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Whats With All The Hate To The Usa?  
User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

I've been part of this forum for a year and a half now and ever day I read a post with someone bashing the US.Whats with that? Why do so many people hate the US and its people? I was reading a post today written by 747-600X and someone said this:

"I have never visited the USA, so really i cannot judge what sort of country it is on that principle...but Americans believe that they are number one, and everyone else doesn't get a look in. I think some are very short sighted, and much of the time too Patriotic"

He's never even been to the US but he thinks he knows enough about us Americans from movies to say that we think we are #1 and are short sighted!

And then others claim we're all stupid because on late night tv they saw some people from the US that didnt know that some province in Canada is landlocked and couldn't have seals! How can someone say a whole country is stupid because someone didn't know that? How Many people from other countries would know that?

Now I know that someone smart wouldn't expect everyone to know some stupid question like that, so thats who I want to hear from, Why do you have such a problem with the US?

Erik


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User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

I can't speak for everybody, but it is the American patriotism I have a problem with. People who, judging by their age mentioned in their profiles, never have visited another country, met it's people, culture, etc., and are shouting that USA is best, putting small animations with the American flag in posts and such.

This all seems very childish to me and that's where I think the main problem of Airliners.net forum lies. Since the main language used on this board is English, kids whose mother tongue is English have very easy access to this board, whereas most European users (except the English/Irish and Scots) must have some basic knowledge of English which means they are generally speaking a bit older.

Getting back to the subject, as you (hopefully) know, Europe is made up of different countries, with different people and different languages. Although there are a few exceptions, europeans tend to be less patriotic (except for the French!) since they've travelled to other (surrounding) countries, met their people and cultures.

When I was young, I also thought my country, the one I was born in, was the best country in the world, until I actually went to live in another country. Now I don't think that any longer, I don't think the country I was born in is the best or the country I actually live in is the best, I only learned that country, people, cultures are different but yet very interesting once you get to know them well.



Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

I generally agree with Schoenorama.
Americans always believe they are number one in everything and others suck.
Most of the time they don't have a clue what's really going on because they aren't interested in foreign affairs or whatsoever but still claim they are number one.
Also many people includign me don't really like the US playing police of the world. They have to be involved in everything.

Regards,
B737-700


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

For God's sake Schoenorama, so Americans take pride in their country. YOu make it sound like a mortal sin! And by the way, Patriotism isn't about waving a flag of changing "USA!" at a international sporting event: it's taking a deep pride in your heritage; it's in respecting the bounty that this country has been blessed with; it's in respecting the memory of those who died so that I can live in freedom; it's in teaching your children that the history of their country is important. It's not chest-beating or flag-waving, although there's nothing wrong with a little friendly flag-waving now and again. It's simply love of the land you have been born and raised in.

User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

I don't approve the fact that USA is now the leading nation, either we want it or not. The fact that makes this bad is that many americans are ignorant about international facts and affairs while they want to have the control and take all final decisions about global affairs.

User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Just how many Americans have you guys met anyway, and how old are they? Most people I've met/know know that the USA isn't "better" than all other countries. Though, most high schoolers either think we rule or we suck, and most of them are way too uninformed to be making any kind of judgement like this. I just ignore them.  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineAvion757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

'What's with all the hate to the USA' is that judging by the content of these forums, an overwhelming majority are obsessed with who 'hates' them, and why.  Angry

User currently offlineUsa_boeing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

How many of you have met an American? I have no clue what you are basing these "Patriotism" and "We are #1 and everybody else sucks" things on. Maybe there are SOME big headed moron Americans, so what? Most of us do not know much about other countries...so what! Why do we need to, why do you care? And another thing, don't base your opinions of us on politics, our polititians are insane.

User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3389 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

B737-700-

"Also many people includign me don't really like the US playing police of the world. They have to be involved in everything."


So were supposed to let terrible things such as genocide go on in different countrys? So we stop these things and you are MAD AT THIS? Do you want these things to go on? Do you think we want people from our county killed in other countrys? NO! That is hardly something to be mad at. If you dislike the US that much I'm sure you could come up with something better!


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

B737-700-

"Also many people includign me don't really like the US playing police of the world. They have to be involved in everything."

We were ASKED to mediate in Northern Ireland.
We were ASKED by Kuwait and Saudi Arabia to defend them.
We were ASKED to mediate the problems in the Middle East.
We were ASKED to send troops to the Balkans.

We just didn't go over there like Rambo because we're big, bad America. We were asked to assist in these situations, because those people know that American power and prestige can make a difference.




User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

If I judge by the fact that Bush is a complete ignorant and still he was elected makes me say 'what were they thinking'. You chose your polititians as a nation and then you say 'dont judge from our polititians'. They are your representatives to the world. At least most of us here dare to say that we are @$$holes about the polititians we elected.
About the police thing, USA has made many mistakes to this field while good could have been made. This might get political, but it is the only way for you to see it from another side. While NATO bombed yugoslavia, they were trying to help the genosite of the Albanians??? Do you think that a nation has to give up to any revolts of minorities? While USA was bombing Yugoslavia, I had a war over mu borders and a toxic cloud over my country! But this is not a problem for you, since it is out of your country. Now the Albanians are in war with FYROM and, guess what! They have already stated that their next goal is to free Hepirus, a part of Greece next to Albania where my family is from and where I have a house. Will USA support them then. I am waiting to see....


User currently offlineTurbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

In this topic I'm more with Lewis and with Schoenorama than with anybody else.

Schoenorama wrote very prudently "patriotism". Yes: this is what most non-Americans have mainly problem with. But I'm quite more graphic and call this "patriotism" things like "blind-stupid-self-sufficiency-center-of-the-world's-best-superior-American-pride" or whatever comes to my mind when I type an opinion.
In any case, I find Schoenorama's opinion very logical about foreign culture knowledge.
And, finally, what bothers more is not the patriotism itself (which is nothing less but logical to everybody loving his/her country) but the way to express it. In another topic, I wrote something about this "selfishness" and arrogancy, and a user called rwy04LGA (by the way, disappeared from the forums) sent me an e-mail, where among other things he wrote

Every country in the world complains about the US but come running to them for help when they get into trouble. If I were president of the US I would stop ALL foreign aid to every country. I would stop ALL immigration to the US from EVERY country. If the US is so bad, why are so many people trying to come here?

Yes...the Americans are arrogant and self-righteous. They have EVERY reason to be!!



Of course, my answer couldn't be any other but

I have different opinions on why US entered WW2, and has to do with Japs devastating Pearl Harbour. I don't know what did US look for in Europe, because they stopped a fascist in Germany, but afterwards they largely and widely supported another one in Spain. Also why US had such a great interest in Kuwait: they do not give a $h*t about it or its people, but there's two main reasons:
1.-the deep hatred (common with the whole world) against Saddam Hussein
2.-the huge amounts of petroleum existing there

Why don't the States show the same interest in the Israelian-Palestinian subject? Or in the Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia? The immediate neighbour is another traditional US "supporter": Greece (the government, not the citizens...). But what? there's no economic interest... Why did they NOT stop the turks in its Cyprus invasion in 1974? Why do they allow the turkish army to remaining there? What about the rights of the Cypriots? it is easy: Turkey buys dozens of Boeings and bilions or trillions in military equipment, so US does not give a $h*t for a f*ck*ng island lost in a small pond between Europe and Africa, because it has only 400,000 population and returns zero revenue to the Empire of the Eagle. The White House has made itself the police of the world, but only where there's economic interest.

(...)

About the "arrogancy" and the "self-rightness", NO PAL!! Nobody has the right to be so.

You may love your country. You may be in love with it so much that you don't mind loosing your life in its defence. You can even be proud of your country. But the lines between pride and self-sufficiency, between altiveness and arrogancy, between rightness and self-rightness are very thin, and many members of the forum do not know too well were to stop. Humbleness is a better quality than the ones you claim, and feel superior because your passport wears a large eagle and writes "United States of America" is a proof of mind emptyness and lack of common sense.

(...)

Finally, if you were the president of US, you would stop nothing. Immigration is an economic power, and, if controlled, represents a work force that every evolutioned and growing country needs. You stick on how many foreigners go and try to get a work in USA. Do you know how many come into the EU? Can you imagine how many yanks do I personally know, only me? We have a much worse problem here: all what you get is a bunch of Cubans and Mexicans. Rio Bravo is a line where these wet-backs are freely shot at even by american civilians. Yesterday only, 1,000 africans, mainly from Morocco, Guinea and Niger, tried to cross the Gibraltar Strait and get illegaly into Spain. Many others from Algeria and Tunis try to do the same into Italy, and Turks, Bulgarians and specially Albanians into Greece. And all Europe is sorrounded by ex-comunist countries with unemployment rates above 30% and inflations from 250% in Hungary until 2,100% in Turkey. Despite of all this, I could tell you about the colony of 15,000 yanks registered in the US Consulate in Barcelona and maybe another 10,000 estimated by the City Hall, not registered, along with, for example 27,000 brazilians, 30,000 Moroccans, 35,000 Chinese, 10,000 Argentinian and Chilean, etc, etc. All of these ones have come with their families, and live and work legally. Then, there are about 100,000 illegal people who work in the undeclared occupation, or live in the street washing windscreens, selling napkins, or... robbing. And I am talking only about the city of Barcelona, which has 1,500,000 population, almost 3,000,000 in the whole metropolitan area, a half circle, cut by the seashore, of 50 kms (30 miles) diameter.

So, open your eyes, become a little less selfish, a little more humble and tolerant, and learn abour other (worse) problems before you complain about your own ones, sometimes unfoundedly.


The first part of my replay could also apply to Alpha 1, as I made reference to the balkans and Kuwait.
In Kuwait US started a war on its own interest, but in the Balkans they do nothing else than put the quote of their soldiers agreed by NATO. Do not forget that the people there make humanitarian tasks more than other things, and that they are NOT only AMERICANS: they are BLUE HELMETS. American, AND German, AND French, AND Italian, AND Spanish, AND British, AND Greeks, AND Turks, AND AND AND AND.

Usa_Boeing's justification on why should Americans (or himself) know or care about other countries very poor and sad. Do you know what does "General Culture" mean? For sure knowing some things is not going to save you, but as we say in Spanish "el saber no ocupa lugar" (knowledge takes no room), and, see it on the egoistic side, the more you exercise your brain, the better, faster and brighter it gets.

Finally, I wonder about the average intellectual level of this kind of "patriots": many of these people DO NOT KNOW HOW TO WRITE ENGLISH THE CORRECT WAY!!!

C'mon!!! I have seen sentences like "They're American" written "There American" or "Their American"
"Your" instead of "you're" and "were" (OK, this one maybe typographic) or "where" instead of "we're", mistakes between "her" and "here" and even "hier" (?), all from AMERICAN people. IT IS A SHAME!!! It's your mother tongue!!! I learnt it after my 18th birthday. For sure I have some distortions in the sentence constructions, influenced my my own language, and also French, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish and Greek due to the old age I studied the foreign ones. But such ashaming spelling mistakes...

This is what, in my humble opinion, is expressed in so many "hatred to the USA" posts (by the way, "hatred" is the correct word, the substantive that refers to the feeling; "hate" is THE VERB). We do not hate USA or its citizens themselves, but just do not like this selfishness I wrote before, nor the arrogancy used by many people, and the attitudes of all the consecutive US Governements.

Hope this helps

Best turbulences


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

One interesting aside is that for all their patriotism, a lot of Americans are 'Republicans' or 'Liberals' first and foremost, and Americans after. Never in my life have I seen such a wide political divide, with comments like 'God damn Liberals' and 'God Damn Republicans' being frequent. I can't imagine the wierd looks I would get here in the UK if my preoccupation was with the political alliegances of my acquaintances! As such, the USA is to a certain extent a collection of States divided.

Another problem I have is the indoctrination, or rather, 'dumbing down' of US education. Anyone with a brain can see that the 'Guns are for defending ourselves' argument is a complete and utter sharade, and the Gun Lobby's claims that Strict Gun Control laws in the US prevent homicides are total garbage (why then does Canada, a country immediately adjoining the US, and which has an anti-gun law have a homicide rate far below that of the US?).

Another problem is the 'Americanisation' of history ('The US won WW2' etc). Blame Hollywood and the American media, I say.



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1501 times:

Don't listen to the bigheads in our country then...

User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4780 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1503 times:

Turbulence, I am once again enjoying another great post of yours. I couldn't agree more with you...but I'm not nearly as articulate  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Thanks.


User currently offlineVirginLover From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 958 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 1492 times:

I can't speak for everybody, but it is the American patriotism I have a problem with. People who, judging by their age mentioned in their profiles, never have visited another country, met it's people, culture, etc., and are shouting that USA is best, putting small animations with the American flag in posts and such.

OK, I have a confession to make. For the longest, longest time, I used to not want anything to do with anyother country what so ever. When my family went on a day trip to Canada (we were visiting our family in Buffalo) I was scared of all the different things. I used to make it clear to everyone, that I was NOT going to leave the United States EVER.

And then came May 1999. My school went on a trip to Quebec City. Something, something weird happened. I actually enjoyed the new experience and different country. Maybe it was because I wanted to be as good as my brother, who went to Italy 3 months before. That weekend I found out that I was going to go to London and Paris 10 months later. And I was damn excited.
When the big day arrived, sure I was scared, but half way through the trip, I fell in love with Europe. And this past February, I couldn't wait to hop on the plane to Spain and Portugal, even though it was on Iberia.  SmileNow I'm anxiously waiting for the papers to come for Greece and Italy.

What I'm trying to say, is you can't have a set mind on a place if you've never been. If you do, you'll miss out on a lot. So even if you think we're this big, bad scary country, like I thought Europe was one big scary continent, you'll be kicking yourself later.



User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39721 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 1491 times:

I guess I am in the minority here in the US. I try to get out as much as possible on vacations. Big grin
Traveling to other countries is a great learning experience. I try to go to places that aren't too 'Americanized'. As you may all know I was in Cuba a few weeks ago and it was a great experience!  Big thumbs up
I've also visited Spain, Canada, Haiti, Virgin Island, and various other counties yes some are very 'Americanized .
The US is NOT #1 in everything and I don't approve of us being the world police. Many countries ask us for military assistance but we pick and choose which conflicts to get involved in. Unfortunately the deciding factor is how much it will benefit Wall Street rather than humanitarian reasons.


After reading some of the post by some of the teenaged brats here, would you even want them to visit your country?



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineUsa_boeing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Turbulence,

Yes, working your mind is good, but believe it or not, most Americans do have some knowledge of other places in the world. But some do not see the need to know anything. I am proud to say that I am not one of those people. Remember that the USA is way bigger than any country in Europe, other than Russia. If each state had it's own language, then I think that the USA would be alot like Europe, most people would know 2 or 3 languages and more about thier surroundings. But anyways, I am tired of all this USA crap. I think I'll just ignore it from now on and mind my own business.


User currently offlineMikeybien From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

Before anyone else decides to bash Americans for not visiting more foreign countries, please remember traveling from the U.S. to europe or the far east is expensive and for many Americans it is not within their means.
I would love to visit other countries, but I probably won't have the means to do so for a few more years to come. Therefore, I have little knowledge of most foreign cultures. There are some things you can't get out of a book, and experiencing another culture is one of these things. Please don't stereotype other Americans and I as ignorant just because we are not familiar with your particular culture.
Also, please remember only roughly 25% of the country voted for george w, and what our politicians do doesn't always represent what the public wants, especially when it comes to acting as the world's policman.


User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1472 times:

Whats with some of you obsessing over us Americans not traveling to other countries? Our country is huge and has many things other countries the size of say England doesn't. We have beaches, oceans, mountains, lakes, rivers, desserts, big cities and other things other people would like to go to first in our country before we spend 2-3 times as much to do the same thing in another country.

I'm sorry if that makes us Americans arrogant for not going to other countries but give me a reason why I should go to London or Paris first when I haven't been to Las Vegas yet? I'm sure once I've done everything there is to do in my big-headed arrogant country that I might want to go to another country but not right know.

I understand that not going to other countries may make some less knowledgeable about foreign countries but again why is that such a bad thing? If you dont visit other countries why do you have to know about them? Some people on this forum act as if we have to know everything about there country and if we dont, we are automatically considered dumb. Do you think that it could be possible that some of us dont care if there arent any seals in Sesquatchamacallit. Some of you need to get a life and stop obsessing over things that just dont matter.

And dont even get me started about patriotism. If you dont like your country thats your problem but I love mine.

Erik, the big arrogant American


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39721 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

Keep in mind our materialistic I got to impress my neighbor mentality sets us up to have to be married to our jobs without hardly any vacation time. Some Western European countries have a much more sophisticated form of government that allows there citizen’s 6 weeks paid vacation. There governments take better care of there people so they don't have the burden of having to struggle to keep a roof over there head hoping they don't get sick. Also their workweek is 32 hrs instead of 40+ like here.

Europeans vacation more because their government allows them the ability to afford to do it. It's no wonder they have a higher life expectancy  Big grin



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineBA-747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

ive been to the usa lots of times on holiday and i think the americans that are on holiday from like all the northern states like ohio and illinois are patriotic because they live their country and in florida theres alot of tourists so the americans must feel proud that ppl have paid money to go to america on holiday but its the same if you go to spain english ppl think they are the best and stick together so to say americans are to into themselves is a lie im from scotland UK and i would say the usa is the best country in the world in some ways i.e cheap shopping cars petrol etc but its still a dump like everywhere else it still has its problems like everywhere else so u get the stuck up my country is no1 attitude everywhere but personally i love the yanks and i think the english are the ones with the im no1 attitude
cheers


User currently offline747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2789 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1455 times:

I will say simply that I don't think many people actually hate the USA. Most of those who say they do are either jealous or angry over some element of the USA's content or some small event which happened to them which they are using to typify a nation. I am certainly just as guilty of these faults as anyone else, and therefor perhaps better at recognizing them. Suffice to say I think most people know the US is a good place and enjoy the opportunity to harp over it's bad elements. The few of us who have serious concerns about the country may come to hate it through those concerns, but usually can find some way of dealing with that concern slightly more productively. As far as I'm concerned, I think my personal view of this nation need not be expressed beyond what already has been said in other threads.

Stand up for what you believe in, whether that's a nation or a distaste for that nation's policies, and when you're not busy doing that, click on the little PayPal button down below and donate a couple cents to this great site!



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