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Report: Israel Already Has Plans To Strike Iran.  
User currently offlineJalto27R From United States of America, joined May 2004, 857 posts, RR: 14
Posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1522978,00.html

So now there are plans, but will it actually happen? If so how are they going to undertake this, and what will be the most likely outcome and repercusions? This seems like an awfully fast moving international issue, and these new reports just speed it up even more. In my opinion a strike has to be the LAST option. Comments?

Mike

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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Every country with a decent military keeps constantly updated contingency plans at the ready, and they constantly adjust them to the current world situation.

I don't see where this is a big deal. Pre-planning is only prudent, for a just-in-case.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26785 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

This is probably the stupidest thing Sharon can do. Iran is the most militarily powerful country in the middle east in that they have both a large army and strong nationalism. If anything is to be learned from the Iran-Iraq War is that when Iran was invaded by a better equipped, better backed aggressor, Iran turned them away and inflicted equal damage, and that was a post-revolution, transition Iran.


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

N1102A, there's nothing stupid about contingency, and Iran would have to march thorugh THREE nations to get to Israel, and one is currently under occupation by the United States for the forseeable future.

Iran won't ever get the chance to invade Israel, so that argument you have is out the window, imho.


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1725 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Iran is the most militarily powerful country in the middle east in that they have both a large army and strong nationalism.

The Iranian military has no significant ability to act against Israel. That would change if they completed their nuclear weapons program, which of course is why Israel is concerned.



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User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Iran is a much different animal than Iraq. Based on the attitudes of the younger generation in Iran, I think there is a good chance for revolution in the future. The only problem is that it is going to take a very long time. I'm not really sure if the US can afford time such as that.

I think it was the wrong thing to do when Powell basically gave Iran the 'go-ahead' to Israel to do whatever it wants to Iran in terms of a pre-emptive attack. Sure, it may work for diplomatic purposes, but letting Israel off the leash may not do much to influence peace in the middle east.

A strike on Iran from either the US or Israel should be an absolute last resort. Anything else is a demonstration of arrogance.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26785 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 4):
The Iranian military has no significant ability to act against Israel

Except that they have a military almost as well equipped as Israel, that is about the size of Israel's adult population and Iran has a nationalism strong enough to have already repelled one better equipped, US backed aggressor that used chemical and biological weapons (also US supplied). Additionally, they have conventional missile capable of hitting Israel

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 4):
That would change if they completed their nuclear weapons program, which of course is why Israel is concerned.

You mean the one they don't have based out of the US-built reactor set up to be light water only?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
there's nothing stupid about contingency, and Iran would have to march thorugh THREE nations to get to Israel, and one is currently under occupation by the United States for the forseeable future.

Iran won't ever get the chance to invade Israel, so that argument you have is out the window, imho.

Contingency this is not, this is an invasion plan. Iran is not the aggressor here and has proved not to be throughout recent history. Even after acts of war from the Taliban, they used diplomatic means to end disputes.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

Israel has done this before in the 1980's. They secretly somehow made major airspace violations with fighter a/c with missles and attacked a nueclar facility of Iran, causing (thank God) serious damage. If Israel ever attempted this now, the USA may have to shoot down the Israeli aircraft. If Israel did attempt or actually succeded in attacking the nuclear research site in Iran, it could be a death wish to them. It would unify a wide range of Islamic peoples throughout the world in a death hate of Israel and probably the USA. I would expect a massive esclation of attacks upon Israel and the USA, probably including massive 'scud' missle attacks upon the USA military in Iraq, and Israel. God pray the Israelis never carry out this plan.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14138 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 7):
Israel has done this before in the 1980's. They secretly somehow made major airspace violations with fighter a/c with missles and attacked a nueclar facility of Iran, causing (thank God) serious damage. If Israel ever attempted this now, the USA may have to shoot down the Israeli aircraft. If Israel did attempt or actually succeded in attacking the nuclear research site in Iran, it could be a death wish to them. It would unify a wide range of Islamic peoples throughout the world in a death hate of Israel and probably the USA. I would expect a massive esclation of attacks upon Israel and the USA, probably including massive 'scud' missle attacks upon the USA military in Iraq, and Israel. God pray the Israelis never carry out this plan

You are confusing Iran with Iraq. The half completed reactor the Israelis attacked in the 80s was a project of Saddam Hussein.

Jan


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Except that they have a military almost as well equipped as Israel, that is about the size of Israel's adult population and Iran has a nationalism strong enough to have already repelled one better equipped, US backed aggressor that used chemical and biological weapons (also US supplied). Additionally, they have conventional missile capable of hitting Israel

Utter bullshit. Israel has the most advanced military in the Middle East, on a totally different level than even Iran. Iran might launch conventional missiles at Israel, but they would likely either be shot down over US-controlled Iraqi airpsace, or by SAMs in Israel. I doubt Israel is seriously scared of a conventional Iranian attack.

Israel has done this before in the 1980's. They secretly somehow made major airspace violations with fighter a/c with missles and attacked a nueclar facility of Iran, causing (thank God) serious damage.

It was against Iraq, not Iran.

If Israel ever attempted this now, the USA may have to shoot down the Israeli aircraft. If Israel did attempt or actually succeded in attacking the nuclear research site in Iran, it could be a death wish to them. It would unify a wide range of Islamic peoples throughout the world in a death hate of Israel and probably the USA. I would expect a massive esclation of attacks upon Israel and the USA, probably including massive 'scud' missle attacks upon the USA military in Iraq, and Israel. God pray the Israelis never carry out this plan.

Utter nonsense. Any Israeli attack on Iran would be done with US blessing, meaning that the US would be refueling them, not quite shooting them down. Everyone always says that the Arab street will rise up, but the last few years have shown that the "Arab Street" everyone has been scared about is more or less dead.

When Israel attacked Iraq in 1981, everyone breathed a sigh of relief, especially the Iranians. If/when Israel does attack Iran, I expect the world will bitch at the UN for a few days but after that there won't be much of an effect. Nothing like a "massive escalation of attacks upon Israel".


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

You are confusing Iran with Iraq. The half completed reactor the Israelis attacked in the 80s was a project of Saddam Hussein.

It was more than half complete. It was going to be online in short order. Israel waited until the last possible moment to attack. If they had waited a few more weeks, it would have been too late for Iraq might have had nukes by then.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26785 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 7):
I would expect a massive esclation of attacks upon Israel and the USA, probably including massive 'scud' missle attacks upon the USA military in Iraq, and Israel

Scud missiles are Russian missiles sold to Iraq, not Iran.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
Everyone always says that the Arab street will rise up, but the last few years have shown that the "Arab Street" everyone has been scared about is more or less dead.

Arab Street huh? Shows how much you know about Iran



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Let us hope Israel isn't crazy enough to launch a strike against Iran as it will destroy all hopes of peace in the Middle East.

While Iran is not in the Arab League, the Arab League is working on reviving the 2002 peace initiative and it is POSSIBLE that all Arab nations will make peace with Israel later this year.

The Arab League and Arab states have warmed up due to the progress being made between Israelis and Palestinians.

Any attack against Iran will completely destroy such opportunities and will launch a new wave of tensions and struggle.

You can bet that Hezbollah in southern Lebanon will retaliate if Iran is struck.

You can bet that there will be renewed chaos in Iraq, mainly among the Shias who are loyal to Iran.

The Shias in the Middle East will especially be the ones who will react to this the most.

Personally, I don't think Israel will do it...



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26785 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 12):
The Shias in the Middle East will especially be the ones who will react to this the most.

Additionally, any attack on Iran would be a red flag to EU nations. While they opposed Iraq, the EU has very significant financial interests in Iran, especially the French and SNCEMA. If Israel attacked, I don't think you would have an idle EU, rather Iran having Mirage IIIs/2000s flying next to their F-14s



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Personally, I don't think Israel will do it...

Do you truly think Israel will sit by and let Iran get their hands on nukes? I just don't see that happening. Israel will do whatever is necessary to stop Iran from getting nukes and they are militarily capable of stopping them.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26785 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
I doubt Israel is seriously scared of a conventional Iranian attack.

No they are not, because Iran is not an aggressor-nation, no matter what Bush tries to make people believe. They are, however, worried about a counter strike and have made noises to the UN for some time.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Contingency this is not, this is an invasion plan. Iran is not the aggressor here and has proved not to be throughout recent history.

It's actually probably an air strike plan, since, like Iran in the opposite direction, Israel would have to march through three nations, and even as good as their military is, they just can't do this. Again-read what I said-ANY nation with a military has constantly updated scenarios and contingencies on hand. If the military minds in a certain country aren't doing that, they're not doing what they get paid to do.

And Iran has been an aggressor, through surrogates like Hamas, Hezbollah, and other terrorist cells they support. That's being an aggressor.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26785 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 14):
Do you truly think Israel will sit by and let Iran get their hands on nukes?

The nukes that they are not building? Or maybe that is wear the ones from Iraq went?  Confused

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 14):
Israel will do whatever is necessary to stop Iran from getting nukes and they are militarily capable of stopping them.

You mean capable of being an aggressor-nation? Stopping Iran from developing an internationally accepted energy source (even if I think it is a bad energy source)? Or perhaps capable of getting themselves in a quagmire that will get hundreds of thousands in both countries killed all because they have a war criminal at the helm?



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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

I am sure that Sharon has an understanding from Bush: "Do what you want to do with Iran, we won't stop you."


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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
If anything is to be learned from the Iran-Iraq War is that when Iran was invaded by a better equipped, better backed aggressor, Iran turned them away and inflicted equal damage, and that was a post-revolution, transition Iran.



Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Contingency this is not, this is an invasion plan.

Uhhhhh, what are you smoking? This isn't an Israeli "invasion plan". This would be a strike to eliminate any nuclear power/arsenal that Iran would be trying to get.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

It's actually probably an air strike plan,

Actually, it woud most likely be a cruise missile attack. Israel has submarines off the coast of Iran that sail with the Indian Navy. An air attack would have to be a joint US-Israeli attack, since Israeli jets would have to refuel over Iraq....A cruise missile attack could be done totally by their own military.

I am sure that Sharon has an understanding from Bush: "Do what you want to do with Iran, we won't stop you."

Cheney made it pretty clear a few months ago.....


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26785 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 19):
Uhhhhh, what are you smoking?

Nothing, and definately not drinking the Bush/Sharon Kool-Aid

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 19):
This isn't an Israeli "invasion plan". This would be a strike to eliminate any nuclear power/arsenal that Iran would be trying to get.

Iran is a sovereign nation and Israel would be attacking it over borders. That is an invasion.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

So Israel should just sit and watch while Iran gets nuclear weapons?


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User currently offlineN5176Y From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Why is this news?? Israel has had plans to attack every potential threat since the 1950's.

Yawn.  Embarrassment


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Nothing, and definately not drinking the Bush/Sharon Kool-Aid/

Neither am I, if you read anything I write about Bush, but what you're putting on here is pretty uneducated.

Iran is a sovereign nation and Israel would be attacking it over borders. That is an invasion.

Then you have a different definition than 99% of the world does. An invasion, to me, is placing troops on the ground to occupy. Air strikes don't fall in that category.


25 BA : They won't launch an attack because they very well know the repercussions would be grave, especially at the current situation when it looks like the
26 N1120A : Except that Iran in not threatening them Well, Iran sat while Israel got theirs, didn't they? Again, there are no nuclear weapons in Iran and they ar
27 Falcon84 : They won't launch an attack because they very well know the repercussions would be grave, especially at the current situation when it looks like the M
28 N5176Y : Um, Mr. Ayatollah has specifically stated that the day they obtain a nuclear weapon is the day they launch it at Israel.
29 N1120A : Someone ought to put themselves in an Iranian's shoes for once. Yeah, I am sure all of the Shah's money that went there was meant to annihilate them.
30 N1120A : >Um, Mr. Ayatollah has specifically stated that the day they obtain a nuclear weapon is the day they launch it at Israel.
31 BA : I would say the entire region surrounding Israel being outraged and a new wave of attacks against Israel is more serious than having nuclear weapons
32 L-188 : This may come as a pretty big shock for some of you, but militaries game out contingincies and prepare warplasns, constantly. It is a form of training
33 UAL747 : The United States is currently in a good strategic place to help Israel with it's plans. We have a military force occupying Iran's neighbor. Now, woul
34 Falcon84 : I would say the entire region surrounding Israel being outraged and a new wave of attacks against Israel is more serious than having nuclear weapons i
35 N1120A : As opposed to the lunatic war criminals running Israel, another country founded on religious grounds? What kind of insanity are you listening to? Per
36 Allstarflyer : Yeah, if forced to choose sides, the US would be wise to remain friends with Israel. Invasion more carries the tone that the aggressor intends to occ
37 Alberchico : Read the article,ONLY if Iran gets very close to obtaining nuclear capacity will they take them out. They have the neccessary intelligence to find out
38 Post contains images LY744 : This is the funniest post about the middle east in recent forum history. Of course Israel has plans to attack Iran. I bet they have a shitload of plan
39 UAL747 : BTW, what is Iran thinking anyway? Nuclear weapons are SOOOO 80's. UAL
40 BA : Believe me, I don't love or trust Iran, but I don't think they are crazy enough to attack Israel because of the repercussions. Just as I don't think
41 Rjpieces : I know you're in the habit of embarassing, yourself, but for the love of god, please stop. Iran has a very poweful military, which enjoys the use of h
42 N1120A : Israel and the US are two different countries. Or are they?
43 RJpieces : Israel and the US are two different countries. Or are they? Militarily speaking, they are one.
44 UAL747 : Can I ask an ignorant question? Why is Israel of such importance to the US? I mean seriously, all this crap over a barren strip of desert? UAL
45 N1120A : Which is not right That is anything but an ignorant question. It is not a barren strip though. Still, not nearly as rich with land and resources as I
46 Falcon84 : Israel and the US are two different countries. Or are they? N1120A, he said the US or Israel. What part of "or" do you not get. And I do not agree wit
47 BA : I should also mention that Jordan will not allow Israeli fighter aircraft to overfly Jordanian airspace to attack Iran despite having peace with Israe
48 UAL747 : Exactly. Okay, the barren comment was sort of tongue in cheek, but Iran has waaay more to offer than Israel. In fact, MANY nations of the middle east
49 N1120A : But in reality, they are. Well, that and stolen French designs As well as US-Turkey and NATO-Turkey relations.
50 Post contains links RJpieces : Why is Israel of such importance to the US? Lots of reasons. It is the only democracy in the Middle East, an outpost of American values in a land wher
51 Falcon84 : But in reality, they are. Well, that and stolen French designs/ Elaborate, please? What stolen French designs are you talking about? And is this alleg
52 UAL747 : There goes the theory of separation of church and state. American values also don't necessarily work in all areas of the world if you haven't noticed
53 RJpieces : And I do not agree with RJpieces-theyare not one in the same, as far as I'm concerned. Militarily speaking, the US and Israel are incredibly close. Th
54 N1120A : Turkey is a democracy. Iran, contrary to what you think, has its day to day laws governed by democracy. You mean like seperation of church and state?
55 RJpieces : What stolen French designs are you talking about? I believe that when France refused to continue selling aircraft to Israel, the Mossad and some Frenc
56 Post contains images Falcon84 : Iran, contrary to what you think, has its day to day laws governed by democracy. Pardon me, while I fall off my chair, laughing hysterically. Apparent
57 RJpieces : Turkey is a democracy. Iran, contrary to what you think, has its day to day laws governed by democracy. Turkey is hardly a stable democracy--The Turki
58 UAL747 : Can we say, Vietnam? Any value system can work, you just have to have the funds and stamina to implement them. For the US and Europe, they have both
59 Post contains links BA : UAL747, Take a look at this article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...=article&contentId=A45652-2003Feb8
60 N1120A : I did not say it wasn't, I just said they don't separate church and state. Then again, the do somethings, like health care, better than the US does.
61 UAL747 : I read the article BA, but all it basically states is that Bush and Sharon are surfing the same political and diplomatic wave. What I want to know is
62 Rjpieces : Good article BA, for a change. Bush is pretty much acknowledged as the best friend Israel has had in the Oval office ever, even by a large share of Am
63 Post contains links Allstarflyer : Yeah, you do that. In the meantime: Really? Like what? A lot of what they have had was lost in the war with Iraq, and we've been on other countries t
64 N1120A : You mean spreading occupation, resource stripping and conversion of course
65 RJpieces : I did not say it wasn't, I just said they don't separate church and state. Then again, the do somethings, like health care, better than the US does.
66 N1120A : I am well aware of this, but the Israeli constitution does not separate the two, the US C. does
67 BA : UAL747, Maybe these quotes will interest you: "The Capitol Hill is an Israeli occupied territory." - Patrick Buchanan, St. Louis Dispatch, October 20,
68 UAL747 : So then it was basically a Cold War era tool and after that, like many other countries, we got sucked into supporting them militarily? Don't you wish
69 Post contains links RJpieces : I am well aware of this, but the Israeli constitution does not separate the two, the US C. does If I'm not mistaken, Israel doesn't have a Constitutio
70 Allstarflyer : Yeah, I haven't really known what initial Lebanese intents may be in light of such an action. I believe I have heard, though, that Israel continually
71 RJpieces : BA, how nice of you to post the typical anti-semitic "Jews control foreign policy" crap. Pat Buchanan and a bunch of disgruntled extremist Congressmen
72 N1120A : You know well what I mean Considering Israel's foreign policy is plainly anti-semetic, I don't see what you are talking about. As far as Buchanon goe
73 RJpieces : As far as Buchanon goes, he is supposed to be a beacon of the right yet says this. Hardly. Buchanan has become an ardent isolationist, paleo-conservat
74 Post contains images BA : Regarding stolen French aircraft designs, I think he is talking about the IAI Nesher which was developped based on Dassault Mirage 5 plans stolen by I
75 N1120A : You mean the Wrong?
76 RJpieces : Similar to how I'd explain the Syrian-Lebanese relationship... Please, share it with us all.
77 LY7E7 : Oh, another stupid thread. Is there such a military plan? I am sure there is. Is it new? No, I'm sure it's been around since 1978 (or whenever the Isl
78 N1120A : I am sure you know exactly what Nabil would say
79 RJpieces : I am sure you know exactly what Nabil would say No, I'm not sure if he'll resort to blaming American Jews for lobbying for Israel, or American officia
80 N1120A : In analogizing to the Syria/Lebanon situation, he would be talking about one nation acting like a parasite on another nation's government.
81 RJpieces : In analogizing to the Syria/Lebanon situation, he would be talking about one nation acting like a parasite on another nation's government. You can't c
82 N1120A : Israel dictates US foreign policy. They plunder our technology and influence our electorate.
83 Allstarflyer : That's about the most self-contradictory statement I've heard all day. -R
84 Allstarflyer : Humorous. You're saying Israel has a direct hand in how we interact with the Chinese? On our stand about Taiwan? On our stand on North Korea and thei
85 Post contains links BA : Oh please, Syria does not control Lebanon militarily. The Lebanese Army which is energized has 72,000 troops while tired Syrian troops numbered a mea
86 Allstarflyer : As much as I love and support Israel, I think Sharon may have been sipping a bit much on that Greek stuff, Uzo (spelling) or maybe some Vodka to calm
87 N1120A : Well, there is the crux of the whole issue. People ignore the second side of the issue and the ones less like the Western powers get the shaft
88 RJpieces : Israel has a lot of influence on US foreign policy through the MANY Jewish/Israeli lobby groups and Israeli leaders themselves. BA, read this article
89 Post contains images Tbar220 : Best post of the entire thread! Well shit, I'm glad I know that now. Care to explain this one? This is definitely a new accusation. You're saying tha
90 LY7E7 : No , wait, that's only our first step on the way of dominating the entire word. (Insert evil laugh here)
91 Falcon84 : Well, I normally stay out of this forum because of the pure racism and uneducated idiocy spewed throughout. BA pointed me to the news about this act o
92 Russophile : Why are you people arguing over a non-issue? Iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapons program. Iran is pursuing a nuclear energy program. The reactor is
93 Post contains images Tbar220 : Russo, Really? You just know all this? At a time when intelligence communities around the world are debating whether or not Iran is going after nuclea
94 Bill142 : Just like the americans sat by and let North Korea get nukes? I would be worried more about North Korea using nuclear weapons the Iran. Iran will onl
95 Tbar220 : Hmmm... I think these are two different situations. I don't think Israel should let Iran get nuclear weapons because Iran has supported violence agai
96 Post contains images Solarix : Really? So you mean when I visit Tehran I can run down the street shouting anti-government slogans and not be arrested? Wow!! Does this also mean tha
97 L-188 : Blame Bill, it was his administration that came up with that no-nukes-for-oil deal that North Korea went back on.
98 Jalto27R : Hey just checking in, and I'm really glad people enjoyed this topic. I found it interesting and learned alot about Israeali-Iranian past relations, an
99 Post contains images BA : Iran is not a democracy but it is quite close to being one as it contains many democratic practices. MANY of its leaders are democratically elected a
100 N1120A : Well, they often do run around in bikinis on private beaches in Bandar Abbas, but I digress. And they are hit or miss, either really hot or not at al
101 Post contains images Nosedive : Ok, only b/c you like tossing out the word puppet so much, what all did he do for the US that would make him a puppet? Or we could blame the Internat
102 Falcon84 : Iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapons program. Sure, Russophile, and the Pope is Jewish, right? If you really believe that, then you don't need any m
103 N1120A : Well, he saved the US flag carrier from going under, supported US government policy all over the globe with money and resources. Major investment in
104 N1120A : Who is in no way related to Iran. In fact, Iran will arrest him if he sets foot in the country
105 Falcon84 : N1120A, you're really not very bright are you? BA mentioned how the Islamic world doesn't like the spread of western culture, and I was pointing out t
106 Russophile : OK, people such as Falcon84, Tbar220, etc are now being put on the spot. Put up or shut up. Show us just one piece of evidence which proves that Iran
107 Post contains links BA : Okay Falcon84, do you have a better reason of why Iranians resent America so much? Please I would love to hear it. My friend, you are the so-called "
108 N1120A : Um, well, lets see. I certainly know more about Iran than you do. I am a Ph.D candidate in political science concurrent with a JD. Oh, and I know the
109 Russophile : Funny. People, oh, I mean American lapdogs, on these forums speak rubbish, and when they are asked to back up their assertions, they are nowhere to be
110 Post contains images JGPH1A : At last, LY7E7's true identity is revealed !
111 QR332 : The country is an Islamic republic, what is it that you are expecting exactly? Does a country have to have a couple of hundred porn sites to be consi
112 Tbar220 : I stand by what I said. If there isn't a possibility that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, why is this even an issue? Why is the whole world watch
113 Post contains images N1120A : No, Israel persecutes Arabs, shows hatred toward Arabs, and guess what? Arabs are Semites. With a disproportionate degree of political and economic c
114 LY7E7 : Here's an idea then : lets introduce a quota on Jews performing executive political and economical work. While we're at it lets through academic post
115 Post contains links Tbar220 : Sharon authorized a contingency plan. All armies have these, this should not be a big deal. This is a whole other topic, I'm not going to draw out a
116 RJpieces : With a disproportionate degree of political and economic clout Jews have a disproportionate percentage in every professional field. What do you sugges
117 Tbar220 : And why is this anti-semitism RJpieces? These people will tear you apart if you dare utter that horrible phrase. So elaborate, don't just say it.
118 RJpieces : And why is this anti-semitism RJpieces? It's the ageold myth that Jews are conspiring to control the world. In this case, N1120A alluded to Jews contr
119 N1120A : The Wikipedia is not exactly the world wide best in knowledge. They are wrong Might have something to do with evangelical christians wanting their sa
120 Tbar220 : Is that the best you can do? Pathetic, try again. You can find many more sources which say that anti-semitism is hatred and persecution of Jews.
121 N1120A : Because of the bias that has taken into the coloquialism since anti-semitism toward Jews has been more visible than that toward other semites.
122 RJpieces : Because of the bias that has taken into the coloquialism since anti-semitism toward Jews has been more visible than that toward other semites. Uh huh
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