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Supreme Court Denies Schiavo Parents' Appeal  
User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday rejected an appeal by the parents of Terri Schiavo to have their severely brain-damaged daughter's feeding tube reinserted.

The court, without comment, refused to intervene after the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals twice Wednesday turned down a plea from the parents, Bob and Mary Schindler.

Justice Anthony Kennedy, who is responsible for emergency appeals from the 11th Circuit, signed the ruling."

More at: http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/24/schiavo/index.html

Glad to see the SC making the right choice.  duck 


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User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

It is time for Terri parents to do the right thing and let Terri go home to be with her maker.

This story has received an inappropriate amount of press coverage. Where was the national press the other day when the life support system of a 3 year old Texas boy was being removed.

There are other more important stories that Fox,CNN,and MSNBC could be covering such as the social security debate, and let not forget about the Red Lake Minnesota shooting, that story has basiclly dropped off the wires, perhaps the press doesnt care about life on Indian Reservations like they did for life in Littleton CO a few years back or are school shooting becoming to common???

Terri is brain dead there is nothing medically that can be done. Lets preserve the sanctity of marrige and let Terries husband be allowed to do the right thing and let Terri go home. I just wonder how much political fauder has been created over this, Ill bet the REP will use any NAY vote from a DEM during the recent vote on the HILL against them in the next election saying that they have no regard for life.........Just Watch.



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User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1103 times:

I just wonder why this woman's ordeal wasn't ended by lethal injection already... the woman should have been allowed to die with dignity... apparently that is not good enough for the Christian-right... what a bunch of lunatics they are!


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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5422 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1098 times:

Quoting A332 (Reply 2):
what a bunch of lunatics they are!

More like what a bunch of lunatics her parents are. http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/WolfsonReport.pdf. An excerpt:

Testimony provided by members of the Schindler family included very personal statements about their desire and intention to ensure that Theresa remain alive. Throughout the course of the litigation, deposition and trial testimony by members of the Schindler family voiced the disturbing belief that they would keep Theresa alive at any and all costs. Nearly gruesome examples were given, eliciting agreement by family members that in the event Theresa should contract diabetes and subsequent gangrene in each of her limbs, they would agree to amputate each limb, and would then, were she to be diagnosed with heart disease, perform open heart surgery. There was additional, difficult testimony that appeared to establish that despite the sad and undesirable condition of Theresa, the parents still derived joy from having her alive, even if Theresa might not be at all aware of her environment given the persistent vegetative state. Within the testimony, as part of the hypotheticals presented, Schindler family members stated that even if Theresa had told them of her intention to have artificial nutrition withdrawn, they would not do it.



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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1075 times:

Talk about total child abuse!! These parents have been abusing their daughter for years!


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13701 posts, RR: 61
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 1066 times:
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As I've posted in another thread - y'know, I keep hearing people say, "Let's err on the side of life."

I say, "Let's err on the side of the law."

And like it or not, the law says that Mr. Schiavo has the sole legal right to represent his wife and act on her behalf. The legal issues are over.

Let it go.



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User currently offlineTurtle From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 1053 times:

All I can say is that the guy in Florida who molested and killed the nine year old girl will probably die of a painless lethal injection. This poor woman who commited no crime an is now being starved and dehydrated to death. Even if she was just a teeny bit aware, it must be a miserable way to go. I'm not following the logic here. Capital crimminals get to die painlessly but, severly brain damaged people get to die a slow and probably quite the uncomfortable death.

User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5422 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 1049 times:

Actually, according to a few medical professionals who deal with hospices, starvation ISN'T a painful way to go.

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/05083/476836.stm


Instead of feeling pain, the patient experienced the characteristic sense of euphoria that accompanies a complete lack of food and water. She was cogent for weeks, chatting with her nursing home caregivers and writing letters to family and friends. As her organs finally failed, she slipped painlessly into a coma and died.

"What my patients have told me over the last 25 years is that when they stop eating and drinking, there's nothing unpleasant about it -- in fact, it can be quite blissful and euphoric," said Dr. Perry G. Fine, vice president of medical affairs at the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization in Arlington, Va. "It's a very smooth, graceful and elegant way to go."



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21796 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1019 times:

It may be a pleasant way to go (I don't know if I could really believe that), but it still takes a while.

I hate to say it, but I kind of wish that someone would just do some kind of lethal injection or something and end this. The longer it goes on the worse it gets.  Sad

-Mir



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User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1012 times:

Quoting Turtle (Reply 6):
All I can say is that the guy in Florida who molested and killed the nine year old girl will probably die of a painless lethal injection. This poor woman who commited no crime an is now being starved and dehydrated to death.

Right on. Murderers are treated better than this poor woman. If the whole Judicial Branch is sure they are doing the right thing, they should go all the way and allow Terri to die immediately and in a painless way, rather than two weeks of agony for her, her family and her friends.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 5):
As I've posted in another thread - y'know, I keep hearing people say, "Let's err on the side of life."

I say, "Let's err on the side of the law."

Agreed, Yet, it's pretty sad when life and law are in opposite sides. If you ask me which side is more important, life would be always my answer. If the law doesn't protect the most valuable thing we have, what is the law's purpose?


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5422 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 9):
rather than two weeks of agony for her, her family and her friends.

Again, SFO, read the above article I posted. Here's the key words you apparently ignored.

Instead of feeling pain, the patient experienced the characteristic sense of euphoria that accompanies a complete lack of food and water. She was cogent for weeks, chatting with her nursing home caregivers and writing letters to family and friends. As her organs finally failed, she slipped painlessly into a coma and died.



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User currently offlineLAS757300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 998 times:

Leave it to SFOMEX to make Republicans look stoopid. Ms. Schiavo has been given her due process - the courts determined, based on testimony by her husband and others, that is her wish. All this other stuff like the death penalty is irrelevant.

This woman is essentially a corpse who feels no pain and has no brain activity outside of the ability to produce involuntary lung, heart, and muscle function.



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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 988 times:

Guess SFO does not believe in the legality of marriage. If SFO realized he would know that she is being given pain medicine every day.


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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2556 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 961 times:

The fact is plain and simple that it is a legal matter, irregardless of the moral dilemma. As to euthanisia, no health professional in their right mind would even consider that in this case due to possible legal ramifications and ethical grounds. That being the case, all they can do is continue to adminster sedatives until she passes naturally.


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User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7334 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 957 times:

YAY!!! about bloody time. My faith in the world and it's ability to triumph in adversity is restored.

User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 950 times:

Quoting Rsmith6621a (Reply 1):
Ill bet the REP will use any NAY vote from a DEM during the recent vote on the HILL against them in the next election saying that they have no regard for life.........Just Watch.

Actually, based on all of the opinion polls, any Republican that tries to use this vote against an opponent will most likely be soundly drubbed out of office. The polls clearly show that the majority of the public feels the Legislative and Executive branches BOTH overstepped their legal bounds here. I think this will turn into a monumental political football - and not in favor of the Republicans who voted for this stupid legislation!

MxCtrlr  bouncy 



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User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2724 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 949 times:

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 13):
As to euthanasia, no health professional in their right mind would even consider that in this case due to possible legal ramifications and ethical grounds.

In the US that is, because over here in Belgium or Holland, the doctors would have stopped the feeding a few months after the diagnosis of an irreversible vegetative state as part of her final treatment, and in case the family agrees or the patient would have made a written statement, they would even help her to die by active euthanasia (euthanasia is completely legal in Belgium, even for patients which are not diagnosed to be irreversible!).

A professor in ethics compared the situation to a person having suffered a full cardiac arrest. EVERY doctor will try to recover the patient by kiss of life/electroshocks, yet if the patient is obviously irreversibly lost (after a few minutes), nobody can ask the doctor to go on four hours, days, weeks just to keep the circulation going, can they?


User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7334 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 917 times:

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 16):
A professor in ethics compared the situation to a person having suffered a full cardiac arrest. EVERY doctor will try to recover the patient by kiss of life/electroshocks, yet if the patient is obviously irreversibly lost (after a few minutes), nobody can ask the doctor to go on four hours, days, weeks just to keep the circulation going, can they?

That's a brilliant analogy - the best I have heard to describe the situation.


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