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User currently offlineSchreiner From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 960 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4889 times:

I want to buy new loudspeakers. What do you recommend? I want tm use it mainly for music (from pop to classical) and maybe I want surround sound (if i do, i will use the Bose123 2 speaker surround sound)... So... its the Bose123 or an other system you can recommend.

Budget: 2000 dollar.

Thanks for any advice!

Cheers,
Schreiner


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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4876 times:

Go do yourself a favour and try some other brands...Bose as well as JBL are terrible!! Sorry to say so, and of course, as always it is a question of personal taste, but both manufacturers you've mentioned are well-known for outfitting discos or clubs or whatever you want to call it and live venues. And that is exactly how their hifi equipment sounds: Rumbling basses, "hissy" high notes and non-existent middle ranges.

Just for comparison: Try a B&W or any other British loudspeaker (B&W should be easiest to find), just try it, and if necessary, use a Subwoofer (if you want to damage your ears at all costs), and you should be able to stay inside your price range.

If you are into US sound, try the new Infinity speakers, they actually start sounding good now.

There are also some good German brands, that give you a sound that might be attractive to your ears, but I'm afraid it'll kill your budget!

Hope that helps!



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

Dunno, but if wrestling was real, then JBL's clothesline from hell would be pretty sore I would think  Big grin


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User currently offlineSchreiner From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4856 times:

Thanks Andreas: ive seen the B&W website. Nice band indeed. But why would I need a subwoofer for? I use it mainly for music. Is a subwoofer not horrible for just a CD or music play? Ive got a Sony amplifier so more money for speakers would be stupid no?


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User currently offlinePilotJmartin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

I agree B&W are the best, I love them, top of the line.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

Schreiner:
If you have $2000 to spend on speakers, don't waste it on Bose or JBL.

Brands I'd recommend:
Tanny
Totem Acoustics
Bowers & Wilkins


http://www.tannoy.com/ResOverview

http://www.totemacoustic.com/english/index_eng.htm

http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/global.main


We're discussed this before here. Bose has a good marketing campaign but that's about it. I have an extra pair of Bose speakers that were given to me. They are not good speakers for what they originally cost.
Bose and JBL make good speakers for GM and Ford automobiles but that's about it.


Go to your nearest hi-end audiophile store and hear for yourself.

May I ask, what kind of turntable are you using?



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4836 times:

Harman Kardon.

Absolutely superb stuff, I've got a HK sound setup on my main PC and it's streets ahead of anything similar. Their home stuff is equally well regarded.

http://www.harmankardon.com/

Now part of the JBL group.


User currently offlineSchreiner From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

Well, I want to have SL1200's but its not for that purpose  Big grin, its for my CD's mostly... radio/tv/pc will connect also.

I dont think BOSE is that expensive; 400 dollar for the whole system. Normally you have to pay that for just one speaker.

Thanks for the advice, I'll have a look... but is a B&W or Harman usefull if I have a sony amplifier?

Cheers,
Schreiner

[Edited 2005-03-02 00:40:22]


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User currently offlineSchreiner From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

What about:

www.mordaunt-short.co.uk

www.monitoraudio.com

?



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4803 times:

Schreiner:
Technics 1200 should only be used for broadcasting/DJ purposes only. I have one and it sounds good and all. I like it for recording mix tapes because the platter gets up to full speed so fast. It's ideal for records that don't have much space between songs.



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

The very best turntables for vinyl are probably the EMT ones that the BBC use when they need to play vinyl.

Hard to find and outrageously priced, but if you can stumble on one second hand grab it. They last forever.

http://www.shawsounds.com/vinyl_lps___45s


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4796 times:

My random sound system consists of two B&W speakers now used as surround speakers, one Pioneer centre speaker that I hardly ever use and two Tannoy main speakers. I can only recommend all of them, they are good value for money and make me smile each time I hear the crappy sound of your average mini-speaker.

Just for the hell of it, take a look at Bang & Olufsen. Then take a look at the price tag!  Laugh out loud

Edit: The Tannoys are Mercury M3s.

[Edited 2005-03-02 02:02:12]


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Aloges:
Just for the hell of it, take a look at Bang & Olufsen. Then take a look at the price tag!


They are a joke!
The BeoGram 6000 and 2000 turntables were nice but that's about it. You can pick those turntable up dirt cheap now because the replacement stylus are so expensive and are only sold by them.

The few people I've met that has Bang & Olufsen stereos aren't serious music listeners. Then tend to like smooth jazz and top 40 music.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

Really? I thought people who dish out that kind of money for a sound system at least try to get as much out of it as they put into it. Or have B&Os turned into fashion items people just buy for the hell of it?

I for one would love to hear Tori Amos' voice ("I can't see New York", e.g.) reproduced by a B&O earphone, the only thing they make I might be able to buy in the not-sooo-distant future.

The real treat would however be getting one of my father's classical records out and putting that Thorens turntable of his to work. I love the simplicity and perfection of that thing.



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User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4755 times:

Also take a look at Speakers by Jamo. I believe they are from Sweden. That's what we have in our house, and I love them!

Regards



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Bang & Olufson??????????????????????? You must be kidding *vomit*

Listen to those EUR 5,000 B&O...err...sound objects or whatever one might call it, then use a USD 300 mini-hifi to compare, and you'll find the cheap mini-hifi strangely good-sounding  Big grin Big grin

Schreiner: Subwoofers are for bass freaks. Since you took JBL and Bose into consideration, I thought you are one of those  Big grin

I do not think it is necessary, I love B&W bass, very precise, dry, just the way I love it, so no, you don't really need that one.

Sony and B&W...why not?? Try it..as opposed to certain opinions on the www, I believe B&W are rather uncritical, I use Rotel Silver Line to power my B&Ws, not too much power but full sound even when listening at low volume, besides, I do not believe in this speaker "belonging" to that amp.

Never forget: Forget all those test reports, you've got the best (and the only relevant) testing instruments right with you all the time (at least I hope so Big grin)...your ears. Use your ears, and you'll end up with exactly the speakers that suit your taste best!



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4739 times:

Celestion branded speakers are always worth a look.

Celestion do the actual speakers in many high-end hifi and musician systems, so they have plenty of experience in high powered sound delivery.

I recently had a look at these
http://ws1.richersounds.com/showprod...a=showproduct&pid=CELE-AVF302-GLAS


User currently offlineSchreiner From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4735 times:

Thanks again for all the info. But what do you think about the BOSE123 system? Surrond from just 2 speakers. Guess they are also quite good in stereo music play?

Cheers,
Schreiner



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

Aloges:
Really? I thought people who dish out that kind of money for a sound system at least try to get as much out of it as they put into it.


One would think but that's not the case. They are the faux mansions of stereos. They are the car-based SUV of stereos. It's all about looks yet has no functionaity and marginal build quality.




Or have B&Os turned into fashion items people just buy for the hell of it?

Yep!
Always were but more so today. They are made to look pretty in a downtown converted residential loft.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7961 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4706 times:

Quoting Andreas (reply 1):
There are also some good German brands, that give you a sound that might be attractive to your ears, but I'm afraid it'll kill your budget!


This one doesn't: Audio Physic Yara. http://www.audiophysic.de/produkte/yara/index_e.html
~ EUR 1500 (pair)



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4701 times:

Nil Bass, these ones...absolutely nil! That goes for Spark and Virgo, too!

Avanti is great, but there is that frigging budget problem again.

Plus: Audio Physics is a speaker manufacturer that just loves to couple them with tube amps, using a Sony transistor will just take away further bass power.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

Meh... Now I know why I don't know anyone who owns B&O stuff, or an SUV, for that matter.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4692 times:

LOL Aloges!  Smile

None of these people are close friends. These were acquaintances and/or co-workers.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4688 times:

Oh, I'm sure you'd be the last person to hang out with them, and there's no need for a  Big grin this time.


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User currently offlineSchreiner From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4682 times:

Thanks again for all the info. But what do you think about the BOSE123 system? Surrond from just 2 speakers. Guess they are also quite good in stereo music play?

Cheers,
Schreiner



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25 Post contains links and images NoUFO : Andreas, is that so? How about Nubert ( http://www.nubert.de crappy website, btw) then? I came across an article published in Die Zeit ( http://www.ze
26 Aloges : To be honest, I can't see how this "surround from two speakers" thing could work. There certainly is a lot technology and engineering can do to make i
27 NoUFO : Have to second Aloges. This entire Surround stuff may be something you don't like anyway. One musician told me that a sound coming from behind inevita
28 Post contains links and images Superfly : NoUFO: While this may be nice for DVD and "home entertainment", it's unnecessary for HiFi Unless of course you are listening to a Quadraphonic system
29 Post contains images Aloges : No, not at all. I'm not that old! As for quadraphonic: my receiver has a feature that sends part of the audio signal to my two rear speakers. It has
30 Post contains images Andreas : Nobby, I know Nubert, of course...unfortunately, I never found a shop where I can cross-listen to Nubert and other speaker brands without being thrown
31 Post contains images NoUFO : Well, Schreiner could send those speakers back on the company's costs. He wouldn't even need to carry them to the next post office. And doesn't sound
32 Aa777flyer : I have Boston Acoustics (Fronts/Surround/Center). I have a KEF subwoofer. Very happy with all!
33 Post contains images Schreiner : Well. You all make it very tough to make a decision. I think I've made up my mind on some things: I want SMALL stereo speakers. Somelike the BOSE Acou
34 Post contains images Andreas : Well first of all, go to Saturn, not the red ones, "don't be stupid" , prices are mostly higher at MM. As for speakers like B&W, no, you'll have to go
35 Schreiner : There I am again... Still not decided! :| I've seen some "Monitor Audio" speakers. They are quite good compared to price I've heard. Now I am wonderin
36 Post contains images Schreiner : Hmm, guess no-one has an answer to my question above? I asume the Germans haven't read it yet? Please help me out here... its a huge amount of money f
37 JRowson : I've got a pair of B&W speakers, and i simply have no reason to change them. They are some of the best hifi quality speakers i've come across. Prior t
38 Post contains images Andreas : Hi there, sorry didn't see it right away! Ok, why more than one bass speaker: Quite easy to answer really: When it comes to bass, there are 2 magical
39 NoUFO : Right. Floorstanding speakers with only one woofer often don't deliver enough bass. Although neighbours always hear the low frequencies, they (the bas
40 Schreiner : Alright... thanks for the advice, it will take me a few weeks i guess, but then I will let you know! Thanks to the germans!
41 Post contains images Andreas : Schreiner it took me at least 2 months to find my speakers, was a bit easier to find the electronics, but then.....anyway have fun! Listening to diffe
42 Qantas077 : don't forget to checkout the cerwin vega range, they are among the best speakers your ears will ever have the pleasure of hearing!
43 FlyVirgin744 : You can buy a receiver that will make any two speakers turn into surround, the BOSE is a just a marketing gimmick. Many stereo receivers offer this fu
44 Andreas : I may be mistaken, but isn't Cerwin vega a manufacturer for live concert equipment? I know a lot of international top acts use Cerwin equipment on th
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