TACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3550 times:
"The Scottish flag is the cross of St. Andrew, also known as the Saltire. It is said to be one of the oldest national flags of any country, dating back at least to the 12th century.
Tradition suggests that St. Andrew (an apostle of Jesus in the Christian religion) was put to death by the Romans in Greece by being pinned to a cross of this shape.
The flag of the United Kingdom - known as the Union Flag or Union Jack - is made up from the flags of Scotland, England (the Cross of Saint George) and Ireland (the Cross of Saint Patrick).
The Royal Flag of Scotland
There is a second flag which is associated with Scotland, the "Rampant Lion", or Royal Flag of Scotland. Although based on an older Scottish flag than the St. Andrew's Cross, it should, strictly speaking, now only be used by the monarch in relation to her capacity as Queen in Scotland¹. However, it is widely used as a second national flag.
The Rampant Lion flag flies over the offices of the Secretary of State for Scotland (who is the representative of the U.K. government in Scotland); that is Dover House in London and New St Andrew's House in Edinburgh.
King George V signed a Royal Warrant in 1934 allowing the use of the Rampant Lion flag as "a mark of loyalty" because of the forthcoming Jubilee celebrations. The Lord Lyon² officially now takes the view that this permission "related to decorative ebullition", that is, it is permissable to wave the flag at football matches. It is however not allowable to fly the flag without permission, on a flag-pole or from a building. The Lord Lyon once threatened the town councillors of Cumbernauld with an Act passed in 1679 which prescribed the death penalty for mis-use of the royal arms.
¹ Scotland has not had its own monarchy since the Act of Union with England in 1707. Queen Elizabeth II is monarch of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
² The Lord Lyon King of Arms is the judicial officer responsible for upholding heraldic law in Scotland."
Purpleheepster From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3501 times:
Gkirk not the only Scot here... I'm Scottish too. Guess "ScotishLaddie is as well so that's at least three of us. I'm all for Saltires here. The only problem I see with this is that if we get saltires the English will want Georgie crosses!!
ScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2386 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3461 times:
It's in situations like these when I call upon the ever trusty dictionary.com for a definition.
n : one of the four countries that make up the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland; located on the northern part of the island of Great Britain; famous for bagpipes and plaids and kilts
'Country' means that there should be a flag on a.net.
Also notice that Scotland is NOT famous for sheep.
The use of the word "country" in the context you quote is misleading. The constituent parts of the United Kingdom ceased to be seperate countries as soon as they ceded their independence to the United Kingdom - all of them. England isn't a country any more, it's barely even a distinct administrative entity any more. Scotland has a Parliament, but that parliament and its associated executive branch cannot sign or ratify international treaties or join international organisations, as it is not representing an autonomous entitiy.
Skidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3375 times:
Again, I repeat my request for a Manx flag - we are NOT UK and only a dependancy. Unlike Scotland, which is nailed to the land of the Saxon heathen's.
So, if you give Scotland one, then you'll open the floodgates for all the tinpot weird little states. Admin will be searching high and low for suitable flags, and unable to give the wonderful, efficient service they normally do.
Excuse me, I'm burbling, sat at work, bored and wondering how to wangle a flight on G-MIMA before she is handed back.