer: Yes I have children. Anyone responding to this thread that have no children have no dog in the hunt, are speaking out of ignorance and should
62 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Exactly what is it that you find humorous? Smacking IS meant to inflict pain. When my dad or the principle at school (private school) spanked me, it
63 Post contains images Allstarflyer : A firm pat on the backside is meant only for the significant other. Smack 'em! -R
64 Allstarflyer : SMACK, SMACK, SMACK "What? You still wanna smart off at me, kid?!" SMACK!
65 Aerorobnz : There is nothing wrong with a smack on the backside. My parents smacked me perhaps twice in my entire childhood, but when they did it was for a good r
66 Sprout5199 : Thats not what I am saying at all. All I am saying is after its all said and done you have a "good" kid. Theres people out there that abuse their kid
67 DeskPilot : We tried smacking our son when he was a toddler, but found it didn't help. It didn't solve the problem at the time, and it left us with a bad feeling
68 Post contains images Falcon84 : I would never "smack" my children, as it were-that is hit them in the face, or anywhere else but on the butt. Spanking is fine by me, since I think it
69 QANTASFOREVER : It was an exclamation of irony, not humour. And no, smacking should not in my opinion inflict pain. Smacking is a last resort when one wishes to corr
70 Allstarflyer : Deterrence. It's what the law is supposed to do when administering justice (but, of course, in the USA, at least, people get away with all sorts of st
71 ANCFlyer : I have never really "Spanked" my daughter, it's not necessary. . . . since I practices what I preached earlier in this thread . . . . the discipline
72 Allstarflyer : Might want to tell that to my parents, ANC. Dad (a cool vet himself - just checking out your profile there) spanked me when I needed it, and I probab
73 Post contains links Duke : I would outlaw spankng and all kinds of degrading and draconian punishment. I have little time to write about why, but here is a good website that dis
74 N317AS : Anyone watch Airline tonight? The two kids and the parents who got taken off one flight and put on the next one because the brats wouldn't stop scream
75 ANCFlyer : WN just went up a couple notches in my book. I'd have given the little shits something to scream about - "want to scream, here let me swat that ass o
76 N317AS : The scary part is the kids kept screaming on the next flight and the parents got an apology fron WN for the incovenience of having to switch flights.
77 ANCFlyer : When I'm airborne, and there is an unruly child - as you see in my reply #34 - I have NO problem having an less than friendly conversation with the pa
78 Post contains images Willo : Yes, children have always been rebellious. Now though it is not only is it lack of discipline, it is lack of respect. When I was a kid, we were littl
79 Post contains images 777236ER : I don't have an English deegree Adequate punishment does not go as far as assault, and smacking is assault, as no one really seems to be able to disti
80 Dreamer : This is sad reading, I shiver when I read most of these posts. I got to say, anyone who smacks a child, especially someone who is not their own, is a
81 Duke : Nicely put, Dreamer. By the way, the pro-spanking camp needs to know the positive disciplinary alternatives. Can you tell us how Norwegian (and Swedis
82 FDXMECH : >>>Can you tell us how Norwegian (and Swedish etc. as anyone else can tell us) non-spanking parents constructively discipline?
83 Dreamer : Duke, There are many techniques and they all work pretty well, not all work for all children as they all have different personalities. Some need more
84 777236ER : I can. They swat their kids fanny when big brother aint weatching. I was never smacked, yet am a productive member of society.
85 FDXMECH : >>>I was never smacked, yet am a productive member of society.
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