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Freedom Fighting Hezbollah Backs Syria  
User currently offlineN5176Y From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

Hezbollah Declares Full Support for Syria
By HASSAN M. FATTAH

Published: March 6, 2005


BEIRUT, Lebanon, March 6 - The Lebanese guerrilla group Hezbollah declared its full support for Syria today, presenting a direct challenge to opposition groups after Syria promised to gradually withdraw troops from Lebanon.

Hezbollah's leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, spoke to reporters today in his stronghold in southern Beirut, breaking weeks of relative silence over the crisis concerning Syria's presence in Lebanon. He called for Lebanese to "express their gratitude" to Syria by joining a demonstration on Tuesday against United Nations Resolution 1559, which calls for Syria's withdrawal and Hezbollah's disarmament

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/06/international/middleeast/06cnd-syria.html

So much for the freedom fighters!

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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

So, BA, your friends Hezbollah support the occupation of your country. How 'bout them apples, eh? Where does that put you, my friend?

User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

So, BA, your friends Hezbollah support the occupation of your country. How 'bout them apples, eh? Where does that put you, my friend?

All he cares about is their position on Israel......


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1725 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1028 times:

Yeah, that is rather revealing isn't it. I wonder if the Lebanese people are going to figure out that government doesn't work very well if you allow the political parties to have armies of there own.


WhaleJets Rule!
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1014 times:

In a democracy, you have the right to express your viewpoint and take any position you'd like.

I don't agree with Hezbollah, but it is their choice and their followers decision if they choose to side with Syria.

Hezbollah is only one of a number of other Lebanese political parties who have sided with Syria.

Others include AMAL and the Syrian Socialist Nationalist Party.

On Tuesday, Hezbollah will be holding a massive rally in support of Syria just as the opposition have been holding rallies against Syria.

As long as the demonstration remains peaceful, they have every right to hold it just as the the opposition holds their rallies.

Let me quote this:

The Lebanese opposition movement has lacked large numbers of Shiites, who account for a plurality of Lebanon's 4 million people. But the movement's leaders said Sunday they were heartened by Nasrallah's call for peaceful demonstrations and promises to respect political differences.

"In the end we are calling for a democratic country, and so these demonstrations should be allowed," said Ghattas Khoury, a member of parliament who belongs to Hariri's legislative bloc. "If they win the elections, we will go along with them. If we win, then they should go along with us."


If we're going to start censoring out groups because of their political positions, then WHERE is the democracy?

I don't agree with them, I believe in a complete total Syrian withdrawl from Lebanon but THEY are entitled to their viewpoints and their stance.

Does that answer your question Falcon84?



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4518 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

Interesting...I read that hezbollah were slated to possibly join the opposition, seeing as how their future (at least armed) existence would not be in the cards with the removal of Syria.

God Bless Lebanon.



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 984 times:

Quoting BA (reply 4):
Hezbollah is only one of a number of other Lebanese political parties who have sided with Syria.


BA, I hate to break this to you, but your beloved Hezbollah is nothing more than a bunch of terrorists . . . not a political party.

I truly hope this doesn't spell a backward fall for the progress being made in Lebanon recently.

Why do you suppose the Hezbollah backs the Syrian occupiers? Suppose the criminal Syrian government has been backing the Hezbollah all along, and now it's payback time.

That would be my guess. . . . .

Quoting BA (reply 4):
As long as the demonstration remains peaceful, they have every right to hold it just as the the opposition holds their rallies.


I wouldn't take even odds on this in the best casino in Vegas.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 981 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (reply 5):
Interesting...I read that hezbollah were slated to possibly join the opposition, seeing as how their future (at least armed) existence would not be in the cards with the removal of Syria.


Yes, for the past two weeks they were debating whether to side with Syria or side with the opposition.

Yesterday they finally stated their position.

Also if I read correctly, they want a Syrian withdrawl, but not right now.

They also want Syria to pullout in an honorly manner and not a humiliating manner. This I think is respectful to say the least...

Like I said, they are entitled to their viewpoint just as everyone else in Lebanon is entitled to their viewpoint.

It really is no surprise why the majority of the Shias support the Syrian presence and influence in Lebanon.

The Shias are the majority sect making up about 32% of the population and in general, they are not treated as well as the Christians, Druze, and Sunnis. They also lack power for their percentage of the population.

They are afraid that with the end to Syrian influence, they will further lose their power in Lebanon.

There are also many who think Lebanon is too weak and vulnerable without the Syrians.

Ultimately I think a compromise will be reached to satisfy BOTH sides, the opposition and the Syrian supporters.

I think you'll see a complete Syrian withdrawl and an end to external political interference and in return the Shias will be given a little more power. Perhaps the Speaker of Parliament (who has to be a Shia) will be given more power.

Time will tell. I pray that everything remains peaceful.

I know there was a minor shooting by some crazy Baathist dumbasses, I hope they get punished...

That New York Times article is a good read. It explains the situation quite well.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 980 times:

I accept your answer BA, but I find one thing strange:

You scream, bitch, yell, wail and cry over the Palestinians being "occupied" by Israel, but you act almost as if it's no big deal that Syria actually occupies part of the country you snow in your profile?

Why not scream and wail over that, my friend? Or, do you have a double standard here?


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 977 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (reply 8):
You scream, bitch, yell, wail and cry over the Palestinians being "occupied" by Israel, but you act almost as if it's no big deal that Syria actually occupies part of the country you snow in your profile?

Why not scream and wail over that, my friend? Or, do you have a double standard here?


Falcon84, I have stated my position. I do NOT support and I have never supported the Syrian presence in Lebanon and for years I have said it's time for Syria to pull out.

If I was in Lebanon right now, I would have joined the many anti-Syria rallies.

I would join the huge one being held tommorow.

I don't know why you think I support the Syrian presence in Lebanon because I don't and I never did.

I do not think they should have entered in 1976 in the FIRST place despite being invited by President Suleiman Franjieh and receiving international approval to do so.

[Edited 2005-03-07 05:40:49]


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 968 times:

Quoting BA (reply 7):
There are also many who think Lebanon is too weak and vulnerable without the Syrians.


Vulnerable? To Whom?

Quoting BA (reply 7):
I think you'll see a complete Syrian withdrawl and an end to external political interference


I don't think the Syrian's will have an option, internationally speaking. Even their Arab brothers have called for them to leave Lebanon.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 966 times:

Falcon84, I have stated my position. I do NOT support and I have never supported the Syrian presence in Lebanon and for years I have said it's time for Syria to pull out.

Funny, I don't see you calling for a group like Hezbollah to attack the Syrian military, to drive them out, as you support Hezbollah and other terrorists doing to Israel?

I don't see you condemning Syria for the countless human rights' violiatons that you accuse Israel of all the time, whenever you can.

I'm just looking for some consistency in you, and I don't see it. You want Israel destroyed, but you only have mild words for Syria.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 958 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (reply 10):
Vulnerable? To Whom?


Internal strife.

Just as what occured between 1975 and 1990, the Lebanese civil war.

Quoting ANCFlyer (reply 10):
I don't think the Syrian's will have an option, internationally speaking. Even their Arab brothers have called for them to leave Lebanon.


All the Arab countries and the Arab League want Syria to pull out of Lebanon.

Definately, internationally speaking they want Syria to pull out.

Internally, I think the opposition now are the majority.

But bear in mind ANCFlyer, there are still MANY Syrian supporters. Mostly among the Shia as I mentioned.

I suggest you read that NY Times article.

The key is respect and dialogue.

I am glad Nasrallah said he would like to work with the opposition and respects the political differences.

This is the only way to resolve this crisis.

Everyone is entitled to lobby for what they believe in as long as it is done in a peaceful manner.

Like I said, ultimately a compromise will be reached that will satisfy all sides.

Quoting Falcon84 (reply 11):
Funny, I don't see you calling for a group like Hezbollah to attack the Syrian military, to drive them out, as you support Hezbollah and other terrorists doing to Israel?


The opposition have called for a PEACEFUL uprising, not a violent one. There will be no fighting whatsoever.

Nobody wants any fighting or bloodshed.

Anyone who does would be stupid anyway, the Lebanese Army and Hezbollah are no match to the Syrian Army.

And I don't support Hezbollah, I don't support any of political party in Lebanon.

I'm an independant just as I am in independant here in the US. I'm neither a Republican or a Democrat.

Quoting Falcon84 (reply 11):
I don't see you condemning Syria for the countless human rights' violiatons that you accuse Israel of all the time, whenever you can.


Really Falcon84? Perhaps you should read about what is happening to Lebanese in Syrian prisoners.

Regarding past atrocities, read about the Hamma Massacre.

The Syrian government are no angels, their past is tarnished and even the Syrian supporters acknowledges their crimes.

Quoting Falcon84 (reply 11):
I'm just looking for some consistency in you, and I don't see it. You want Israel destroyed, but you only have mild words for Syria.


And I'd like to see you not throw around accusations about me. I don't want Israel destroyed, and my words are hardly mild about Syria.

We don't have too many discussions about Syria here, however I have talked about the Hama massacre and the many crimes and assassinations in Lebanon.

Rafik Hariri is not the first time a popular Lebanese leader was assassinated.

I've had some family members who were almost killed by the Syrians during the civil war.

During the civil war, almost everybody was a war criminal. Everyone.

[Edited 2005-03-07 05:53:24]


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 955 times:

The key is respect and dialogue.

ROTFL. Something you and other Arabs have NEVER wanted to give Israel! Talk about a double standard. Apply that to the Jewish/Palestinian question, and get rid of scum like your precious Hezbollah, and we might get somewhere, BA.

opposition have called for a PEACEFUL uprising, not a violent one.

Maybe the rest of the Arab would should apply this to Israel? Or is that too easy?


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 945 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (reply 13):
ROTFL. Something you and other Arabs have NEVER wanted to give Israel! Talk about a double standard. Apply that to the Jewish/Palestinian question, and get rid of scum like your precious Hezbollah, and we might get somewhere, BA.


Never said that my friend.

I have always called for dialogue and I am happy about the truce signed between Israel and Palestinians.

Many times in the 1950's Arab leaders have approached Israel for dialogue, only to be rejected and/or face some sort of attack.

Read about the Lavon Affair and if you want a book, read Ben Gurion's Scandals.

Quoting Falcon84 (reply 13):
Maybe the rest of the Arab would should apply this to Israel? Or is that too easy?


There are many Palestinian groups in Palestine who are doing peaceful uprisings, one based in Tulkaram. I forgot its name though.

I hope the cease-fire lasts. Time will tell...

Let's get back on topic now, shall we? This is about Lebanon/Syria.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 939 times:

Many times in the 1950's Arab leaders have approached Israel for dialogue, only to be rejected and/or face some sort of attack.

Sure they did. That's why most of them are still in an offical state of war with Israel. That's a load of crap.

Let's get back on topic now, shall we? This is about Lebanon/Syria.

Yes it is, but I think it appropriate to point out the hypocrisies and double-standards the Arab world has for the one conflict as compared to the other. Amazing how much more patient the Arab world is to internal conflict.

In any event, the sooner Syria is out of Lebanon, and back in their own borders, the better not only for Lebanon, but for the entire region. It would be nice to see Lebanon and, hopefully one day, Iraq and a real Palestine as foundations for freedom in the Middle East.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 934 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (reply 15):
Sure they did. That's why most of them are still in an offical state of war with Israel. That's a load of crap.


Quoting Falcon84 (reply 15):
Yes it is, but I think it appropriate to point out the hypocrisies and double-standards the Arab world has for the one conflict as compared to the other. Amazing how much more patient the Arab world is to internal conflict.


I know now that from the beginning many Arab leaders wanted to make peace with Israel, but Israel always refused. Ben Gurion covered this up with propaganda. He said that the Arabs wanted to drive Israel into the sea and he called Gamal Abdel Nasser the Hitler of the Middle East whose foremost intent was to destroy Israel. He wanted America and Great Britain to treat Nasser like a pariah.

In 1954, it seemed that America was getting less critical of Nasser. Then during a three-week period in July, several terrorist bombs were set off: at the United States Information Agency offices in Cairo and Alexandria, a British-owned theater, and the central post office in Cairo. An attempt to firebomb a cinema in Alexandria failed when the bomb went off in the pocket of one of the perpetrators. That led to the discovery that the terrorists were not anti-Western Egyptians, but were instead Israeli spies bent on souring the warming relationship between Egypt and the United States in what came to be known as the Lavon Affair.


From the book Ben Gurion's Scandals, I suggest you read it before throwing around baseless accusations as you are doing now.

Quoting Falcon84 (reply 15):
In any event, the sooner Syria is out of Lebanon, and back in their own borders, the better not only for Lebanon, but for the entire region. It would be nice to see Lebanon and, hopefully one day, Iraq and a real Palestine as foundations for freedom in the Middle East.


Syria will begin its pullback on Monday:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4846113,00.html

[Edited 2005-03-07 06:09:59]


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 928 times:

A pullback isn't good enough. Syria needs to get out, and forthwith. Anything else is unacceptable.

User currently offlineCommander_rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 929 times:

Hezbollah like the Germany's Nazi's, Imperial Japan, and Stalin's Soviet Union will ALL end upon the ash heap eventually. Give them time.

Of course they will back Syria. It's one of their 'pipelines". And of course... the Iranians will have their bloody hands in their too as they always have.

What we may see is Arabs slugging it out with each other. And of course the Lebanese people will get the shaft yet again. Too bad but not surprising.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 921 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (reply 17):
A pullback isn't good enough. Syria needs to get out, and forthwith. Anything else is unacceptable.


Exactly what the opposition is calling for.

But it is a step forward.

Commander_rabb,

There will be a compromise that will satisfy all sides.

It is the only way or else there will be civil war which none of us want.

ALL / LIMG), Italy">ALL Arab nations have called for the enforcement of UN resolution 1559 which calls for a Syrian pullout and disarmament of all militias.

[Edited 2005-03-07 06:15:30]


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 920 times:

Quoting BA (reply 14):
have always called for dialogue and I am happy about the truce signed between Israel and Palestinians.


How long with that last until the Hezbollah blows up something in Israel.

I'm not trying to be a pain in your ass here BA, but seems as though the Hezbollah has a propensity for doing that.

I'm not taking sides either - before that gets thrown at me - I simply have less faith in the Hezbollah maintaining the peace than I do the Israelis.


User currently offlineCommander_rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 913 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (reply 20):
I simply have less faith in the Hezbollah maintaining the peace than I do the Israelis.


No kidding!


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 901 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (reply 20):
How long with that last until the Hezbollah blows up something in Israel.

I'm not trying to be a pain in your ass here BA, but seems as though the Hezbollah has a propensity for doing that.

I'm not taking sides either - before that gets thrown at me - I simply have less faith in the Hezbollah maintaining the peace than I do the Israelis.


Take a look a look at this from a recent article in Lebanon's #1 English newspaper:

Nasrallah countered Israeli claims made Thursday that the party was interfering in the regions conflicts in Iraq and Palestine, saying Hizbullah was simply a "local" Lebanese resistance group.

"Contrary to Israeli claims, Hizbullah does not retain any organizational branches or activities outside Lebanon," Nasrallah said. "Israel, the U.S. and other concerned countries in the region are well aware that Hizbullah is a local Lebanese resistance whose role is exclusively to liberate the Occupied Territories and defend the country from threats or military aggression."

Nasrallah was speaking at the Sayyed Shuhada compound in Beirut's southern suburbs on the occasion of the commemoration of the death of the previous Secretary General Abbas Mousawi.

Nasrallah said Israel was trying to convince the international community that Hizbullah is behind every terrorist attack around the world, and even some that have yet to occur.

"The Israeli media accuses Hizbullah of every terrible act of terrorism, assassination or disaster in any country, even the Iraqi war and the conflict in Palestine," he said. "The only thing they haven't blamed us for was the tsunami."

Nasrallah added that since the Israeli withdrawal in 2000, the party has enjoyed "great respect" in the Muslim and Arab world - including in Europe - and admitted that many individuals and Islamic groups had contacted Hizbullah offering their solidarity and interest in opening their own branches.

"We don't claim to be the leader of the Islamic nation; we are just a small local resistance group with limited capabilities. Any group that claims to be a Hizbullah group, or associates, such as that claimed to have been dismantled by the Canadian government - we are not responsible for their claims."


http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article....n_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=12776

Whether you choose to believe the above or not is up to you. But this is why Hezbollah is not regarded as a terrorist group by the Arab world, the European Union, and the United Nations.

Infact just last week, a UN deputy met with Hezbollah in Lebanon.

You might be interested to know that David Sutterfield said that the US government is ready to accept Hezbollah as a legitimate political party once they disarm.

It appears that there will be MANY changes coming up, both IN Lebanon and in Lebanese/USA relations.

Anyways, Hezbollah will have to disarm soon. It's inevitable. They know it even though they don't want to. Either that, or their military wing will become part of a special forces unit of the Lebanese Army.

They will become strictly a political party.

It would be part of a compromise to satsify Shia demands for more power in Lebanon.

Let us hope for the best outcome for everyone. In the meantime, let's keep an open mind.

I think you will see new talks and dialogue between Syrian opposition and Syrian supporter parties.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 885 times:

Ok, I'm ignorant on the subject of Hezbollah. Can someone enlighten me as to why they're a terrorist organization/ political party? Call 'em what you want but who are they, what are their beliefs, and what are their tactics?

User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 872 times:

I don't support Hezbollah's activities at present in any way but it's clear that they are not a terrorist organization. The US and Israel are the only nations that regard them as such but they know well that Hezbollah has targetted the Israeli military and Israel backed militant group in South Lebanon for many years.

But they have to stop now. Israel withdrew from Lebanon some time ago and the Shebaa farms excuse is a poor one in my opinion.
Some Israeli civilians have been killed in border activities and many Lebanese have lost their lives similarly.

At present, they have to become an exclusively political party (with no militia wing) since they represent a large part of the Shia (Shiites) community. Everyone has to be represented and respected by all. But first, Syria must pull out as soon as possible because they are doing more harm than anything else in Lebanon.

A pullout to the Bekaa is not enough. The Bekaa is Lebanon!


25 Iakobos : It would be part of a compromise to satsify Shia demands for more power in Lebanon The Shias are the majority sect making up about 32% of the populati
26 DL021 : Well, I was a little slow to get to this post, but it sure seems interesting that the peaceloving and independence minded Hizballah are calling their
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