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Why I Hate SUVs (and Have Issues W/their Drivers)  
User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5107 times:

Here's why I hate SUVs and have major issues with their drivers:

But first, a caveat: none of the following applies to people who live in rural, snowy areas, because I recognize that in some parts of the country, 4-wheel drive is an actual necessity. The following mostly applies to suburbanites.

For everyone else:

1) As a sedan driver, driving behind an SUV makes it impossible to see more than one car ahead. This is a safety issue if the SUV ahead of you hits the breaks suddenly. When you're behind other sedans, you can see multiple cars ahead and can prepare to slow down.

2) My theory: SUV drivers, vast majority of whom live in the suburbs, generally find their lives boring. They think that driving a rugged-looking car makes them, by extension, more rugged, and they are somehow "conquering the wilderness" when they drive from the subdivision to the mall or the high school and back. It makes them feel good to think, "my car is bigger than your car." Foolishness.

3) Minus what I said above, no one NEEDS an SUV. If you have a lot of kids, get a minivan. If you need to lug a lot of stuff, get a pickup or a station wagon. There's not THAT much more cargo you can fit in an SUV than in a full-size wagon. If you need to lug that much cargo regularly, get a pickup or a van. But instead, the whole "I look cool when I drive an SUV" mentality comes into play. See #2.

4) Plain and simple, you just don't need 4-wheel drive in the suburbs. Those SUV ads are ridiculous - who the hell drives their Jeep Cherokee to the top of a mountain?

5) The obvious overuse of gasoline compared to smaller cars. We live in a society that consumes a frightening amount of oil per capita, that is totally unsustainable and short-sighted. SUV drivers are the guiltiest parties.


To conclude, I think an SUV is a very selfish car to drive. IMO, it symbolizes and encompasses the worst in the American Culture of Excess.

Before you seething SUV drivers get ready to flame me, please know that like the Pope, I hate the sin, not the sinner  Smile

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User currently offlineN317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):
As a sedan driver, driving behind an SUV makes it impossible to see more than one car ahead. This is a safety issue if the SUV ahead of you hits the breaks suddenly. When you're behind other sedans, you can see multiple cars ahead and can prepare to slow down.

I think people that use this excuse are just overcompensating for a shortfall of their own. Why didn't all this start with trucks and vans. Not soccer-freaking-mom-mini-vans, but real vans. But no one bitches about those. Just SUVs. If you aren't tailgaiting you can see around them. If you are tailgaiting, watch for brake lights. 25 mpg Hondas don't look so good under 15mpg SUVs.

In case you wonder, I don't have an SUV. I just hate this argument.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17363 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5100 times:

"As a sedan driver, driving behind an SUV makes it impossible to see more than one car ahead. This is a safety issue if the SUV ahead of you hits the breaks suddenly. "

Don't tailgate.



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User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5087 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):
1) As a sedan driver, driving behind an SUV makes it impossible to see more than one car ahead. This is a safety issue if the SUV ahead of you hits the breaks suddenly. When you're behind other sedans, you can see multiple cars ahead and can prepare to slow down.

Don't drive so close to the car in front of you. It's really easy to see around 18 wheelers when you aren't 2 feet behind them too!

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):

2) My theory: SUV drivers, vast majority of whom live in the suburbs, generally find their lives boring. They think that driving a rugged-looking car makes them, by extension, more rugged, and they are somehow "conquering the wilderness" when they drive from the subdivision to the mall or the high school and back. It makes them feel good to think, "my car is bigger than your car." Foolishness.

Yes this makes absolute sense. People drive SUV's because their lives are boring....What about people that drive Sports cars that get 12 mpg? Are their lives boring too? Thinking how you are is also foolish as well there champ.

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):
3) Minus what I said above, no one NEEDS an SUV. If you have a lot of kids, get a minivan. If you need to lug a lot of stuff, get a pickup or a station wagon. There's not THAT much more cargo you can fit in an SUV than in a full-size wagon. If you need to lug that much cargo regularly, get a pickup or a van. But instead, the whole "I look cool when I drive an SUV" mentality comes into play. See #2.

I don't like mini vans or station wagons...and yea, every time I start my car I say to myself, "Damn, I'm cool! Look at me go in my SUV!"

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):
4) Plain and simple, you just don't need 4-wheel drive in the suburbs. Those SUV ads are ridiculous - who the hell drives their Jeep Cherokee to the top of a mountain?

Hell, ride a bicycle. Nobody needs transportation in the suburbs, or urban areas, or rural areas...

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):
5) The obvious overuse of gasoline compared to smaller cars. We live in a society that consumes a frightening amount of oil per capita, that is totally unsustainable and short-sighted. SUV drivers are the guiltiest parties.

Yea, that's the only point I'm going to agree on. However I pay for my gasoline just as much as the next guy.

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):
To conclude, I think an SUV is a very selfish car to drive. IMO, it symbolizes and encompasses the worst in the American Culture of Excess.

To conclude, I think you are making a big deal out of nothing (minus gas consumption). If you feel that SUV's are a status symbol, you need to rearrange your priorities. How about you focus on bettering yourself before you tell others what they should and shouldn't buy.

[Edited 2005-04-05 08:04:25]

User currently offlineBiggles From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 459 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5083 times:

The biggest problem here in YYC is people driving SUV's in snow who don't understand that all wheel drive doesn't help brake a 2 ton vehicle.
Usually the first vehicle in the ditch when the snow falls is an SUV. A lot of the owners just do not know how to drive them.They see the misleading ads and think they can drive them like a sports car in any weather .


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5079 times:

Quoting Biggles (Reply 4):
The biggest problem here in YYC is people driving SUV's in snow who don't understand that all wheel drive doesn't help brake a 2 ton vehicle.
Usually the first vehicle in the ditch when the snow falls is an SUV.

Ha Ha Ha - ain't that the truth, ANC is the same way . . . . jokers get a big ole SUV and they drive out there on the highway all 4X4, and Diesel, and thinking they're all that and they'll be the first idiot I have to respond to . . . not the schmuck in the Toyota Speck . . .

NYCFlyer, if you wouldn't tailgate you could see around a bigger vehicle . . . one day your going to have someones rear license plate drilled in to your forehead . . . .

SUVs have a purpose and - as was pointed out - are necessary in some places. Same with big pickups. I concur, there appears to be no need to drive what I refer to as a Psuedo-SUV, one of those Mercedes or other half baked SUV-wannabes simply for status. That said, this is America - buy what ever you want and have at it. . . . .who cares.


User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5059 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
NYCFlyer, if you wouldn't tailgate you could see around a bigger vehicle . . . one day your going to have someones rear license plate drilled in to your forehead . .

It seems like everyone is getting onto that "tailgating" bandwagon.

What he probably meant was because of the height, you can't see traffic through the SUV's windows/other cars' 3rd brake light as you would when following a normal sedan.

That applies even when you're respecting the normal safety distances...and btw, can any of all you people yelling "Tailgater !" tell what is the correct distance you should be at when following another vehicle  Wink

UTA



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User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5049 times:

I just traded in my Monto Carlo for a Chevy Trailblazer but not for the reason you say. You see, I already think I'm better than my neighbors and I even have a huge cock. The main reason I bought it was because I intend to buy a boat in the near future. I'm not going to buy a pick-up for this as I have 3 children and would likely be hauling them and the boat at the same time on various occasions. I do have a mini-van (well its a Pontiac Montana, not sure if that's considered a mini-van or not) anyway, its gets no better gas mileage than my Trailblazer. They are roughly the same size. I know the Montana can tow a boat with no problem, but its my wife's vehicle and if I'm out on a trip and DON'T take the kids, then she needs the van. So rather than own three vehicles (talk about excessive), I just decided to own two that takes care of everything.

HOWEVER, I will defend your 'seeing in traffic' argument. On a straight highway, its more unnerving not being able to see several cars ahead of you. Even when not tailgating, sudden stops can be scary moments. To prevent that, you'd have to get so far behind the vehicle in front of you that people would just cut in front of you to fill the gap. I always hated that!!! Well I have a solution for you....get an SUV!!! They sit you up high with the rest of traffic and you can see great!!! Big grin



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5043 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
and btw, can any of all you people yelling "Tailgater !" tell what is the correct distance you should be at when following another vehicle

I don't have a driver's license, but I do believe that it is four seconds worth of distance as a general rule.

-Mir



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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
I do believe that it is four seconds worth of distance as a general rule.

And one wrong answer, one  Wink (even though 4 seconds is indeed a good safety margin when at 250 km/h)

UTA



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 9):
And one wrong answer, one

Hence the no driver's license.  Wink That's my project for this summer.

-Mir



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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Ha Ha Ha - ain't that the truth, ANC is the same way . . . . jokers get a big ole SUV and they drive out there on the highway all 4X4, and Diesel, and thinking they're all that and they'll be the first idiot I have to respond to . . . not the schmuck in the Toyota Speck . . .

Funny thing is, all my friends give me crap for going slow in the winter on the Parks between ANC and FAI in my F250. And they wonder why I haven't rolled it yet.



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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5015 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):
1) As a sedan driver, driving behind an SUV makes it impossible to see more than one car ahead. This is a safety issue if the SUV ahead of you hits the breaks suddenly. When you're behind other sedans, you can see multiple cars ahead and can prepare to slow down.

I am suprised no one mentioned this yet, but why don't you buy an SUV?

Also an SUV vs your sedan... yeah what watch out there.

I drive a Ford F-150 - do people who drive trucks get lotted in the same group as SUVs?


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

You might say I live in the suburbs. I bought mine because I need it. I haul stuff. I drive off-road. I need a 4x4. It's my only vehicle. What am I supposed to do when I drive into St. Paul/Minneapolis a couple times a month?



User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4996 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):
What am I supposed to do when I drive into St. Paul/Minneapolis a couple times a month?

Rent a Neon Big grin

UTA



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User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

I agree with the original poster. To all others:

It's not tailgating if you're stuck in a traffic jam going 10 km/h. When there are so many cars that you can't leave extra space, the only solution is to prepare to brake when you see the lane in front of you light up with red lights. If there's an SUV in front of you, good luck...

The reason no one complains about trucks and vans is that they actually fulfill a useful purpose. If I see a van packed with furniture, or even a full-size bus in front of me, sure it makes my driving a bit harder, but I realize there's a need for them. Like the first poster pointed out, almost no one needs an SUV.

Another issue is that no one buys a bus if they don't need one, whereas nowadays there are millions of unnecessary oversized vehicles on the roads, making an originally small annoyance a huge problem. Just because SUV's are supposedly cool. And no, it's not a good solution to have everyone buy one...

Finally, before anyone brings up the "I have the right to drive whatever I want"-argument: Of course you do, but we also have the right to call you assholes. Try thinking about someone else for a moment.


User currently onlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

Quoting 174thfwff (Reply 3):
To conclude, I think you are making a big deal out of nothing (minus gas consumption).

I think he's making a big deal out of nothing including gas consumption. There are plenty of cars, vans, and trucks out there that get worse gas mileage than SUVs (Giant ass ones like the excursion or H2 aside.) You want selfish? How about your giant thread bitching about other people and how their wants don't agree with yours?

Oh BTW, I can't stand SUVs of the gigantic variety like those I mentioned... now those are truly pointless.



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User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4986 times:

What makes me hate SUV is the people who drive them: it quenches their thirst for show-off. Most of them can't drive neither, specially those who are more busy wearing make-up than driving the vehicle, which makes them almost dangerous.

There was an accident about 5 years ago in my country where a woman (with her two kids) taking a curve to a bridge suffered understeering in her Range Rover Vogue (ok, a 4X4, which is not technically an SUV) and... went through the barrier all the way down to the highway where she landed on a supermodel driving a Mazda Miata with her cousin!!!! A fire incurred and all perished.

Talk about lack of feel of the car!!!! I mean these cars are boats, but how reckless can you be in driving them? This would have never happened if it was a normal sedan.

That being said, I rented once a 2005 Renault Scenic StationWagon, and this vehicle is indeed very practical. But only as a second car from my sportscar. And not a Renault (changing gears is a joke in that one).

Kay


User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

The Tenn (and Mich) driver license handbooks recommend two seconds interval for safe following distance in traffic in normal (dry, good vis) conditions. One notices when the vehicle in front passes a stationary object; if you pass the same object in less than two seconds, you are following too close. The formula supposedly works at any constant legal speed. Other formulas (Fla, IIRC) have recommended allowing one car length distance per each 10 mph. Regards...Jack


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User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4937 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
What he probably meant was because of the height, you can't see traffic through the SUV's windows/other cars' 3rd brake light as you would when following a normal sedan.

That applies even when you're respecting the normal safety distances...and btw, can any of all you people yelling "Tailgater !" tell what is the correct distance you should be at when following another vehicle

UTA

Hi there - I'm the original poster. THANK YOU UTA for backing me up on the tailgate issue. I do not tailgate - it's simply that you can't see through the windshield of the SUV in front of you, and can't see the tailgates of the car in front of the SUV. You can barely see around the sides of an SUV, but you have to swerve to one side of your land, and that is a safety issue in itself.

Quoting 174thfwff (Reply 3):
To conclude, I think you are making a big deal out of nothing (minus gas consumption). If you feel that SUV's are a status symbol, you need to rearrange your priorities. How about you focus on bettering yourself before you tell others what they should and shouldn't buy.

So just because I post something in the airliners.net Non-Av forum, you assume it's the biggest priority in my life, and I'm more concerned about SUVs than about "bettering myself"? Wow, you take these forums seriously! No, my dislike of SUVs is not my biggest life priority, so thankfully no major rearrangement is in order. But thanks very much for bringing that to my attention.

Quoting N317AS (Reply 1):
Why didn't all this start with trucks and vans. Not soccer-freaking-mom-mini-vans, but real vans.

The reason this didn't come up before with vans and trucks, is because vans and trucks are nowhere near the prevalence of SUVs. Trucks are a fact of life for cargo delivery - there is no substitute for them. A lot of vans are for commercial purposes and can't be replaced either. My argument is with SUVs because they ARE replaceable, because so few people who drive them actually need them.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 12):
I drive a Ford F-150 - do people who drive trucks get lotted in the same group as SUVs?

not as much, because many people who drive trucks actually need the truck to haul stuff around. If people actually NEED a vehicle for cargo or commercial purposes, it's fine. But if you have some dumbass teenager in Alabama who drives an F-150 to school everyday because it makes him look cool, then yes I do group it into the anti-SUV argument.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

I don't have an issue so much with SUVs (I don't drive one as I enjoy my driving too much over here - when somebody builds an SUV that handles better than a performance car I might then consider otherwise), what I have a problem with is the school-run mums who drive them and are often unable to handle them properly.

And believe me, here outside London its those mums who are desperate to get their kids to school quickly before rushing off to get their hair done are the ones who cause the most chaos on the roads during the rush hour.

They drive them in the common thinking that their kids are safer in an accident (not true in many cases), disregarding the fact that they are more likely to AVOID an accident in a normal car (better centre of gravity for avoidance, stopping distance, and in some cases better crash resistance in some cars).

As somebody once said, the safest car is the one with a huge great spike sticking out of the steering wheel.



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4920 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
can any of all you people yelling "Tailgater !" tell what is the correct distance you should be at when following another vehicle

I believe it is 1 car length for every 10mph.

Tailgating or not it is difficult to see traffic in front of an SUV, especially those damned Hummer H2s that every little dick in the country seems to be getting.

If you need actual hauling capacity get a pickup truck or a van, I don't have nearly as much difficulty seeing around a pickup as an SUV, because the pickup is not a giant box going down the road. Vans just aren't as prevalent, so when they catch up I may start bitching about them. I can speak from an experience and tell you that aside from a Suburban and that big ass Ford equivalent you can't get shit in 99% of the SUVs on the road making them no better than cars for hauling.

18wheelers are hard to see around, and they suck to be stuck behind at a light but they serve a real purpose.

Does someone taking their two little bastards to soccer practice really need seating for 8? I didn't think so. They could have saved themselves a fortune in gas and on the initial purchase if they had just purchased a mid sized car. Too many people buy a car for 1% of their needs and ignore what they are going to be doing 99% of the time. Look at the increased cost to haul Kenzie and Dakota to soccer practice in a Suburban vs an Impala. Then again an Impala won't blend in with the other soccer moms at the game, but with gas at $2.00/USG in Texas 25mpg looks a lot better than 12.

Minivans and trucks are nowhere near the menace on the roads SUVs are. There aren't as many of them for starters. Secondly, the users don't think they are invincible. Thirdly, cell phones weren't as prevalent when minivans were popular so the distracted fucktards driving around like they are the only people on the road were not nearly so dangerous. A minivan weighs a fair bit less than a Suburban and sits lower. That means if a minivan plows a normal sized car the person in the car has a better chance of survival. I may just notice it more but 9 out of the 10 times I have had a near miss it has been with an SUV who either failed to yield, ran a light/stop sign, or who just ASSUMED i was going to give them the right of way in the parking lot. Every time I lay on the horn at them and they act like I was the one breaking traffic laws.

I can't stand the way SUVs drive, they float, the steering is too loose.. I like a car that feels like it is stuck to the road. I honestly don't know of too many SUV owners that are all that thrilled with the way they drive either. Most SUV owners I know, when I ask them why the hell they got the thing say it was because their wife wanted it. In most cases the person that wanted the thing doesn't pay the gas bill anyway.


The more you allow people to think for themselves, the more they will try to act like everyone else.

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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):
If you have a lot of kids, get a minivan. If you need to lug a lot of stuff, get a pickup or a station wagon. There's not THAT much more cargo you can fit in an SUV than in a full-size wagon. If you need to lug that much cargo regularly, get a pickup or a van

NYCFlyer,

You need to look at the current car and truck market a little more cafefully before making such a statement. There hasn't been one full-size station wagon capable of carrying 6 to 8 passengers and towing a 5000 trailer in the market since the 1996 Chevy Caprice and Buick Roadmaster wagons!!!! Ford dropped their full-size wagons after 1991 and Chrysler dropped their large full and mid-size wagons after 1977 and 1978 respectively.

As far as pick-up trucks are concerned, for those that regularly need to carry more than 2 or 3 people; 4-door or Crew Cab models have limited availabilty; although there are more models available now than there were in the past.

Minivans, since most of them are FWD (the RWD/AWD Chevy Astro/GMC Safari vans will be dropped after this model year), heavy-duty towing is not recommended for these vehicles.

I will agree with you that large vans offered by Ford, Chevy, & GMC are a possible SUV alternative for an-all purpose people/cargo hauler and tower but, depending on engine and equipment, they get the same mileage as an SUV.

If the car CAFE standard was lowered from the current 27.5 mpg to, say, 24 mpg; maybe that will get automakers to revist the large car-based station wagon again instead of the more gas-thirsty SUVs.



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User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

I don't own an SUV.

Question. If SUV's got equal or better mileage than the average car, would you still hate SUV's?



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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4902 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 21):
I believe it is 1 car length for every 10mph.

LOL ! That would mean two car lengths (roughly 8 m) for 20mph (32 kph)  Silly

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 19):
THANK YOU UTA for backing me up on the tailgate issue

My pleasure  Wink

UTA



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25 TriStarEnvy : I drive a smaller SUV, or SRV, or whatever the hell Pontiac calls it, because I like not having to fold myself into a sedan. It gets reasonable gas mi
26 NYCFlyer : Not quite as much, but still yes, because of not being able to through it to the next cars ahead. And it would still remain the vehicle of choice for
27 Cptkrell : From all the comments about the sizes of other men's anatomy relative to the SUVs (or whatever) they drive, one might assume that a lot of folks aroun
28 CaptOveur : That is what the State of Ohio driver education handbook said.. Moronic I know.
29 JAL : We happen to own 2 SUVs and we haven't gotten into a single accidents. So don't say thall all SUVs drivers don't know how to drive! Just for the recor
30 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : I see that the tailgater flag-wavers have all failed to produce the correct criteria to apply when following another vehicle. So here goes : European
31 RayChuang : If you're complaining about SUV's, what do you say to people driving more fuel-efficient SUV's like the Honda CR-V, Toyota RAV4, Ford Escape Hybrid an
32 UTA_flyinghigh : If it's in a city itt is still foolish as they don't need the increased ground clearance or the shift-on-the-fly 4WD. UTA
33 ANCFlyer : It's a simple rule, easily remembered. 1 Car length for every 10 miles an hour, and if you have a challenge with that remember the two second rule. W
34 LTBEWR : I would add that some legitment purchasers of SUV's include people whom have jobs or volunteer situations that require them to be available 24/7, work
35 Post contains links and images Theredbaron : Welcome tomy respected users list CaptOveur...!!! Let me say this: First you US guys have it soi simple...cheap gas, in a lot of other countries gasol
36 PHLBOS : Which is one reason why the baby boomers ultimately opted for SUVs. When they first got their licenses, they opted for either the smaller and/or spor
37 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : Funny seeing a Tillie with a Chevy Cavalier in the background Nice alloys/bodykit btw. UTA
38 NKP S2 : I find most are not all that roadable, nor roomy, especially given their bulk and on-road poderousness,as I myself place a premium on good handling an
39 174thfwff : I said if you feel they are a status symbol you need to rearrange your priorities, which you really should do. Stop worrying what other people buy an
40 TriStarEnvy : Yes, in theory. As I posted, earlier, my SUV-ish vehicle behaves pretty much as if it were a standard mid-size sedan, only a bit taller. I have the s
41 CaptOveur : I don't think you did give an actual opinion as to why people buy SUVs. I always equated it to the same reason people in Texas buy such oversized pic
42 Post contains images Superfly : TriStarEnvy: It's about time you start looking for an Avanti or AMC Matador Coupe.
43 Post contains images TriStarEnvy : Naw, if I'm giving up an SUV, I'll go with a real SUV sized baby..... Like so....
44 Post contains images Superfly : Thank God, what a relief! I am not sure if you'll chime in this thread again but if you do, I have a question. If GM still offered a full-size wagon
45 Travelin man : This just in: I don't give a sh!t about what you think of the car I drive, nor what you think that says about me. But thanks for sharing.
46 TriStarEnvy : And that'll be pretty soon, I'd wager. The Magnum appears to be a success, and when Daimler/Chrysler sells 'em over in Europe w/a 300 clip pasted on
47 174thfwff : I wasn't giving an opinion as to why people buy SUV's...I gave an opinion to his ideas. I bought an SUV because when I need to tow stuff, or hull lum
48 Post contains images JetService : That's a great question. I would think the TB would have better towing capabilities, but if they could show me that they are the same, then I would w
49 Post contains images Superfly : JetService: Here are some useless facts considering there are no full-sized stationwagons to compare it with. Your Trailblazer's 4.2L I6 engine with 2
50 Post contains links Lemmy : Here's one of the more interesting articles I've read about the SUV: http://www.gladwell.com/2004/2004_01_12_a_suv.html A short excerpt: Over the past
51 Post contains links PHLBOS : TriStarEnvy, 'Fly & others, Speaking of Europe, I came across this website yesterday. If you've ever wondered what ever happened to some of the old F
52 Post contains images Mdsh00 : I agree with the original poster about this. I don't think tailgating is an issue. You will get dickwads like that no matter what they and you drive.
53 TriStarEnvy : Cool link! Thanks! filler filler filler
54 Post contains images KaiGywer : I can only speak for Minnesota, but here goes. Straight from MS 169.18 subd 8: Subd. 8. Following vehicle too closely. (a) The driver of a motor vehi
55 Post contains images Lehpron : Uh dude I do not mean to nitpick into semantics or anything  but you cannot possibly hate a machine. First, 'hate' states a feeling after having a s
56 Post contains images Theredbaron : In europe there are real nice station wagons and most of them are diesel or 2.0 liter gas examples: Opel Zafira Renault Scenic Peugeot 307 SW Ford Foc
57 Post contains images Superfly : Theredbaron: You can get a Ford Focus with a diesel engine in Europe?!?! That's not fair! We need that here in the US! Mercedes used to offer an S-cla
58 CaptOveur : they were giving too many WWII vets flashbacks... All you need is to be backing out in the grocery store and have grandpa scream THERES A TIGER COMIN
59 Post contains links Flight152 : Superfly, Mercedes offers the E-class diesel in the US as the E320 CDI, although not in California, Maine, Massachusetts, New York or Vermont as it do
60 NYCFlyer : oh, brother. Lephron, your posts are clearly intended to play devil's advocate, but I will make one comment in response. by the logic you stated abov
61 Flyboy1980 : I hate UAVs (Urban Assault Vehicles) too. One day I was driving on a narrow 2 way road that had a steep cliff on my side (the left hand side) and I ca
62 Csavel : It has been my observation, and I think it is because of the perception that SUVs are safer, is that SUV drivers are some of the most aggressive and a
63 GOCAPS16 : LOL...glad your not behind me and my lifted Jeep Wrangler in your little car.. I use vehicle what it does best...offroading...would I pay $1500 for a
64 Post contains images ShyFlyer : As an SUV owner (and proud of it!), I'll toss my in. Not all of us are bad! I chose my SUV (2002 Mazda Tribute) based upon it's relatively good mileag
65 Post contains images N317AS : Who cares. We aren't the ones tailgating that can't see around a little SUV.
66 Post contains images Theredbaron : Alternatives to huge navigators and such road BEASTS: For C max (focus Based diesel MPV) it gets 6.7 l/100km...like 46 mpg....and it makes 0-100kmh (0
67 USAir_757 : I used to be a flagarant hater of any and all SUVS a few years ago, regardless of whether they were really neccessary or not. Then I took a "leave" an
68 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : BTW checked out that "tailgating" theory this morning. Even when sticking to that "two-second" rule (I should say "law", even), I couldn't see the tra
69 Post contains images L410Turbolet : That's really surprising! I always thought that no other government could be as stupid as the Czech one because here the law allows cerain cars to be
70 Post contains images Cornish : Mitsubishi Pajero - if only people understood the irony of that name
71 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : Spanish speakers do, don't worry UTA
72 Superfly : Excellent point. It's time SUV drivers get the attention they have been craving. Make them pay the same registration, insurance and tolls as all othe
73 Post contains images KaiGywer : Put your car in park/neutral. Roll down the window and just relax until he moves Nicest way of being arrogant... Or you could follow the Minnesota wa
74 KBOS : My biggest complaint is their classification. They are classified as trucks when it comes to MPG and crash tests. Well, around here trucks are prohibi
75 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : Pajero in Spanish means something can can be readily translated in English as "wanker" Bwahahahahahahahaha UTA
76 Post contains images Cornish : I believe Pajero is Spanish slang for a wanker/tosser
77 Captoveur : That is true, but it must be a new SUV/Truck, and you must be buying it, not leasing it. Also, I think you only get the tax benefit in the year of th
78 Superfly : Not true. Actully my sister leased a Range Rover several years ago and took advantage of that tax loophole. After breaking down and leaving her stran
79 CaptOveur : There is a tax loophole for leasing vehicles for business, it isn't quite as good as the one for buying. At least that is how a CPA explained it to me
80 Post contains images Superfly : I am glad Ford has taken over and the Jaguars are now are pretty reliable car. I am sure Ford is cracking the whip with Rover right now. They're only
81 57AZ : Generally speaking, unless you use it for work there is no need for a UV or SUV larger than the Xterra or Jeep (the original UV). Back when I worked f
82 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : Except that only Land Rover is Ford's property, not Rover in itself. UTA
83 Theredbaron : In Mexico I pay over 450 Usd tax for my Beetle anually it cost 45K. A close friend of mine bought recently a FORD Lobo (basically a Ford F-150 with as
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