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Next Pope An Arab?  
User currently offlineYAK42 From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 801 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

The highest ranking Cardinals are Bishops of which there are only nine. If bishops are more likely to be elected pope than ordinary Priest Cardials (of which there are 117) then a third of these high rankers are Arabs and have a good chance of becoming Pope. No Arab candidates have been touted though, but does anyone really have a good idea of who is in the running anyway. Do Bishops have a better chance?

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User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1388 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

there are very few Arab Catholics. They won't choose an Arab Pope because an Arab Catholic does not represent Arab Christians, most of whom are Orthodox. This is unlike Latin Americans, where the vast majority are Catholic, and a Latin Pope would represent most Latin Americans.

User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 1):
This is unlike Latin Americans, where the vast majority are Catholic, and a Latin Pope would represent most Latin Americans.

So Latin American pope?



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 2):
So Latin American pope?

Highly improbable. The next will be an Italian. That's my guess. Probably the Milano Archbishop.


User currently offlineJUANR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Perhaps Ratzinger, the German (That scares me). The only thing that seems to be sure is that is not going to be american.

Juan
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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

Nasrallah Sfeir, the Patriach of the Maronite Church of Lebanon, is on the Council of Cardinals but I think he is too old...he is born in 1920, making himi about the same age as John Paul II.


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User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

Why not? I'm sure most Catholics are so open mind in this area that they would even accept an American Pope.

User currently offlinePanAmerican From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 384 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

Quoting JUANR (Reply 4):
Perhaps Ratzinger, the German (That scares me).

You know what, it scares me, too  scared   Wink

Quoting JUANR (Reply 4):
The only thing that seems to be sure is that is not going to be american.

Yeah, why not? How do you know?

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
I'm sure most Catholics are so open mind in this area that they would even accept an American Pope.

I agree. They would have to live with whatever decision is made anyway...  sly 



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1283 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 3):
Highly improbable. The next will be an Italian. That's my guess. Probably the Milano Archbishop.

I don0't know what this with there havind to be imperatively an italian pope. Ok Tettamanzi knows perfectly the vatican and has the potential of taking over the pontif task with success. But he speaks no other language than Italian !

A Latino pope would be the ideal because they represent the biggest catholic population on earth and to my belief amongst the most piet and would be excellent for getting closer north/south like John Paul II did with east/west.

I would love Oscar Andrés Rodriguez Maradiaga to become the next pope



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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

An Italian is rather likely. After such a prolific pontiff as JP2, the Vatican will probably pick an Italian in his 70s as a transitional guy. There might be a second one of those characteristics, then you'll probably see a Latin American pope. An American pope is unlikely not because that hypothetical pope would be accepted but because the American Catholic Church is in shambles. Between the sex scandals and disbelief in the doctrine, the Catholic church is losing millions of followers in the US. It was never dominant here, and its influence is waning. In 50 years I don't believe the Catholic church will be of importance in the US.

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5158 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

America already produced a Pope named Francis Albert Sinatra.

-KIDDING-



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User currently offlineYak42 From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 801 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1181 times:

But are Cardinal Bishops more likely to be elected does anyone know? Do they really care where he's from? What about a Scottish Pope, Cardinal Keith O'Brien of Edinburgh is high up in the running apparently.

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1168 times:

Quoting L.1011 (Reply 9):
An Italian is rather likely. After such a prolific pontiff as JP2, the Vatican will probably pick an Italian in his 70s as a transitional guy.

That's perfectly possible.

Quoting L.1011 (Reply 9):
It was never dominant here, and its influence is waning. In 50 years I don't believe the Catholic church will be of importance in the US.

Which one dominates there?


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1152 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
Why not? I'm sure most Catholics are so open mind in this area that they would even accept an American Pope.

I am going to have to respectfully disagree on these grounds:

The religion that made a guy kill himself because they couldn't swallow the idea of the earth revolving around the sun is really open minded.

Don't say that was then this is now.. It was the 1990s (1996 I think) before they admitted they were wrong.

Some have said the Catholic church played a signifigant part in Christopher Columbus having to seek support from Spain instead of Italy, because if he proved the earth was round that was going to fly directly in the face of the church. Sounds accepting to me.

Many Catholic scholars call taking birth control pills a "daily unconscious abortion" and they go onto say that no matter what the reason for actually taking them, taking them is a sin. I don't have the book in front of me but that is straight out of one of the Theology textbooks from one of the classes my girlfriend had to take at St. Marys University, A Catholic school. That sounds really accepting.

The Church is also strongly opposed to Gay marriage, that isn't accepting.

So no, I don't see an American Pope in our lifetimes, As long as they preserve the good ol boys network in the Vatican expect more of the same backwards views on things with no hope of change for another millenium, assuming there still is a Catholic Church in another millenium.


User currently offlineYAK42 From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 801 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 13):
expect more of the same backwards views on things with no hope of change for another millenium, assuming there still is a Catholic Church in another millenium.

Of course there will be! You underestimate the potency of the original church. It will continue to evolve. Old conservative men are responsible for the slowness of the church to respond effectively to current issues such as birth control and HIV. People tend to make up their minds on fundamental issues when they are reasonably young and as they get older they become more conservate/stuborn reflecting an opinion formed decades ago in different times. The world has changed immensely since JP2 was young and his opinions about some things were very outdated. But it may only take one progressive who has kept an open mind through the years to make the church catch up with today.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 13):
The Church is also strongly opposed to Gay marriage, that isn't accepting.

Apparently the U.S. Supreme Court too.


User currently offlineStealthpilot From India, joined May 2004, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1092 times:

SFOMEX (Reply 6):"Why not? I'm sure most Catholics are so open mind in this area that they would even accept an American Pope."

CaptOveur (Reply 13), I think SFOMEX was kidding  Smile

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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1080 times:

Interesting theory. However, I'm afraid:



User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1051 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 12):
Which one dominates there?

Protestantism.


User currently offlineAJBUS300 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1047 times:

God willing, we won't have an arab or black pope. I don't think either one of those nationalities really represent the majority of the Catholics. The most appropriate would either be Italian or Hispanic.


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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1045 times:

Quoting AJBUS300 (Reply 19):
God willing, we won't have an arab or black pope. I don't think either one of those nationalities really represent the majority of the Catholics. The most appropriate would either be Italian or Hispanic.

Damn dude, you're just striking out left and right tonight!!!

You know, I always thought that the church's purpose was to promote the savior for ALL of humanity... not just a select race or creed. I mean honestly... a black person does not "really respresent" the word of god? A black or middle-eastern guy couldn't talk to god as effectively as an Italian????

And what about say... a black Italian? Or in your mind, do they just simply not exist?

I never realized there was a sign on the Vatican door reading, "Blacks or Arabs need not apply."

-UH60


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1042 times:

AJBUS, you are like Hal Turner.
http://www.halturnershow.com



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User currently offlineAJBUS300 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1036 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 20):
Damn dude, you're just striking out left and right tonight!!!

You know, I always thought that the church's purpose was to promote the savior for ALL of humanity... not just a select race or creed. I mean honestly... a black person does not "really respresent" the word of god? A black or middle-eastern guy couldn't talk to god as effectively as an Italian????

And what about say... a black Italian? Or in your mind, do they just simply not exist?

I never realized there was a sign on the Vatican door reading, "Blacks or Arabs need not apply."

No no, I was talking about the MAJORITY OF THE CATHOLICS. If you look at the numbers, the majority of the catholic religion is composed of italians, hispanics, and phillipino. I dont have anything against blacks or arabs, I just dont think they should lead the catholic religion because they don't represent the majority of the people that make up the religion.



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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1024 times:

Quoting AJBUS300 (Reply 22):
No no, I was talking about the MAJORITY OF THE CATHOLICS. If you look at the numbers, the majority of the catholic religion is composed of italians, hispanics, and phillipino. I dont have anything against blacks or arabs, I just dont think they should lead the catholic religion because they don't represent the majority of the people that make up the religion.

Again... I never realized the Catholic Church placed emphasis on a color or creed. If I was African or Arab, I'd be offended if the Church said, "Sorry, this job isn't for you because there are more of us than you."

What the hell does it matter what color their skin is!? What does it matter if they came from Italy, Spain, Mexico or the Congo?

Tell me... does someone from Italy speak to god for effectively than someone from Cote d'Ivorie? If you all pray to the same god, believe in the same values and have the same hopes and dreams... does skin color/nationality even matter?

You should ditch that arrogant, racist attitude and listen to what your religion is teaching: You're all of the same religion, that's all that truly matters.

-UH60


User currently offlineSpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Quoting L.1011 (Reply 9):
In 50 years I don't believe the Catholic church will be of importance in the US.

I would have thought that the importance of Catholic church would in fact be growing in the US with the growing latino population?



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25 Allstarflyer : The church of indifference. On Sunday mornings, most Americans are at Bedside Baptist with Pastor Pillow. A lot of Americans don't bother going to ch
26 MD11Engineer : This is one thing about the old Pope. He soke several languages fluently: Polish (obviously), English, Latin, Antique Greek (goes with the job as Cath
27 Texdravid : I'm not a Catholic, or even a Christian, but JP2 was a great pope. I don't the Catholic church will that lucky again anytime soon. These cardinals wil
28 Post contains links L.1011 : For whatever reason, nope. Protestantism is shrinking as well. The fastest growing religion is Wicca (White Witchcraft), doubling its followers every
29 TACAA320 : Between JPI and JPII conclaves were only three weeks. So was the problem? By the way, many countries have elections day each 4 years, others each 6 y
30 L.1011 : Why so defensive? He just stated what is likely to be fact, he didn't say whether it was good or bad.
31 TACAA320 : Why not let him answer by himself? By the way, I also stated a fact.
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