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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 841 times:

I have a hard drive space situation. I have two hard drives, C is 16GB and D is 58.5GB. The strange thing is, whenever I download some program that gives me information about my computer physically, it states I have one 80GB HD. I have found little purpose for cracking my case open, except to install a new video card (went from a SiS 650 integrated chip (thanks computer-clueless parents) to a 256MB nVidia) at which point I didn't even think of checking out the hard drive situation. So I question whether there is just a partition on it that I could boot off, or if it really is two drives. Could they be a master and slave?

Anyway, I wouldn't even care if I wasn't running low on space on C. C has just 435MB of free space, which I am not happy with because I can't defrag it properly nor do I have breathing room to install anything else large. D has 56.6GB of free space (it is completely empty but for Grand Theft Auto 2 (I know I'm out of date, but it's free at their website!)). If I do in fact have two physical drives, what should I move? I have a 2.4GHz P4 and 512MB of RAM, so I don't think this will be too time consuming, but the fragmented C drive is definitely damaging system performance. PC Pitstop affirms this. I am rather concerned that shifting files to my D drive will screw up filepaths, and I'd like to avoid that inconvenience as much as possible.

The breakdown of space usage on C is as follows:

Documents & Settings: 3.7GB
HJT (HijackThis): 256KB
nVidia: 18.6MB
Program Files: 7.11GB, around half of which is FS2004
ucd: (I question what this is, it doesn't look important, but there is an MS-DOS icon in it, which makes me hesitant): 1.06MB
WINDOWS: 2.5GB

1.3GB of Documents and Settings comes from my music collection, which is centrally located and could be easily moved.
As for programs, here are the big players

Flight Simulator 2004: 3.281GB + 799MB of downloaded freeware components
Midtown Madness 2: 389MB + 130MB of downloaded freeware
MS Office Pro 2003: 414MB
Risk 2: 312MB
MS Links LS 2000: 307MB
Java Runtime Environment: 130MB (was it actually nessecary for me to download this, for java on the internet)
Photoshop Elements 2: 95MB
Bearshare: 88MB
Adobe Reader 7: 62MB
WindowBlinds: 52MB

Anyway, my question is: what should I move? Advice is appreciated.

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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 826 times:

how do they show up in explorer? as one or two?

User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 817 times:

80GB these days are not enough. In my main computer I have the following:
(2) 250GB 1 @ 99% and the other at 50%
(1) 200GB in 100GB partitions - both partitions at around 90%
(2) 80GB both at abt 75%
(1) 40GB at around 40%

Trying to remember where files are can be a pain in the ass sometimes, but having a terabyte of data capacity, I still need a lot more. I have one more slot on a controller card, so I guess I have to get a 400.

What I would do in your situation - don't move anything. Your registry and operating system know where everything is. If you move it, the operating system will not know where it is. Here is what I would do:

Buy a 120 gig harddrive, and set it as master. Do a clean install of your preferred OS, and install the current drive as a slave, that way you still have all your data..

If you don't want to have to reinstall everything, you can clone your smaller drive onto larger drive without having to go thru much pain.

If you need any more help let me know.



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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 795 times:

Quoting Jfkaua (Reply 1):
how do they show up in explorer? as one or two?

They show up as two drives

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 2):
80GB these days are not enough. In my main computer I have the following:
(2) 250GB 1 @ 99% and the other at 50%
(1) 200GB in 100GB partitions - both partitions at around 90%
(2) 80GB both at abt 75%
(1) 40GB at around 40%

I'm very happy with 80GB thanks. As you can see from my numbers, I'm not close to using the entire setup.

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 2):
What I would do in your situation - don't move anything. Your registry and operating system know where everything is. If you move it, the operating system will not know where it is. Here is what I would do:

If I do it in Explorer? If that's the case, that's news to me.


User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 791 times:

You could do what I do and run a RAID array. Basically what that does is combine both drives so they show up as one. Very handy, I have and array that combines my 10GB and my 20GB so it shows up as a 30GB in windows, and I combined my 120GB and 40GB so it shows as a 160GB. But I would take Burke's advice here and get another HD, they arent that expensive, most under 100$ these days.

-Dan



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5136 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 784 times:

if software is saying you have an 80gb HD, then you probably have a single disk split into two partitions. The best solution would be to simply merge the two partitions so you have a single 80GB disk. Windows XP should do it by itself, otherwise use "Partition Magic" to merge them.

Other than that i would recommend moving some data onto your second partition. Moving your MP3 collection would be a great start, as there will be no links for them oher than in your playlist, which can easily be set up again. That will leave enough space to defrag. From then on install any new games onto the second partition.

Another option might be to uninstall FS9 and reinstall on the second partition.

BTW L1011 what the hell are you storing to use up 1 terrabyte of data? You must have a pretty large film collection on there..?



That'll teach you
User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 785 times:

Quoting L.1011 (Reply 3):
If I do it in Explorer? If that's the case, that's news to me.

These programs will give you problems if you move them. They all make notations in the registry, and editing the registry can be a scary thing.
Flight Simulator 2004
Midtown Madness 2
MS Office Pro 2003
MS Links LS 2000
Java Runtime Environment
Photoshop Elements 2
Adobe Reader 7
WindowBlinds

As for the other programs, I don't know anything about them, so they could also be the same way.

Another way to do things, would be to uninstall the above programs, and install them again. When it asks you for a location to install, it will probably say something like c:program filesbla bla, you just change the c to a d.



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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 767 times:

Alright, my Device Manager shows it as one drive, so I should just be able to drop the partition and use them as one drive, right?

User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 755 times:

Dropping partition = losing everything.


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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 738 times:

Well, I could move what is currently on my D partition to my C partition, temporarily, and then drop the D partition, giving me a single 80GB C drive, could I not?

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8705 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 736 times:

Don't you dare doing anything without BACKING UP your important stuff on a device that is physically separated from your PC!!

Edit: That being said, I'll go ahead and try adding my  twocents :

Quoting L.1011 (Reply 9):
Well, I could move what is currently on my D partition to my C partition, temporarily, and then drop the D partition, giving me a single 80GB C drive, could I not?

I assume you got the letter wrong, right? If your C partition is already full, you can't really copy anything from D to it, can you? If you can because it's not that full yet, forget what I said; your idea should work in case the software you have supports that kind of stunt. But again: BACK UP your stuff before you touch anything.

[Edited 2005-03-28 02:15:18]


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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 728 times:

Well, Aloges, the drive isn't full to the brim, I think with a little bit of creativity I could cram the little bit that's on D onto the C. Should I look at picking up an Iomega Rev drive and backing up all of C? I also have another question. Why the hell would Sony or Seagate have put the partition on in the first place? What possible benefit does it serve?

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8705 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 726 times:

Well, there's a heap of gadgets you can use to backup your files. I'd recommend a LAN, but that depends on availability, of course. If you want the highest security you can get, have someone who knows what he's doing connect your HDD to his computer and copy everything from your drive to his. It's relatively easy and cheap and your drive can do whatever it wants without making you lose anything important.

As for the partitions, many distributors advertise that one (usually the smallest) partition is for the OS and other system software while others can be used for office software, games and all kinds of files - how that is supposed to be better than just separate folders is beyond me. Sure, you can easily format one of those partitions, but you can just as well perma-delete files using software that overwrites them with senseless data several times.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 721 times:

Considering that I already experienced two catastrophic computer crashes that are even within my memory (we already had a dinosaur 25MHz NEC when I was born), I was thinking about a REV drive anyway. Might that be a good idea? Especially considering that there are some files that I wouldn't really appreciate a data recovery guy viewing.

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8705 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 713 times:

Tsk, tsk, tsk, L.1011...  Silly

I can't exactly give you advice on that REV drive, but I can say that I wouldn't spend any money on a drive that I'd use only a few times, there are cheaper ways. You could copy those very personal files (and maybe your email inbox & outbox, too) to a USB memory stick or some other low-cost storage device you may already have and then ask someone you can trust if he can help you.

You see, I don't want you to spend any money on drives or services you don't need. Usually, opening a PC case doesn't void any warranties and it can save you the money you'd spend on an external backup drive. If a friend who knows what he's doing agrees on copying all your files (minus the personal ones you should have backed up and deleted from the HDD by then  Wink ) to his HDD, you'll be able to back up everything for exactly zero dollars.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 700 times:

Well that's the thing. I intend to use it more than a few times. I'll have to look into it more. Time to unlock my inner salesman to deal with my dad. Thanks for your help Aloges.

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