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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

After the last topic was so abruptly ended, let's try this again. I'm so glad that copies of deleted posts are included in the deletion notices. It makes re-posting the topic a lot easier. So here it is again, this time somewhat edited.

(for those of you who missed it the first time, the original topic came about as a result of a private nastygram that someone who shall remain nameless sent me, and was too good not to share. It was in response to something I said in a topic about bumper stickers.)

Anyway, let's talk about that elephant in the room, namely illegal immigration.

For starters...why is everyone afraid of the term "illegal", opting to take the spineless euphemism of "undocumented" immigrant? Hell, I still call them something else that I'm not afraid to say, except to type. But it's a two syllable word. The first syllable rhymes with "get" and the second rhymes with "track".

When discussing the topic, many supporters of said illegal immigration get very defensive, saying that people like me are "racist" and that these people "only want to make a better life for themselves.

Fine. If you think me calling a spade a spade, namely that 98% of illegal aliens that come here are Latino, so be it. The truth is the truth and your mind is already made up.

But nobody has a problem with ANYONE coming over here to better their lives.

That's not the issue.

The issue, which people like my buddy here love to ignore is this:

1. We are a sovereign nation. We have rules and laws. Rules and laws that need to
be obeyed, including WHEN, HOW, AND, WHERE TO IMMIGRATE.

2. I will give anyone $10,000 cash to someone who can show me a neighborhood that's comprised primarily of illegal immigrants, and the neighborhood is in as good, or better condition as any "legal" city, such as Costa Mesa, Huntington Beach, Upland, Palm Springs, or Arcadia. The fact of the matter is that locales with high illegal immigration, are in fact, run down eyesores with high rates of burglary, vandalism, robbery, and so on. Wherever illegals congregate, crime rises and property values fall. That's not racism.

That's fact.

3. I, as a US born citizien and taxpayer am under no legal or moral obligation to
reward people who came to this country illegally.

4. Hospitals are closing by the dozen because they are quite literally being overrun by people (namely illegal aliens) who show up, demand-and get services, and then are unable (or unwilling) to pay for it. A little over a year ago, my father nearly died waiting in the emergency room with full blown meningitis. He waited for over 12 hours despite his splitting headache, inability to even stand or walk, or think coherently while dozens after dozens of people yelling "¡Yo tienne Medical!¡Yo tienne Medical" were taken in for nothing more than routine checkups. And the so-called "emergencies" were childbirth and paper cuts-problems that WILL resolve themselves, medical care or no medical care.

5. Giving illegal aliens drivers licenses will open the door to more public benefits,
access to voting, and getting better jobs that they would not otherwise DESERVE.That's what they are really after. Supporters of giving drivers licenses argue that 1) they are driving anyway, and 2) the roads will actually be safer because these people will be "trained" and "will buy insurance".

Huh?

First off, it IS true that they are driving anyway. It's not because it's a lost cause like prohibition was. It's a lost cause because none of our so-called leaders have the gonads to enforce the laws and round these lawbreakers up, split up families if necessary, sieze their cars, all monies on their person, and ship their asses back to Mexico.

If you think I am advocating treating the illegals the same was as the Gestapo rounded up the Jews, then you read me loud and clear.

To suggest that illegals will run out in droves and buy insurance for their cars is nothing short of asinine and ludicrous. First of all, illegals, just by virtue of their presence have already flipped the bird at our judicial system and our laws. Where is the incentive for them to go out and buy something as intangible as insurance? To them, that money would be better spent on Cerveza, spinner hub caps, food, and tacos.

Just answer me this:The population of California is aprox. 37,000,000.

What is the compelling need to increase this population by supporting illegal
immigration. Honestly. Can you give me some good compelling reasons why we need to support the influx of aprox. 1,000 illegal aliens daily into this country?

We already have overcrowded conditions in our schools, hospitals (which I already mentioned), jails (for which we can always make room for more illegals), cities and highways. So, why do we need to add to this misery by importing more of it? Just try driving anywhere here in SoCal. The roads are miserable. Every damn place you go is a wait. Now granted, I'm, not laying the blame for the crowding squarely on the shoulders of the illegals, as it's also people moving here from Asia and the Midwest as well. But they are at least coming here, for the most part, legally.

It has to stop somewhere sometime before we start looking like India or China with all their over population problems.

The obvious question is why doesn't Mexico support their own people? Is it because they are over populating their own country due to the practices of the Catholic Church which advocates nobirth control? I'm sure that's part of it.

Why do we support politicians whom turn a blind eye to illegal immigration, interpet and bend the constitution and break the United States immigrations laws in order to allow them here? Why are these politicians so bent on giving rights to Illegal aliens, non citizens of this country?

The issue that will define our era and determine the nations future is illegal
immigration. Political debate is full of schemes like guest worker programs and
temporary worker cards to allow illegals to stay. And then once they've had a taste of our "good life", why in the world would they go back?

Also, despite what these bleeding hearts love to tell us, it's not that they fill jobs that Americans just dont want to do, such as gardening, picking up trash, waiting tables, and so on.

Prior to about 25 years ago, who did these jobs?

Who does them in states where there aren't large populations of illegals?

That's right....American Teenagers.

Unfortunately, with the advent of the self esteem movement, they're right. These self-absorbed, spoiled rotten Americans demand to be CEO of something, making six figure salaries before their 20th birthday. So yeah, mowing lawns for 50 bucks a day is beneath them. They wouldn't be able to afford their cell phones, designer clothing, and TV DVD players otherwise.

Such (guest worker) programs are really just political doublespeak from politicians who lack the intestinal fortitude to protect the borders of the United States.

The truth is President Bush is pushing the guest worker plan because he is trying to appease Mexican President Vicente Fox who wants the borders between Mexico and the U.S. and Canada open, just like the European Union.

Prior to the 9/11 terrorist attacks, President Bush and Fox agreed to consider granting permanent residency and green cards to as many as three million Mexicans living illegally in the United States. The plan was temporarily sidetracked in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, but now the White House has put it back on the agenda.

Fox thinks that the best way to save Mexicos failing economy is to grab hold of
ours. Fox's plan offers very little advantage to the United States. It has been documented that nearly all of the money that these illegals get their hands on gets shipped right back to Mexico.

Economically speaking, the plan offers no hope to solving Mexicos institutional
ills. The reason is that Mexicos economic problems are created by the fact that
Mexico is a socialist country that denies private ownership of property to its people, and taxes businesses to pay for just about any confiscation scheme its corrupt government can dream up.

It's the same old story. Socialism can't survive without a free market and/or sky high punitive taxes to prop it up. Mexico has sunk to the depths of socialist depravity and now desperately needs the U.S. economy to save it. Apparently, Fox has never considered fixing his own economy. Like all drowning despots, his only plan of action is to cling to our economy until it too starts to sink under the weight of a hoard of illegal aliens. Mr Fox, not being stupid, knows very well the Political Correctness attitude of this country and knows that anyone who dares oppose this influx will be commiting political suicide.

These law breakers, with Fox's help and encouragement, are rushing across the border for American goodies.

And the law says that because I'm white, a taxpayer, and actually made something for myself, I owe the illegals a living.

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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

The biggest load of crap I always hear is when people say that this is a nation built on immigrants, and this is continuing the tradition. That is true, but the big difference is: my relatives came here LEGALLY! They didn't sneak over fences and cross rivers, running away from the border patrol. They came here the way normal people do, by obtaining the proper paperwork and not sneaking over. It makes me sick.

Harry



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8725 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1):
my relatives came here LEGALLY

However, you can't say that for the people who founded the nation and made it as large as it is today. OK, there weren't any visa issues back then, but as George Carlin said, the settlers made Native Americans "a little hard to find"...



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User currently offlineN317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Matt D in 2008. Right on man. Seal up the borders, give the illegals a warning shot over the forehead. If they don't stop then put the next one through it.

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Quoting N317AS (Reply 3):
Matt D in 2008. Right on man. Seal up the borders, give the illegals a warning shot over the forehead. If they don't stop then put the next one through it.

Advocating the murder of illegal aliens is not a solution. While it is approved of applauded on sites like Libertypost.org, I doubt 90% of the people here would support such an idea. Plenty of things can be done to deal with the problem of illegal immigration without resorting to killing people.



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User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

without those illegals, our economy would be worse off. Have you ever studied economics? You might be familier with the velocity of money. These people provide services which they are paid for, they then buy things they need to live (cheap apartments, food) in turn the people who made money on them pay taxes on their income, and buy more goods and services which in turn gets taxed (sales tax, corporate income tax,etc) those companies buy things etc etc and it keeps going.


In the end the 1 dollar that illegal spends in the US turns into 10 dollars or more of GDP and 1 dollar in taxes, there is a big picture here that is not being thought about.

We won't even talk about the macro-economic issue of current accounts and trade deficits - but cheap labor in the US is better than cheap labor in China.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1):
The biggest load of crap I always hear is when people say that this is a nation built on immigrants, and this is continuing the tradition. That is true, but the big difference is: my relatives came here LEGALLY! They didn't sneak over fences and cross rivers, running away from the border patrol.

So you have people who want to seal the borders and pretty much bring immigration to a halt...



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Illegal immigrants are a drain on the economy. They send much of their earnings back to their 3rd world country of origin. They also depress wages in the US and other Western nations.

I say build bigger/stronger fences on the Mexican border. Round up ALL illegals and deport them. On a go-fwd basis, fine the Mexican govt $10k for each illegal caught trying to cross into the US. Problem solved.



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User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 7):
fine the Mexican govt $10k for each illegal caught trying to cross into the US. Problem solved.

That would certainly boost the economy. You are really smart.  Silly


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Without illegal immigration, existing unemployment would decline. There is no such thing as jobs no one wants to do -- without illegals, garbage cleanup and vegetable picking would become lucrative for America's poor. I don't mind paying $2.99 for a winter cucumber from California vs the current $1.99. With such an epidemic of obesity, higher food prices might not be a bad thing anyway.

That would certainly boost the economy. You are really smart.

It sounds like you're in favour of illegal immigration. Indians are one of the biggest sources of illegal immigration into all Western nations (not surprising given the inhumane poverty in your country). As an Indian, perhaps you are only interested in more Indians in the West, whether legal or illegal.



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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Actually, the real answer is to get Mexico's economy in shape. However that will require a significant amount of reform and passage of occupational safety laws there. Since they're still trying to clean up corruption in some government departments, I'm not holding my breath on that one.

As for fences, that idea faces two significant problems-1) there are areas along the US-Mexican border where the terrain is such that erecting and maintaining a fence would be prohibitive and 2) whatever fence you build, the "coyotes" will have the tools to deal with. Trafficking illegals is a big business that is supported under the table by many big businesses here in the states. Also, the Mexican government provides information to their nationals on how to survive a trek across the Sonoran desert and find their way into the states. That is a long established fact here in the southwest. Heck, when some local ranchers complained to the US Border Patrol about illegals constantly cutting their fences down, you know what the response was? The officer in charge told them that they simply didn't have enough manpower to net every illegal and that if they wanted the fence cutting to stop, then they should build stair across them!

Lastly, the pay for US Border Patrol officers has historically never been that competitive compared to other agencies, the working conditions are much worse and for a while, their pre-employment requirements were so stringent that many otherwise competant law enforcement officers could not meet them. Within the last few years, they dropped Spanish as a pre-employment requirement and do Spanish instruction for their officers since that requirement caused them to lose many applicants who were otherwise qualified.



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User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 9):
It sounds like you're in favour of illegal immigration.

Why should I be? It is only your weird thinking that makes you feel so.
I am for more stricter borders and all illegal immigrants(to be) should be stopped at the border itself. I believe that crime rates, unemployment etc. will increase with illegal immigration.

Why did you migrate to Canada?

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 9):
As an Indian, perhaps you are only interested in more Indians in the West, whether legal or illegal.

Don't a$$ume things. I don't care about Indians or anybody for that matter.
You know nothing about me. If you call me an Indian, I should not be calling you a Canadian either.


User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

Thank you, thank you, thank you Matt D for speaking about this. The question of Illegal immigration has made me wonder why the hell I am a Republican. I'm sick and tired of this president allowing those who cheat the system to have amnesty once they reach here. We need someone who will protect the United States from millions of leaf-blowers to overrun the country and turn this into a Mexican territory.

Also, I wanted to add this reason to why Illegals need to be stopped. Immigration is simply a national security issue too. It's already been proven time and again that Al-Qaida and others who want the destruction of the United States have used the Mexican boarder as a way to get into the country undetected. I'm afraid to even think about how many terrorist have been able to get into the country and set up terrorist attacks. The boarders have to be sealed up NOW and the millions of illegals in this country need to be rounded up and put on a bus back to Mexico.

signed
Matthew



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

You raise a couple of good points there Yanks. I don't really consider myself Republican or Democrat per se, although my beliefs do tend to the Conservatove-and thus-GOP side. But that doesn't mean I don't have some real huge beefs with them.

For starters, there is a hole big enough to fly an A340 through when it comes to their "right to life" stance. They are tripping over themselves to outlaw all abortions under all circumstances at all costs.

I don't agree with that. While I'm certainly opposed to abortion as a form of birth control, there are some instances where a pregnancy can be a legitimate medical emergency.

The GOP is doing everything they can to make sure that every life is born. But once it is, it is on its own, even if the parents cannot sustain that life. Although I believe 110% in "sink or swim", I would rather see the focus shifted towards accountability and responsibility education. In other words, if you can't afford a kid, then don't conceive one.

Problem solved.

My other gripe with the GOP is while they claim to be anti-illegal, secretly, they always manage to look the other way and sweep it under the rug whenever the issue comes up. As noted above, the reason is simple economics: Big Business LOVES the cheap labor. And as we all know, Big Business equals GOP.

So here we have our quandary. The GOP looking for a source of cheap labor. And the Dems wanting to turn the Rio Grande into Ellis Island West, because they know that legitimizing illegals will be a staggering gold mine of votes, thus ensuring that the Dems attain and maintain power.

So you see: the Hard Core on both sides have a vested interest in allowing illegals in, which certainly adds to why they both love to tiptoe and dance around the issue without really taking it head on.

And all the while, the rest of us in the middle are getting screwed.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 11):
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 9):
It sounds like you're in favour of illegal immigration.

Why should I be? It is only your weird thinking that makes you feel so.

Touchy huh? You jumped all over my comments opposing illegals. Hence, it sounds like you're in favour of them.

Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 11):
I am for more stricter borders and all illegal immigrants(to be) should be stopped at the border itself. I believe that crime rates, unemployment etc. will increase with illegal immigration.

Really? Then I presume you would be in favour of returning the thousands (actually, hundreds of thousands) of illegals Indians in the West back to mother India? It would mean a much smaller Indian population in the West you know.

Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 11):
I don't care about Indians or anybody for that matter.
You know nothing about me.

Well, just about everyone on your RR list is Indian. You're from Trivandrum, which is in India. You have an Indian name. You post primarily in Indian or immigration threads. Hence it seems you care primarily about fellow Indians.

I'm sick and tired of this president allowing those who cheat the system to have amnesty once they reach here. We need someone who will protect the United States from millions of leaf-blowers to overrun the country and turn this into a Mexican territory.

I agree. But Bush has been co-opted by his fear of offending the powerful Texan Mexican vote and the Florida Cuban vote, so basically being pro-Latino in the US means you have to be pro-illegal immigration.



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User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 12):
Also, I wanted to add this reason to why Illegals need to be stopped. Immigration is simply a national security issue too. It's already been proven time and again that Al-Qaida and others who want the destruction of the United States have used the Mexican boarder as a way to get into the country undetected. I'm afraid to even think about how many terrorist have been able to get into the country and set up terrorist attacks. The boarders have to be sealed up NOW

Yanks, while it is not out of the realm of possibilty that they can get in through Mexico, you need to stop eating up all of the fear tactics that this administration is feeding you. FYI, not one of the 19 9/11 hijackers snuck illegally across a border. All of them came here "legally," even though passports were doctored up. Part of the blame lies on the legal way to get into this country.

And Matt, I agree completely with you about illegal immigrants. There needs to be a change in action on the borders. To do that, more money is needed, but unfortunatley, it is being sent elsewhere as of now....  Angry



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

Quoting KYIPpilot (Reply 15):
FYI, not one of the 19 9/11 hijackers snuck illegally across a border. All of them came here "legally," even though passports were doctored up. Part of the blame lies on the legal way to get into this country.

You beat me to this point if you really are all against people entering your country illegaly the US has the power over most counties to run checks on everybody that wants to cross-over. Illegals are in the US because they are wanted and I think that they are more wanted by the GOP than the dems.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 7):
fine the Mexican govt $10k for each illegal caught trying to cross into the US. Problem solved.

How is Mexico to blame for this, its the US that is letting these people into the country, Mexico isn't forcing them out and therefore isn't responsible.



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User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
Touchy huh? You jumped all over my comments opposing illegals. Hence, it sounds like you're in favour of them

You should be a detective, they need sharp guys like you. laughing 

I don't have any reason to be in favor of illegal immigrants as I came to Canada legally and through the proper process and was accepted to Canada based on my qualifications. I really got high points to qualify as a skilled immigrant which I doubt you would get , if you were to compete with me.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
You have an Indian name.

Are you sure?

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
Really? Then I presume you would be in favour of returning the thousands (actually, hundreds of thousands) of illegals Indians in the West back to mother India? It would mean a much smaller Indian population in the West you know.

Of course yes,I do not support any illegal immigrants, be it from India or anywhere else.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
Well, just about everyone on your RR list is Indian.

You are not right, only 4 out of 10 in my RU list are Indians. And the respected list consists of all Canadians only(even though small in no.). I discuss in Indian threads as much as you do, but I know a lot more about India, it's positives and negatives.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
Hence it seems you care primarily about fellow Indians.

I don't know of any Indian illegal Immigrants on A.net.

Neil, you are really funny. Thanks for studying my bio-data.


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

Ultimately, the problem lies with us, the American citizens! How we deal with it depends on us, not what foreign countries want us to do for their people who don't like where they came from enough to stay.

Doesn't matter if the illegal immigrant is from Ho Chi Minh City or Hannover, folks.

I have no problem with someone coming here legally and following the rules to become a citizen. My Mom and her family did the same from Great Britain in the '50's, by way of Canada. My Dad's ancestors did the same right about the time the "First Reich" was established, in 1871, from the Hannover area of Germany.

Here's where I struggle with the immigration problem, as do many others, I'm sure:

- Person X from Country Y decides that life in Country Y sucks, there's no jobs, etc., and decides to come here. They find a way to sneak in, and under the guise of finding work in a field or greasy spoon restuarant, claim they all of a sudden have a right to be here, and stay here. In order to bolster their right, they find a nice young lady, impregnate the nice young lady, and then has the kid(s) right here, with the cost of birth paid for by...US taxpayers! Now, with the little one now being a bona fide US citizen, how could the evil US government (insert your hated president's name here) deport them and their citizen child?

I don't have all the answers. To say that we should seal the borders to everyone is in my case hypocritical. Not that I'd have a problem being German or British, but I'm glad my ancestors and grandparents made the decision they did. At some point, they dealt with the same issues about their first born in the USA as we are discussing here.


User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 13):
And the Dems wanting to turn the Rio Grande into Ellis Island West, because they know that legitimizing illegals will be a staggering gold mine of votes, thus ensuring that the Dems attain and maintain power.

ummmm...... Latinos who could vote went with Bush for his "Moral" values platform.

The Republicans (which I have been in the past) are smart to look the other way, see post 5. it's plain economics.

This is a global economy, there is no turning back unless we want the US to become a Third World country.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 17):
I really got high points to qualify as a skilled immigrant which I doubt you would get , if you were to compete with me.

You wanna bet? I'm well educated, and prosperous. I also speak English.



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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 12):
I'm sick and tired of this president allowing those who cheat the system to have amnesty once they reach here.

Uh, the President has not granted "amnesty" to any illegal alien. The President has never proposed "amnesty" for illegal aliens. (Actually Congress would have to do it, not the President but facts rarely seem to matter when it comes to this issue.) The President has said "amnesty" is not the solution because all it does is cause more illegal immigration.

What the President proposes is to allow those who want to come here to work to apply, register, and then come here for short periods of time. The purpose behind this is two fold. One it allows people to come here and work, keeps them within the system where they pay taxes and makes sure we're keeping track of those crossing the border. If it works, it would help to reduce the overall number of illegal border crossers by a huge amount. This would make the situation along the border easier and it could be assumed that most people crossing are either drug runners or those crossing with the intention of committing violent crimes. Those kind can be dealt with in a different manner than a woman carrying a small child.



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User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 20):
I also speak English.

That's really great. I am shocked.

Also, forgot to mention "Neil" is also an Indian name and it means "blue" colour.


User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting KYIPpilot (Reply 15):
Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 12):
Also, I wanted to add this reason to why Illegals need to be stopped. Immigration is simply a national security issue too. It's already been proven time and again that Al-Qaida and others who want the destruction of the United States have used the Mexican boarder as a way to get into the country undetected. I'm afraid to even think about how many terrorist have been able to get into the country and set up terrorist attacks. The boarders have to be sealed up NOW

Yanks, while it is not out of the realm of possibilty that they can get in through Mexico, you need to stop eating up all of the fear tactics that this administration is feeding you. FYI, not one of the 19 9/11 hijackers snuck illegally across a border. All of them came here "legally," even though passports were doctored up. Part of the blame lies on the legal way to get into this country.

KYIPilot, let me give you this scenario: let's say you are a terrorist and you want to carry out an attack in the United States. Now there are a two ways you can get into the country: through a visa or through the boarders. Now you want to get in the country as quiet as possible. If you go with a visa, there's a chance that they may get to you and stop you from coming in. However, if you go through the boarders, you could get in here with out anyone knowing. You look at the Canadian boarder, but you see it is a little too protected, but you then look at Mexico and that the Americans are doing little to nothing about protecting it. Now you would have to be a complete idiot to choose the Canadian boarder over the Mexican boarder. See my point?

signed
Matthew



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 23):
You look at the Canadian boarder, but you see it is a little too protected, but you then look at Mexico and that the Americans are doing little to nothing about protecting it. Now you would have to be a complete idiot to choose the Canadian boarder over the Mexican boarder. See my point?

Actually, the Cdn border is not as tight as it should be. Canada is a known haven for Islamic extremists and their supporters. I do agree that America's Achilles Heel is its 2 land borders. It's far too easy to slip into the US, particularly from Mexico. An impenetrable fence is needed. Now.

Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 22):
Also, forgot to mention "Neil" is also an Indian name and it means "blue" colour.

Cool. Matches my eye colour. Anyway, it remains primarily a Scottish name here in the West. Where I live.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 KYIPpilot : No, because you still have a chance of being caught if you sneak in as well. Although there aren't near enough, there are border patrols that use vehi
26 LTBEWR : As to the 'illegals' from Mexico, the most dominate group of non-citizens whom work illegally here, almost all of them come here to work. They are als
27 StarAC17 : Yanks, the US Canadian border is the longest undefended border in the world there is no fence on any of it, the US mexico border at least has that. O
28 JpetekYXMD80 : Amen!! I recommend for fun to do a CTRL+F through this thread for 'boarder'. Quite entertaining.
29 Airlinerfreak : I have a soft spot for immigration here as I just did a report on the Indians and how we immigrated into their land and kicked them off their land. We
30 Yanksn4 : What we are complaining about is that illegal immigrants have broken U. S. law. They have cut in line of those who try to come here legally and wait
31 Airlinerfreak : We did it to the Indians what is your point. They did not only have to pay in a $ amount they had to pay in a people amount. They lost their people be
32 Yyz717 : It is our fault Tim. A terrorist against the US is a terrorist against Canada. THe US is our best friend -- we share the same goals. If Canada harbou
33 Post contains images Mrniji : wonderful, I wll report you to themods. Reposting deleted post = ban
34 SLC1 : Maybe we'd have fewer illegals if INS got their act together, or if maybe, just maybe, we didn't practtically beg illegals to come and stay, then comp
35 ANCFlyer : Wow, I almost agree a hundred percent with Yyz717 - call Guiness . . . Ahhh, candidate for Understatement of the Decade!!! Interesting theory - I con
36 LY7E7 : MattD, Were your predecessors legal immigrants? Did they apply for a green card while living in Ireland/Italy/Wherever in Europe? America is built by
37 L410Turbolet : A bit exteme? No it just shows who you truly are.
38 Post contains links Jaysit : Indians are one of the biggest sources of illegal immigration into all Western nations. This is factually wrong. In the US, ins figures for 2000 (last
39 Luisde8cd : Thank god that the people that rule the United States don't think like some a.net members.
40 Mrniji : So, even he benefits form illegal immegration, eh? Hey you, imagine all these illegal immigrants weren't there, that would mean: "LESS FOOD"!! Does i
41 SKYSERVICE_330 : If Canada really were such a haven wouldn't the U.S. have closed the border after 9/11? Can you provide any sources for this so-called 'haven' claim?
42 Cadet985 : In addition to this, what makes me sick is that many immigrants come here, live here for like 20 years, and fail to learn English. I know from talkin
43 Avianca : all illigals would be happy if you could say them what is the way to go to america legally. Yes for poor people from 3rd world countrys there is " no
44 Newark777 : Are you sure you know what you are talking about? Have you ever heard of Ellis Island? Harry
45 Yyz717 : You have a point Avianca, but the West cannot afford to let ALL 3rd world migrants in that would want to. The West would be swamped, many times over.
46 Post contains images Newark777 : Along with ANCFlyer, I am in complete shock that I actually agree with you. Nice posts, by the way. Harry
47 Avianca : you can not compare Japan with the US or Canada, these two countrys are totally build up with immigrants. you are totally correct if you say criminal
48 Newark777 : Read you sentence again. Are illegal citizens criminals. OF COURSE THEY ARE! They broke laws in order to enter our country, therefore they are crimin
49 Post contains images Yyz717 : Japan is absolutely comparable to the US or Canada. Current immigration needs or policies have nothing to do with whether a country is "built up" wit
50 Avianca : not totally correct, many immigrants helped to built up germany and austria again after world war II. ok than the country USA is also criminal after
51 Newark777 : Nice try, trying to compare a bunch of poor Mexicans to the USA. I don't want to give you the pleasure of changing the subject, but I am very sorry t
52 Yyz717 : Austria is fairly homogenous by European standards. Ethnically, it's well over 95% Austrian. It does not have a history of immigration. Austrians bui
53 Travelin man : How about just change the law that automatically rewards US citizenship to illegal immigrants who have children in the US? A lot of illegals come acro
54 Jaysit : I think the answer is national racism by the Japanese, which seems to be accepted worldwide (I think it's accepted because the Japanese are non-white
55 Avianca : and if the UN had the legal control over the US it would be nothing changing due the US government do always what they do ... not it is not over 95pe
56 Newark777 : Why the hell should they get to stay here if they reach the beach? Dumbest idea I have ever heard. Again, there are huge amounts of people waiting to
57 Jaysit : Why the hell should they get to stay here if they reach the beach? It's called the Miami Cuban vote. The US has had a pro-Cuban immigration policy sin
58 Avianca : Yes this is also the dumbest idea what I have ever heard, but I heard about this law several times in the last years, in Television, Newspaper etc...
59 Yyz717 : I'm well aware of the Korean minority in Japan. They represent about 1% of the population and many were forced to change their names. They are not "S
60 Newark777 : Oh, I know the political reasons. Unfortunately, these political interests usually come first over everything else. I am just saying it is stupid fro
61 LHMARK : You know what sucks? Try being an American and moving to Europe. It's friggin' impossible.
62 Avianca : really? it is not at least the same as europe-usa?
63 DC10GUY : What a load of crap MattD, illegal Immigration happens for one reason. American greed. Slave labor is cheaper than the minimum wage. Its OK to keep st
64 NoUFO : Not at all. All you need to do is joining the Vietnamese cigarette mafia and you are a Berlin resident faster than you can empty a bottle of Berliner
65 Jaysit : You seem to be obsessed with your white/non-white nonsense. As do you. Why would I? I couldn't care less. With a white mother and a non-white father,
66 Post contains images Jasepl : Wow! Neil, is there anyone or any country you do like? Other than America, of course!
67 Post contains links KaiGywer : Now why should a person that came illegally into the country get an automatic Green card, when a person like myself, who entered legally, hasn't brok
68 Post contains images Yyz717 : Chuckle Jasepl. Of course! Most countries are a mix of positive & negative attributes. This is a discussion forum so it brings out the negative ones.
69 Stealthpilot : Illegal immigration must be controlled; I don’t think most people are against that. If hordes of people sneak into a country illegally and unaccount
70 Luisde8cd : For the pleasure of many Anti-inmigration people in this forums, here are some facts: - Latinos are 13% of the total US population. They are here to s
71 Newark777 : You took this all way too personally. First of all, this is not about normal immigration. This is about the people sneaking across our borders every
72 ANCFlyer : I could care less what the percentage happens to be - as long as they arrived legally, that's fine. . . swimming the river or walking across the dese
73 Post contains images Luisde8cd : Good for you ! I agree but that doesn't give you the right to put a bullet in their heads as some have said in this thread. Interesting.. care to sho
74 Travelin man : " target=_blank>http://uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/f...m#fba You are correct. In re-reading what I had written, it did not come out the way I intended
75 SLC1 : same sh*t different day.
76 Jasepl : Ha ha! I didn't think that was it, but if you say so, I'm not going to argue. That makes two of us then who are critical of India. I think I'm probab
77 Jaysit : Certainly we've made a lot of progress. But we tend to make far more noise about it than is justified. No arguments there. Working flush toilets for e
78 Jasepl : That list is endless. And it would be funny, if it weren't tragic. Since this is an Illegal Immigration topic though, I'd best make some mention of i
79 Lindy : You must be kidding me. Austria has HUGE history of immigration. In late 70s and early 80s, hundreds of thousands of people immigrated to Austira. I
80 Newark777 : I'm pretty sure I have never shot a Mexican in the head, and I am against people shooting them on sight. Although they are breaking laws and entering
81 Travelin man : I'm fairly certain this is incorrect, as I heard a huge debate going on about it. It is why pregnant women come across the border at or near the time
82 Avianca : I know several fríends that are borne in the US and the parents are not US citizen and they have the US cititzen...
83 Danny : This is not true. Every child born here automatically becomes US citizen. This is similar to most of democratic countries. However the birth of the c
84 Lindy : Probably I just misunderstood when I was reading about it some time ago. My bad. Rafal
85 Jasepl : That's not true anymore Danny. There's two principles re citizenship: Jus Sanguinis: The child's citizenship at birth is the same as that of one or b
86 Luisde8cd : When I first started school in the US I was put in an ESL class instead of regular Language Arts. I couldn't stand it and I asked to be changed to re
87 Newark777 : I am glad to hear you had a good experience in the US school system. I just wish everyone was as determined as you are to be successful and do their
88 LY7E7 : Have you ever heard of American history prior to Ellis Island?
89 Newark777 : Yes, but the majority of immigrants did not come over here in this time. Your claim that few immigrants were legally entering the US is ridiculous, a
90 LY7E7 : How come? Ellis Island and other immigration facilities were not established until early XXth century. By that time the US was already a powerful nat
91 Newark777 : But do you have any proof? Any links? Any evidence whatsoever? BTW The last time I checked, XX was not a number or a century. Harry
92 LY7E7 : Well , maybe you should improve your knowledge of academic terms. (then you can move on to your own country's history)
93 Post contains links L410Turbolet : I only hope you are joking. Or perhaps you just skipped school when they explained Arabic AND Roman digits??? http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/eprebel/
94 Post contains images Newark777 : Wow, looks like I hit a nerve with you guys. Next time I won't forget this little guy: . Anyway, I'm still looking for the evidence for your claims. H
95 AJBUS300 : Illegal immigration has been going on for MANY MANY years here in the US. I think a lot of you are focusing on TODAY's immigration ie Mexicans etc. Ju
96 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Welcome aboard! As I've said to others, wishing I had the same warning , strap in and hold on tight, non-av can get kinda sporty!
97 Post contains images Newark777 : That is very good, as long as they go through the proper channels and come legally. It doesn't matter what adversity they have gone through, they sti
98 Ghost77 : If illegal immigration was a problem for the US then it would have been sold YEARS or DECADES AGO. First of all, immigration to the US starts in Panam
99 ANCFlyer : Ha Ha Ha - at the risk of losing some friends (like SFOMEX) Mexican police aren't the least bit concerned with an illegal immigration problem . . . s
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