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Do You Believe In Ghosts?  
User currently offlineKieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

Hello,

I consider myself a rational person, I am a scientist and as a result have developed an atheistic attitude. However, there are a few things I cannot explain, for example, dreaming or even waking up when family members have died and only finding out afterwards that the event had occurred.

The question is, do you believe in ghosts-spirits? Or even the residual essence of a person?

Its just something that I have pondered for a while, your comments and experiences would be welcome.

Kieron747

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User currently offlineReguPilot From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2004, 491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Your situation makes it a bit difficult for you to understand. Being a scientist makes you want a physical proof to "believe" in what has been proven.

I do believe in spirits... They're all over, and they are part of what science cannot prove. Spirits, to me, live in this 7th dimension, which also allows them to switch from theirs to ours. We cannot get into their dimension (I'm making up that dimension thing now) for unknow and/or unexplained reasons, unless you believe also in Good and Evil or God and Devil thing. Thing is that for you to believe, you must have a proof.. And you only get a proof of this if you believe first. Do you get the picture???

Anyways, putting it more into known issues, Bible has tons of comments on spirits, soul, demons, etc, etc, etc. It talks about the unknown, about supernatural things and it even mention hints of stuff that we (humans) should not know until after some event comes in first. There are parts that says, for example.... "Write these thing, but seal these others, and don't write them"... and everything that's written is what was commanded to be written. But then, there are things that the writer was told not to write, and he didn't, so its not in the books, which means, we have no clue of what they are, or how they work.... and its kind of the same way as with the spirits... with the exception that whoever believes in what the Bible or any other religious book says, kind of have a picture of what the spirits are/work, etc.

But like I said... You must first believe to be able to have a proof of it. Its a BIG mess.


Ragu!


User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6897 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

I have thought about it before, but No I don't think I could realistically think of any reason that ghosts exist outside of the mind. The Human Mind can easily project images/memories, an your eyes & your brain work so closely together that it is difficult for a human mind to pick up at times. We all have a blind spot in the centre of our vision that our brains automatically compensate with what it thinks we should be seeing based on what we are seeing around the blind spot, so a simple ghostly image should be no trouble at all.

One possible explanation for waking up when someone dies is that our empathy senses are developed enough to recognise pain/suffering/death in those humans particularly close to us, even if they are away from us. This however would mean we would have a minor degree of telepathy.. and that in itself is just about as farfetched as ghosts/spirits etc.


User currently offlineKieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Quoting ReguPilot (Reply 1):
Your situation makes it a bit difficult for you to understand. Being a scientist makes you want a physical proof to "believe" in what has been proven.

I understand what you're saying, but I find the comment a little derogatory. True, I do feel the need to obtain proof in order to believe something. Would you fly on a plane if you didn't know that it flew?

My initial post was detailing the fact that even though I am an empirical person, who desires evidence, doesn't mean that I'm not open to possibilities, that may one day be proved.

Kieron747


User currently offlineReguPilot From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2004, 491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

Quoting Kieron747 (Reply 3):
Would you fly on a plane if you didn't know that it flew?

There comes the faith factor. If I believe by faith that it can, then I'll jump in.

Take as an example, the people who think if they blow themselves up, they'll go to haven. That is what I call having faith only (no brain whatsoever). There's no proof you will go there by doing that. But they believe in it, so its true for them.


User currently offlineKieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Quoting ReguPilot (Reply 4):

There comes the faith factor. If I believe by faith that it can, then I'll jump in.

I believe by evidence with my own eyes that it can fly, not by faith! I see a plane fly, therefore I believe that method of transportation works! However, I will agree with you on the suicide bombers. That is blind faith. And that is why I'm not religious...

Kieron747


User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

I don't care too much for the term "
Ghosts". I do belive there are spirits or energy of a person that is no longer in the body form that is around us.



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User currently offlineReguPilot From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2004, 491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

Quoting Kieron747 (Reply 5):
I believe by evidence with my own eyes that it can fly, not by faith! I see a plane fly, therefore I believe that method of transportation works!

True. But there you're getting a proof that the plane can fly, and that's what you're not getting with the ghosts, a proof. So you'll need to have faith that it can fly before you actually see it flying. So, before you "see" ghosts, you need to believe in their existance. mmmm... I find this last statement somewhat stupid, but the idea is well expressed there. I believe in spirits (not really ghosts) but I am not seing them all over  Wink, as a matter of fact, I had never seen one. Like I said before, this is king of a messy subject. Very complicated to even write about.


User currently offlineKieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

Quoting ReguPilot (Reply 7):
Like I said before, this is king of a messy subject. Very complicated to even write about.

I agree totally. The reason why I posted it is because I myself am confused over tha matter.

Kieron747


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

Having a preminition of a death or injury to a family doesn't necessary mean spirits or ghosts, that could mean the person has some sort of psychic ability. A whole new can of worms.

My aunt in Texas called us when my mom had a cardiac arrest (we're in Indiana). She said she 'heard' my mom say to her that she'd be all right. She called to find out if everything was OK. Of course it wasn't.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1875 times:

I've never seen one myself, but I do believe they exist. My wife has seen her late father on several occasions, as has her mom and her sisters. I keep telling her to wake me up or tell me if dad is around, but I bet I wouldn't see him, since I don't have the connection to him that she has.

Want to see ghosts, I've heard you should frequent major battlefields. A friend of my dad's is a Gettysburg fanatic, and he says he's run into more than one spirit on that famous battlefield-he even has pictures of a ghost that he showed my father. I want to see them in the worst way.  Smile


User currently offlineKieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
he even has pictures of a ghost that he showed my father

Actual photographs???

Kieron747


User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

I think it's easy for the human brain to "trick" itself, thanks to its capacity for imagination. A lot of unexplainable phenomena turn out to have a simple, boringly mundane explanation. You're just trying to process it without all the information.


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

Quoting Kieron747 (Reply 11):
Actual photographs???

Yep. From what my dad told me, it's a series of photo's the guy took-I believe near the stone wall, famous in Pickett's charge. They're photo's into the grass, and, about the 4th photo, my dad says you can see a soldier clearly visible in the grass-his eyes, nose, beard, the hat he wore-everything, just staring at you out of the grass. He's there for about 4 photo's, then he vanishes in the next one. My dad saw the ghost right away.

Pretty cool.  Big grin


User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 48
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Falcon, just curious, were they Polaroid photos?


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineKieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Yep. From what my dad told me, it's a series of photo's the guy took-I believe near the stone wall, famous in Pickett's charge. They're photo's into the grass, and, about the 4th photo, my dad says you can see a soldier clearly visible in the grass-his eyes, nose, beard, the hat he wore-everything, just staring at you out of the grass. He's there for about 4 photo's, then he vanishes in the next one. My dad saw the ghost right away.

Dude if you have proof of any activity of this kind, its worth a million US $ to that guy, I can't remember his name...


Kieron747


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

LHMARK, no idea, man, none whatsoever.

User currently offlineAJBUS300 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

I am a definite believer in ghosts. I don't need proof, I just know they are out there. I am just terrified at the thought of seeing a ghost, I think I would die if I saw one.......as a matter of fact, I will stop typing about it because I am getting the chills!!!!!!!

[Edited 2005-04-03 07:51:49]


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User currently offlineReguPilot From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2004, 491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

Quoting AJBUS300 (Reply 17):
I am a definite believer in ghosts. I don't need proof, I just know they are out there. I am just terrified at the thought of seeing a ghost, I think I would die.......

I completely share your thoughts!

Quoting AJBUS300 (Reply 17):
I will stop typing about it because I am getting the chills!!!!!!!

Hahahahaha! Sometimes I think the same way....


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4878 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

I do not believe in GHOSTS. I believe in PRESCENCE. Is there a difference?


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

Never seen one so dont believe in them.Although I know a few others that swear they did.
Guess seeing is Believing.  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Quoting Kieron747 (Reply 15):
Dude if you have proof of any activity of this kind, its worth a million US $ to that guy, I can't remember his name...

James Randi http://www.randi.org

Anyway to give my answer:

Yes I do, I've seen one, and the circumstances/story are pretty unique in that the rest of my family saw the same ghost on different occasions plus a number of other relatives.

The house we lived in was haunted, we all saw the same thing but didn't discuss it with each other until much later when we all found we had seen exactly the same thing. A man coming down the stairs and then moving down the hall into the kitchen.

The previous occupant had been an elderly maiden aunt, who wanted somewhere smaller as she lived alone. So she said. Turns out she wanted out as she had also seen the same thing happening, but didn't say anything in case people started thinking she was going potty.

Later on, someone who was apparently psychically gifted came to the house, saw the ghost, and gave us a description of who the ghost was and why he was re-enacting this particular event. 100% hit. The ghost was the brother of the maiden aunt who had died years previously in that house. His ghost was coming down from the bedroom in which he had just passed away to tell his sister, who was in the kitchen at the time.


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

I spent 2 years in my school hostel which was built within the massive Palace complex of the ersthile rulers of the princely state of Mewar.

The entire complex is about a 1000 yrs old. The hostel was built in the area which served as the royal stable and the volleyball ground where the hostellers relaxed was the official 'hanging ground' for death sentences.

During my stay, I did encounter a few instances of paranormal activity that is hard to explain. Even fellow hostellers had their tales of such encounters. The most common was to hear horse sounds at midnight. There are no horses in the vicinity though. was scary. A few pics of the palace.





User currently offlineGhostbase From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1775 times:

I have seen one and sensed the presence of others at various times over the last 30 years. Several of these were shared with other people who were with me at the time. I have never sought to see or sense a presence, they just happened. Several were not welcome either!

Quoting NWAFA (Reply 6):
I don't care too much for the term "
Ghosts".

Good point. As soon as you use the work 'ghost' many people go into the silly Halloween mode of mind or start chanting the 'do-de-do-doo' theme from an equally idiotic TV programme. They just piss me off.

Quoting AJBUS300 (Reply 17):
I am just terrified at the thought of seeing a ghost, I think I would die if I saw one.......

That was what I used to think but as I have got older I have learned not to feel fear. A presence is just a phenomena of some sort that we do not understand, they cannot hurt you. I have come across one that was so benign and friendly that I remember thinking 'There is a presence in this room' and then happily falling asleep. My wife - a legal person and definitely a disbeliever by the way - said she felt the same thing. I have sensed another which was malevolent and I just kept walking away, I knew instinctively not to look back but it could not hurt me.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 12):
I think it's easy for the human brain to "trick" itself, thanks to its capacity for imagination. A lot of unexplainable phenomena turn out to have a simple, boringly mundane explanation. You're just trying to process it without all the information.

I am an imaginative person and I have to agree with you, it is easy to do this. That is why the shared experiences are so helpful as these give you someone who can look at what has happened in a different way. The benign presence that I experienced with my wife, she actually pointed it out to me a couple of days later as I had assumed it was just my imagination. She recounted exactly the same sense of positive feeling and thoughts and even the location of the presence in the room.

Quoting Kieron747 (Thread starter):
The question is, do you believe in ghosts-spirits? Or even the residual essence of a person?

Clearly a "Yes" answer!! Interested to hear that you have had experiences and also that you are applying a rational and scientific approach to assimilating them. Using the plane rationale, we all know that planes exist and fly and even before 1903 the knowledge and belief that powered flight was possible was strong even though no-one had seen it. Perhaps one day as technology develops we might find a way of measuring a presence or 'ghost', until then we just have to look at the sheer number of experiences often involving unwilling witnesses and try to reach a conclusion from those.

 ghost 



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User currently offlineAJBUS300 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 22):
I spent 2 years in my school hostel which was built within the massive Palace complex of the ersthile rulers of the princely state of Mewar.

The entire complex is about a 1000 yrs old. The hostel was built in the area which served as the royal stable and the volleyball ground where the hostellers relaxed was the official 'hanging ground' for death sentences.

During my stay, I did encounter a few instances of paranormal activity that is hard to explain. Even fellow hostellers had their tales of such encounters. The most common was to hear horse sounds at midnight. There are no horses in the vicinity though. was scary. A few pics of the palace.

That place has HAUNTED written all over it.......I dont think I could be there in the daytime let alone the nightime......sheesh...don't know how you managed bro........



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25 Espion007 : ghosts? no. LSD? yes.
26 AA777 : I believe in ghosts / spirits. There is plenty of supernatural stuff going on, and people are too skeptical to believe it. I know someone who claims s
27 Ryanb741 : Having lived in an old house built over an ancient monastic graveyard I DEFINITELY 100% CATEGORICALLY believe in ghosts. I won't go into more detail o
28 NZ747 : I do believe in ghosts. Why? Because I have seen.
29 TedTAce : I Dunno, but this is my story and I'm sticking to it!!! My nextdoor neighbor, his cousin (Self proclaimed Psychic), her husband, and myself decided to
30 SSTjumbo : I have a photo at home of the inside of my house that shows what may be a partial dimensional shift. Long story short, you can see through the top par
31 Post contains images Falcon84 : I do believe in spooks I do believe in spooks I do I do I do I do I do believe in spooks Yours always,
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