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Global Aid "Failing Poor Nations"  
User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4305169.stm

They seem to believe the "richer" nations arent doing enough to help the poorer ones. I find that interesting.

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1637 times:

I'll take "Laying on a guilt trip to get more free money" for $1000 Alex.

Who gives a rat's arse if aid is "Tied". What is wrong in saying that if you want to spend my money you are doing it in my country?



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

I have mixed emotions on "helping"; on one hand I truely believe in offering a helping hand when I can, and practice so personally. On the other hand, I am suspiscious of "the dole" because all too often aid is distributed to those in need through corrupt governments and other specious vehicles and it never eventually reaches those who are designated benificiaries.

One wonders, too, why "undedeveloped" regions, counties, etc are underdeveloped. Probably because of the power regimes who find it far more comfortable to stay in power for their own personal reasons rather than let the populace experience any education or freedom of choice, which would eventually lead to a far better overall society.

So, IMHO, it's double-edged sword. Help them, then you are an "invader" or an "imperialist" or are trying impose your values on their society. Don't help them and you are a non-caring superior who won't contribute (unless, of course, you can realize a monetary or geo-political benifit).

I'll help the guy or girl down the street or in the next county first, thank you.
Regards...Jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

Quoting Cptkrell (reply 2):
One wonders, too, why "undedeveloped" regions, counties, etc are underdeveloped. Probably because of the power regimes who find it far more comfortable to stay in power for their own personal reasons rather than let the populace experience any education or freedom of choice, which would eventually lead to a far better overall society.



Yup, which is why a lot of contries when they give aid, put on those restrictions that the article is gripping about.



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User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Agree, L-188. Reminds me of a thread aways back when some chastised the USA for demanding restrictions. I feel that restrictions are an absolute necessity (presupposing, of course, that they can be enforced). Is your donation actually going to help feed a child, or is it going to clean up the child to be nicer looking for the next rape or serve filet and lobster to the grande poo-bah while he preaches that AIDS is a developed-world plot?

On the surface, items in the published "report" linked in the thread-starter deserve investigation, but I have the funny feeling that the "richer nations" are slowly becoming more observant nations. My personal generosity towards documented non-progress in such cases has evaporated to near-zero in the last four or so decades. Regards...Jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

My gripe exactly, if a bigger nation goes in to help, its considered invading the country, or sticking your nose where it doesnt belong.

But on the other hand, if you dont help, your being selfish and not doing your part as a "bigger" nation. Its like, what do you want??

My thought is, start worrying about fixing the problems yourself and stop crying because the bigger countries or nations arent doing their part.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

These nations remain poor after decades of BILLIONS in aid. They remain poor not because of a lack of compassion, but because of a lack of CAPITALISM.

Economic freedom is essential. The rest is academic.

I'm tired of the collective guilt trip as well. The US has a lot of faults, but ingratitude isn't one of them. We could do without the self-flaggellating elitists who want to make themselves sleep better at night by shaking down "rich" nations.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

These nations remain poor after decades of BILLIONS in aid. They remain poor not because of a lack of compassion, but because of a lack of CAPITALISM.

Also a lack of democracy & rule of law.

I say cut them off completely. However, end farm subsidies in the West to enable the 3rd world to access Western markets.



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User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

Quoting Slider (reply 6):
These nations remain poor after decades of BILLIONS in aid. They remain poor not because of a lack of compassion, but because of a lack of CAPITALISM.


You have a valid point... though I don't believe lack of capitalism is the problem... probably too much of it is. Firstly, many of these poor countries have no anti-corruption schemes to curb aid money from ending up in the pockets of corrupt politicians and warlords. Secondly, poor countries' people lack self-dependence. They seem to depend on their governments for everything and just keep popping out babies to make matters worse.

Look at the Japanese, Indians, and Chinese. They all built something out of nothing. All of them went from the "stone age" to the "tech age" in mere decades.

I think this rapid development is also due to heavy government spending on science and engineering educational programs, foreign university scholarships etc. When their children return home from studies abroad they return with new prospectives and better skills to develop their respective nations.

Meanwhile back in various African countries all we see is flies and famine... famine and flies. The more money we shovel into these countries the more they seem to be worst off. I think we should start giving these "financial blackholes" an ultimatum... you better start developing or you could kiss all future assistance goodbye. I'm sick and tired of turning on my television only to save more poor nations from their self-inflicted suffering.



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