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South America Not Involved In Major War?  
User currently offlineB741 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 716 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2929 times:

I don't think South America has ever been involved in a recent war-i.e. WW1,WW2, Korea, Vietnam, War on Terror, Iraq. Well, maybe the War on Terror, but I think they are the only large area not involved in anything in modern times.


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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

I dunno if I would call it a "major" war per-say, but it does involve 2 major world players in an oft-forgotten conflict; the Falklands War. It involved territorial disputes between the UK and Argentina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War

Steve


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Actually, one nation in S. America-Brazil-participated in World War II, declaring war in 1942 on Germany and Italy. I don't have any numbers of troops, but Brazil did lend ports to the Allied effort.

And, of course, many Nazi's fled to Argentina after the war concluded.


User currently offlineMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 876 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

Colombia lent troops to the Korean War.

Also Mexico & Brazil sent planes in during WW2.



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

Argentina sent troops to the Persian Gulf in 1990... why or what for? no idea.

I think Chile actually declared war to Japan for WWII, isn't that ridiculous????

Please, British and Argentine friends correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there was no actual war in 82 as none of both nations officially declared the war, it was just "unofficial fighting".

Am I right?

Regards )(



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User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

Colombia had a large presence at Korean War, also it was the first Country in the Americas to declare war to Germany in 1939. We had concentration camps where the Germans were isolated.

Also have you forgot the war on drugs???? Thousands of Colombians have not.

Juan
SKBO


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8974 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
Actually, one nation in S. America-Brazil-participated in World War II, declaring war in 1942 on Germany and Italy. I don't have any numbers of troops, but Brazil did lend ports to the Allied effort.

Indeed, my grandfather volunteered to go to and was deployed to northern Italy (the name of the town escapes me). Many Nazi vessels, including U-boats, were sunk in the Brazilian coast. We also had American bases in the northeast of the country.

Also, because the pacific was taken over by the Japanese, the only source of raw materials to produce parachutes (synthetic material produced from a tree liquid thing) was from MAO.

Cheers,
PPVRA



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14137 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

Mexico wanted to join WW2 quite early, after German agents were discovered in plotting an overthrow of the Mexican government to replace it with a Nazi friedly one to open a southern front against the US (don´t forget that Mexico was one of two countries, the other one was the Soviet Union, which sent supplies and arms to the legal Republican government of Spain during the Spanish Civil War) and Mexican ships were sunk by German submarines. FDR, seeing the condition of the Mexiacan forces at this time, suggested that they needed to be equiped and trained better (which was done for the air force in the US) first. The Mexican navy was actively involved in U-boat hunting in the Caribean.
Later a squadron of Mexican air force was fighting in the PTO, using P-47s.

Inofficially there were lots of Mexicans fighting in the US forces, and at least one in the Soviet Red Army (He was a Mexican studying engineering at Leningrad university and got caught in the siege of Leningrad. He joined a Red Army infantry unit to help to fight the German invaders).


Jan

[Edited 2005-04-02 13:19:45]

User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

Jan: But Mexico is not in South America....


Juan
SKBO


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

Quoting Juanr (Reply 5):
also it was the first Country in the Americas to declare war to Germany in 1939. We had concentration camps where the Germans were isolated.

intresting fact, due Germany and germans were one of the leaders helping building up Colombia. (Industri, Infrastructure...) I thought before Colombia declared the war against to Germany after the USA.

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

The Korean, Vietnam, Iraq wars were never of importance in Argentina. The South Atlantic War certainly was.

The point is that what to one country was not a 'major' conflict to another it may be (like the Colombian Civil War to Colombians).

I don't know how many Brit soldiers have died in Iraq, but the number of casualties from invading such a large country and occupying it for over two years may be the same and probably lower than the ones they suffered taking back some desolate little islands over a five week period.

Also, several (dozens?) of British ships were sunk or heavily damaged. And the human casualties and air force losses on the Argentine side (probably houndreds of planes), were also considerable. It was a short but very 'hot' war.

Yes, Brazil did fight actively in WWII, particularly in the invasion of Italy.

Arcano,
Argentina send battle ships during the Gulf War because:
a) There was a United Nations resolution authorizing an international coalition to force Iraq's armies from a sovereign country
b) It was Menem's first step towards 'carnal' relations with the United States.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 10):
don't know how many Brit soldiers have died in Iraq, but the number of casualties from invading such a large country and occupying it for over two years may be the same and probably lower than the ones they suffered taking back some desolate little islands over a five week period.

Also, several (dozens?) of British ships were sunk or heavily damaged. And the human casualties and air force losses on the Argentine side (probably houndreds of planes), were also considerable. It was a short but very 'hot' war.

Absolutely correct. Given the short campaign period and relatively low numbers involved, the Falklands War was a nasty, horrible war.

British casualties numbered about 250, Argentine casualties about 750. Combined wounded were approximately 2000.

In terms of warships, the Argentine cruiser General Belgrano was sunk with appalling loss of life, and on the British side four RN warships were sunk, along with one Royal Fleet Auxiliary and one civilian transport vessel, the Atlantic Conveyor. Numerous additional ships were damaged with vaying degrees of severity.

As Derico mentions, losses in the Argentine Air Force were considerable, partly through the extraordinary bravery of the pilots involved, who took incredible risks to reach their targets.



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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 4):
Am I right?

No.
The military coup that we had in those days declared war on Margaret tatcher's Britain saying ''if you want the bloody islands, so fight for them''.So they did...

Mike.



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 12):
No.
The military coup that we had in those days declared war on Margaret tatcher's Britain saying ''if you want the bloody islands, so fight for them''.So they did...

Actually, I think legally he is correct, since there was no formal declaration of war on either side. Of course, no-one bothers to formally declare war anymore so the point is rather moot.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14137 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

There were some nasty wars in the 1920s-1930s, e.g. the Gran Chaco war between Bolivia and Paraguay.
See: http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v1/v1n3/chaco.html
About 80.000 to 100.000 soldiers being killed.

Jan

[Edited 2005-04-03 23:20:02]

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

The Brazilian division served under General Clark and participated in the assault on Monte Cassino. They were blooded in that campaign, and like the Americans at Kasserine, suffered both physical and emotional casualties but were redeemed by what they learned and they were fully vindicated by later actions on the mountain and in the Italian campaign.

They also sent squadrons of fighters to serve in the European theater with P-47s and B-25s.

As far as major wars, the South American countries have had some serious fights between themselves, and there have always been tensions there with their own cold wars....especially between Argentina and Chile. Minor hot wars have also broken out.....but I would seriously hesitate to call any conflict where men are killed minor, as it sure as hell ain't minor to the men getting shot.



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User currently offlineMarambio From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2004, 1162 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Argentina was a neutral country during WW2, and it finally declared war to the Axis just a couple of weeks before the end of the war in Europe. Actually, we never declared war to Germany - we did to "Japan and its allies".

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
there have always been tensions there with their own cold wars....especially between Argentina and Chile

Indeed. In the 1970s, when both countries were under military regimes, Argentina and Chile were about to go to war for the Biggle strait, a small canal at the very south of South America.

Tensions grew up during the whole decade and in 1979 Argentina sent some Army ships to the Ushuaia Army base. Chile did the same at Puerto Williams.
Finally the Pope made the two countries sign a peace agreement.

In 1984 democratic President Raúl Alfonsín held a referendum to see what Argentines thought about the agreement. The question was somewhat tricky: "since we tried to solve all our problems diplomatically and we didn't make it, do you want Argentina to go to war against Chile?" Argentines were still digesting the Malvinas War, which caused lots of damage to our Army and our national pride. Therefore the result was an overwhelming No, and the problem was solved.

The two last border problems with Chile were solved pacifically. An international arbitration decided Laguna del Desierto must remain Argentinian, while the Hielos Continentales (the big glaciars in Patagonia) were divided mathematically in two, half Chile and half Argentina.

Saludos,
Marambio



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2701 times:

Quoting Marambio (Reply 16):
Finally the Pope made the two countries sign a peace agreement.

I forgot about the Popes intervention here. One more reason to respect him.

Quoting Marambio (Reply 16):
Argentines were still digesting the Malvinas War, which caused lots of damage to our Army and our national pride.

The Argentine military did not do so terribly against one of the preeminent powers in the world. They inevitably lost the war but the British certainly took their lumps in that effort.



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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2575 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2700 times:

Regarding Venezuela and WW2...

Venezuela supported the allies by providing almost half of the fuel used by the US military, thus the Germans saw Venezuelan ports as a target.

I cannot remember the exact year but the Germans sent some U-boats down to the Caribbean and into Venezuelan waters. One of them sank (or heavily damaged) an oil tanker that was at dock in Maracaibo. After that incident, the US established aerial reconnaince ops over Venezuelan waters. The planes were based in either Aruba or Curazao If I remember correctly.

Now Venezuela and its neighbors... (Colombia)

Colombia and Venezuela have had many border disputes over their history. During the 50s the mothership of the Colombian Navy sailed into Venezuelan waters and performed practice shots over Los Monjes Archipelago (Venezuela), the Venezuelan navy and air force quickly reacted and the Colombian ship left. This was followed by a communiqué of the Colombian Foreign Ministry that said that Colombia withdrew its claims over the Archipelago.

Then again on the 80s, one Colombian frigate entered Venezuelan waters in the same area and anchored there. When the Venezuelan military found out, 2 newly aquired F-16s were scrambled from El Libertador AB. 2 Mirages followed a couple of minutes later.
The F16s performed a couple of low fly-bys over the Colombian frigate while asking them over the radio to leave. When the Mirages with the Exocets got there and did the same thing, the Colombian captain decided to return to Colombia.

Those were the most important military crisis between Colombia and Venezuela in recent times.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14137 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2691 times:

AFAIK, there were skirmishes between Ecuador and Peru a few years ago, as well as several wars during the 20th century.
See:
www.historyguy.com/Ecuador-Peru_War_of_1941.html

Jan

[Edited 2005-04-04 02:22:21]

[Edited 2005-04-04 02:22:43]

[Edited 2005-04-04 02:24:54]

User currently offlineJUANR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 9):
intresting fact, due Germany and germans were one of the leaders helping building up Colombia. (Industri, Infrastructure...) I thought before Colombia declared the war against to Germany after the USA.

Avianca i'm sorry, you are right, Colombia only declared war to the axis after Pearl Harbor; I found out that the opposition to the government of the time was on the same line of Spanish Franco so they did not allow the Government to declare war.

Juan
SKBO


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