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Sad News: Ford Thunderbird Production Ends In July  
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ap_on_bi_ge/thunderbird_retirement


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I think timing was bad for this car. During a recession, it's hard for brand like Ford to sale a 2-seater that goes for more than $40,000.
Had this car came out in 1998, it would have had much more success.


The Ford Thunderbird was supposed to go out of production in 2006 but the July will be it.






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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

Sad news but what do you expect from a car whose sales were lagging?

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

I am surprised that this car wasn't terminated from production last year. It seemed nice at the time, but once the old fart and trendy women market got theirs, then there was no more market. Being a 2 seater without being a very fast car (like the Corvette), or without 1.0 lateral skidpad numbers, then it was doomed.

User currently onlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7524 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

From the article:

Ford had planned to discontinue the Thunderbird after the 2005 or 2006 model year but told employees Thursday production will end in July.

Unfortunately, the handwriting was on the wall for this T-bird. As Superfly stated, had the car come out a few years earlier; it would have sold better. During a recession period, sales of unique or special sporty vehicles are usually the first ones to feel the pinch.

Ford's partly to blame for this. They just took a little too long to introduce the vehicle into production. Wasn't it originally supposed to come out in 2000?



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 3):
They just took a little too long to introduce the vehicle into production. Wasn't it originally supposed to come out in 2000?

You are right. I remember going to a Ford dealer in 2000 and a salesman was telling us the Thunderbird was coming back. At the time I thought he was either on crack or just saying something to keep us engaged in conversation with him. My girlfriend was looking at Mustangs at the time.

This car seemed to have the same curse that the Edsel had when it was launched.
Also people who aren't effected by the recession and have an extra $45K to spend on a toy (the rich) will never consider buying a Ford. Average income folks that would dish out that much cash on a vehicle would rather buy something that had more space and uses such as a Excursion or Expedition.

This car should have had the 4.6 or even 5.4 optional. That could have gone against the Corvette as they both originally competed when they first came out.

The Wixom plant which opened in 1956 build my car. Last summer at a family reunion, I met many relatives from Detriot and many of them work for 'the big tree'. I met a distant relative that was a retired Ford employee that used to work at the Wixom plant during the 1970s and 1980s. I had to pick his brain apart and ask him tons of questions.  Smile
He build my car! Big grin



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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

From what I read about the renaissance T-bird, it was hobbled by quality problems. That, and a too-expensive sticker, was a double whammy.

Besides, the real T-bird was last seen in 1976.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 5):

Damn right! Big grin


Although I do like the Torino-based (77-79) versions especially the Town Landau and Heritage Editions.
I have many childhood memories riding from Gary to ORD / KORD), USA - Illinois">ORD in the back of a dark blue Town Landau Thunderbird.  Cool

[Edited 2005-03-11 19:17:03]


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User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

I saw a new 'Bird in a deep, almost military green, yesterday. Pretty slick.

The article on Yahoo! claimed that total production has been about 54K units.

And I second the motion for the Torino/LTD II based 'Bird. I'll take a '78 black and chamois one, any day.

Oh, Superfly, here's a link for a local classic lincoln dealer..I drove by the place, and figured you'd dig it: http://www.lincolnlandinc.com/



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Hopefully Ford will bring back the Thunderbird name on a better car in the future.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Tranks for the link TriStarEnvy!
I'd love to visit Land of Lincoln. Big grin



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User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Cool place. They had a '58 convertible in the showroom for a while. There's a Mark V, in there now.

Back to T-bird Talk, I'm surprised they consider it a failure. Must be the production-to-profit margin is low. I see these things, everywhere.

It's time for US carmakers to resurrect that great class of car that was so big in the 70's, the "personal luxury coupe". As in Cordoba/Elite/Monte Carlo/Cutlass/Magnum/Cougar XR-7, and the rest.....




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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 10):
It's time for US carmakers to resurrect that great class of car that was so big in the 70's, the "personal luxury coupe". As in Cordoba/Elite/Monte Carlo/Cutlass/Magnum/Cougar XR-7, and the rest.....

Sad to see that market no longer exist. The Eldorado hung in there for a long time but that's now gone too.  Sad



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

No great loss. Taking all the good parts of say 50 years of a names history and shoving them all together in one new car doesn't make something especially good looking. Personally, I thought the thing was ugly and I never heard anyone raving about its performance. Nevermind the fact it was horribly overpriced.

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 10):
It's time for US carmakers to resurrect that great class of car that was so big in the 70's, the "personal luxury coupe"

It is sad but in today's car market if it doesn't sit 4 feet off the ground and offer 4wd nobody will buy it


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

They could have had a real trendy competitor to the Miata, if they had kept the price tag down.

If they could have made it a 20K car then it would have done much better.



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User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

True, but the Eldo was a true luxury car, like the Mark's and "Slantback" Imperial.

The "personal luxury car"was for us middle class folks who couldn't afford a Caddy, but wanted to have a car that might be MISTAKEN for one.



Even the little guys got in on it!



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

TriStarEnvy:
Dude, for some reason, those AMC Concord DL coupes are going for a lot of money! There always a bidding war and they sell for over $4,000.
The Eagle wagons go for about the same in beat up condition.
I know from experience driving my friends Eagle wagon, they have excellent road manners and are very soft and quiet inside. The Concord DL Coupes had even more comfort and luxurious features. Yet these cars were small and had very tight turning radius.

Quoting Captoveur (Reply 12):
It is sad but in today's car market if it doesn't sit 4 feet off the ground and offer 4wd nobody will buy it

Please don't remind us.  Sad
I think it's sacrilege to put the Mark nameplate on a F-150 pick up and call it a Lincoln.  Sad



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User currently onlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7524 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 5):
Besides, the real T-bird was last seen in 1976.

The '72-'76 Big Birds was also known as the Poor Man's Mark IV. To be sure, there are some that think the '77 T-Bird should been called the Elite. After all, the T-Bird name was transferred to the same platform; that's why there was a significant drop in the sticker price. Worth noting, there are some extreme purists out there that believe the last real T-Bird was the '57 2-seater.

Actually the T-Bird's best sales year was 1978 when it sold over 370,000 copies. The similar Mercury Cougar XR-7 was a sold out model during that same year.

[Edited 2005-03-11 21:56:31]


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User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

And to add to PHLBOS, the huge success of the '77-'79 'Bird, pretty much destroyed it's sister, the LTD II. The Torino had been a good seller, and the LTD II SHOULD have done well. The coupe, in particular, was a good looking car. Cleaner, and less, "flabby" than what the Torino had become. The LTD II was pushed to businesses and cop shops, as the buying public found it could afford a T-Bird or XR-7. That "B" and "C" pillar styling of the 'Bird still looks great, today, I think.

The XR-7 was a sweet car. In 1977 Mercury retired the name "Montego" from the midsize cars, and called 'em all "Cougar" including for the top coupe, which was almost a totally seperate breed of cat.



Yeah, 'Fly I'd noticed the pickup of interest in the "Kars from Kenosha". There was a 1988 Eagle wagon for sale on eBay, that I really was interested in. That's the last of the line, as Chysler pulled the plug on Eagle production in early December 1987. Looked pretty straight, and the price was in the $2K-$3K range

[Edited 2005-03-11 22:36:46]


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User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

In the past, I've relayed my opinions on the 'Bird (although I understand and sort of like the styling, I think that it lacks a bit of finish and signature considering its' design/market intent).

As many of you folks have noted, though, performance parameters and list pricing probably hindered sales more than my design observations.

Coincidentally, today I looked at a model w/ only 14,000 miles, perfect condition, for $23,550. If it had not have been the (not good, IMHO) non-commital red, I may have sprung for my checkbook. Not that wifey needs another cruiser, but in silver or black (I haven't found another production color I am comfortable with) it would be a pretty neat 20G ride, especially w/ the top down on a nice summer day.

This vehicle was never meant to be "competition" for the Corvette, but with a real good performance, personal 2-pax blvd cruiser, Ford could be currently polishing tooling for the next T-Bird rather than pulling the plug. It could have created another "niche" market. Regards..Jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

Can't say I'm sad to see it go. I never liked the design.

User currently onlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7524 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 17):
And to add to PHLBOS, the huge success of the '77-'79 'Bird, pretty much destroyed it's sister, the LTD II.

A similar, but not as extreme, scenario occured with the '73-'77 and '78-'81 GM's mid-size A-special coupes (later redesignated G-bodies) upstaging sales of GM's standard A-body coupes. Examples: the Monte Carlos were outselling Malibu coupes, Regals outselling Century coupes, Grand Prix outselling LeMans (and GrandAm) coupes, Cutlass Supremes outselling Cutlass/Cutlass Salons.

On the Mopar end, I don't think Dodge even bothered with a mid-size Monaco coupe when it already had the Charger then later Magnum XE. I believe Plymouth made a 2-door version of its mid-size Fury, which replaced the Satellite, very briefly.

In short, the personal luxury mid-size coupes basically contributed to the downfall of the standard mid-size coupes during the '80s.

[Edited 2005-03-14 14:51:12]


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User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Mopars midsize family was all muddled, it seems to me. There WAS a Monaco coupe thru 1978, but it was a forgotten member of the family. Plymouth sold a tarted up Fury coupe as a "Road Runner" for a year or two, between 1975 and 1978.

I forget whether it's a Monaco or Fury coupe that's pictured in both "Cars of The Sensational 70's" and "The Chrysler Chronicles", that has a wonderfully bright 70's PLAID upholster.

Plus, they seemed to overlap series on these cars. There was a '78 Cordoba-based Chrager offered, even though the Magnum was introduced that year. Like what Chevy is doing with BOTH the old and new Malibu being sold, currently.



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User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

No big loss. The T-Bird as well as all other Ford (all American cars) for that matter are POS's with little to no resale value, poor quality, and ugly styling. Check out some of our fine autos at

http://www.siliconvalleyautogroup.com


User currently onlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7524 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Aa777flyer,

We're talking about cars that most people can afford to buy, not exotic, top-end, sports or luxury cars.

Most cars in the web-site you listed are priced well beyond most people's reach.

Back to the topic, while the current T-Bird was not intended to be marketed towards a common crowd; I don't think Ford was planning on marketing to a completely exclusive/exotic crowd either.

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 21):
Like what Chevy is doing with BOTH the old and new Malibu being sold, currently.

TriStarEnvy,

Chevy's not redoing/replacing the Malibu yet. Are you sure you're not thinking about the Cobalt being sold along side the Cavalier? From what I understand, the latter will be discontinued for 2006.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

Since the 2002 Thunderbird was to be 'retro', it should have been positioned against the Corvette as they both competed back in the 1950s. It wouldn't take much. The Thunderbird is a light car and the 5.4 V8 that's in the GT and assymbled at the same plant can fit right in the current Thunderbird. Then you'd have a performance car that would have been serious competion.






Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 21):
forget whether it's a Monaco or Fury coupe that's pictured in both "Cars of The Sensational 70's" and "The Chrysler Chronicles", that has a wonderfully bright 70's PLAID upholster.

My roomate has that book and the brouchure. I think it was the Plymouth Fury with that real 'far out' plaid interior.
I hope plaid seats make a comeback!  Smile



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25 Post contains images TriStarEnvy : The OLD Malibu, is/was being sold just as the "Classic", alongside it's replacement, the new "Malibu". Ford did this with the current and old F-150's,
26 Post contains images Superfly : That's supposed to be a 'classic'?
27 TriStarEnvy : HAHAHHAH! In name only, my good friend, in name only! You check out that Lincoln site?
28 Post contains links PHLBOS : What new Malibu are you talking about? While there is a Malibu Maxx hatchback being sold alongside the conventional sedan model; the Maxx is suppleme
29 Post contains images Superfly : Oh they will once they've read that! TriStarEnvy is in hot water now!
30 Post contains images TriStarEnvy : Okay, let me "rephrase".... Chevy has taken the car, formerly known as "Malibu", and rebadged it as "Classic". (Like what Chrysler did with the Renaul
31 Post contains images Superfly : OK you're off the hook. This is just more proof that GM is ran by idiots.
32 Post contains images TriStarEnvy : Proof of that:
33 Post contains images Superfly : ...and the GM mistakes goes on and on and on!
34 TriStarEnvy : Catera! The Cadillac that ZIGS!!! Friend from college had a V-8-6-4 Caddy. It actually ran great!
35 Aa777flyer : It actually ran?????
36 Superfly : My friends parents had a 4/6/8 Cadillac Eldorado and it would often get stuck on 4 cylinders. Another friend of mine had a Coupe DeVille 4/6/8 and his
37 PHLBOS : TriStarEnvy, I rechecked the Yahoo search for myself. To tell you the truth, I never would've guessed that Chevy kept the old FWD Malibu line alive (
38 Post contains images Superfly : Sometimes it's just better to not acknowledge such retarded decisions. GM does that quite often.
39 TriStarEnvy : GM has a knack for that.
40 Cptkrell : Some (basic) quotes and personal observations: >"..all other Ford (all American cars) for that matter POS's...Check out some of our fine autoas at (Si
41 PHLBOS : Jack, I was referring to the current Malibu sedan in my earlier statement not the now-discovered Classic which both the new sedan and Maxx replaced.
42 Post contains images Superfly : Cptkrell: You mean you didn't like the mid 80s Cheverolet Nova? Did GM dare to put out an SS model? When GM does something right, they really kick ass
43 PHLBOS : Superfly, Speaking of LeSabre, it looks like 2005 will be the last year for this long-running nameplate. A new model, called the Lucerne, will be repl
44 Post contains images Cptkrell : PHLBOS; ahhh, yes. I see your reference. I think they might have just dug out some old "Classic" nameplates for the old model built-out. 'Fly; yeah...
45 Post contains images Superfly : and that's even more proof GM is ran by idiots! There was nothing wrong with that LeSabre or Park Avenue. They were perfect cars that were realiable
46 TriStarEnvy : Jack, do you have any friends inside GM styling? I'd love to know the whole story about the Aztek. The concept vehicles were almost, and I say almost
47 PHLBOS : 'Fly, According to a recent Motor Trend article (the issue that covers all of the 2005 cars); it states that the successor to the Park Avenue (yet to
48 TriStarEnvy : Just please, God, let it be a proper CAR, and not a "crossover" one part truck, one part car, mistake! And a real-honest-to-goodness WAGON, too. Bring
49 Post contains images Superfly : I am almost scared to death as to what GM might do with Buick. Yes V8 rear drive is a good thing but so is the current GTO and CTS. Those cars look hi
50 Skyway1 : The latest I've heard is that the Malibu "Classic" that is currently being sold only in fleet sales is being discontinued. ASC.....they currently buil
51 Cptkrell : "...do you have any friends inside GM styling? I'd love to know the whole story about the Aztek." Yup, went with a few of them (and some other retiree
52 TriStarEnvy : Thank you Jack. When will you be doing your auto memoirs? Sign me up for a first edition! I'm amazed that the fellow (who's name escapes me) who gets
53 Cptkrell : TriStar; Tom Peters is one of the most capable designers worldwide. He's also one helluva nice guy, too. His professional efforts have been diluted by
54 Superfly : Cptkrell: The Thunderbird should have come back with a larger bang. Is this it for good? I can't imagine Ford making a re re return of the Thunderbird
55 BH346 : I think the Le Mans from the 80s was made by Daewoo. Sounds a lot like the Chevrolet Aveos they're trying to push today. I agree, I don't really find
56 AJBUS300 : I'm glad.....for one it isn;t the most appealing car there is and well it is over priced. I'm sure you all know the original Thunderbird looked nothin
57 Post contains images MD11LuxuryLinr : Yep.. say bye bye to Fords 41,000 dollar 'water leak'..
58 Aerorobnz : Yay, the car was rubbish. It had no driving prowess at all, and was priced alongside decent vehicles that don't rely on past glories to sell them.
59 TristarEnvy : What I find odd, and maybe it's 'cause I live in a climate that is perfect for the car, but everytime I go anywhere, I see at least two or three 'Bird
60 Post contains images Superfly : Are you happier with the boring blob look that GM, Dodge, Saab, Honda and just about everyone else is putting out? You got to give Ford credit for th
61 TriStarEnvy : Right! (Where MINE came from, too!) I meant marketing it as a "Lincoln" instead of a "T-Bird" might have been a better move. Give it classic Lincoln c
62 Superfly : You have a car made in Wixom?
63 AJBUS300 : WRONG........example being Chrysler 300C....a hell of a lot MORE styling and EVEN MORE horsepower.......and is DEFINETLY not boring or under powered.
64 TriStarEnvy : My first car, the '66 came down the same line. My current vehicle (that we all so dearly love) was built....south of the border....(song coming on!)..
65 Post contains images Superfly : AJBUS300: You're comparing a 5 passenger 4 dour sedan to a 2 seater roadster? I was refereing to the boring uninspiring 2 seater junk made by Audi, Me
66 TriStarEnvy : Si! It and the Rendezvouz shared a plant.
67 Superfly : The Rendezvouz is gone now too, right?
68 PHLBOS : Actually, the Rendezvouz is still in production for 2005. As far as I know its not being planned to be dropped or replaced yet. The thing to remember
69 Superfly : The new Mustang is on the LS platform with the Thunderbird and Lincoln LS.
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