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Air America On Death's Door Step.  
User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11000 times:

Wow it seems like Air America the liberals answer to the conservative talk radio juggernaut is down to like 1 FM station and is being reduced to small market AM stations. I guess the American people just don't want to hear what they have to say. Could have told you that a few million wasted dollars ago.

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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10987 times:

It wasn't too hard to figure out that Air America would go down in flames. When you look at their program lineup, it features more no-names than a morning show in Butte, Montana. Besides, who really would want to listen to a whine fest all day long? What a great idea, you get off after a long day at work, hop in your car and you get to listen to more people whine. I'm sure conserative radio stations are just longing for people of the fine educational background of Janeane Garafalo.


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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10970 times:

Have you listened to it? Air America is expanding. It is on both Sirius and XM satellite radio. It has radio stations in 53 major cities nation wide. You call that going down in flames? I call it enough interest to hear these "no-names" that makes it successful. Its better than the crap heard by the Murdoch owned conservative talk shows.

And funny, all the conservative talk shows are pretty much on AM radio as well, so what kind of crap point is that? Look at some of the markets that Air America represents:

West:

Eugene, OR
Los Angeles, CA
Phoenix, AR
Portland, OR
Reno, NV
Riverside, CA
Sacramento, CA
Santa Barbara, CA
San Diego, CA
San Luis Obispo, CA
San Francisco, CA
Seattle, WA
Spokane, WA

Central:

Austin, TX
Albuquerque, NM
Ann Arbor, MI
Cincinnati, OH
Columbus, OH
Youngstown, OH
Corpus Christi, TX
Dallas, TX
Denver, CO
Detroit, MI
Madison, WI
Minneapolis, MN
Petoskey, MI
Santa Fe, NM
Davenport, IA

East:

Asheville, NC
Atlanta, GA
Boston, MA
Brattleboro, VT
Chapel Hill, NC
Charleston, SC
Key West, FL
Memphis, TN
Miami, FL
New Haven, CT
New York City
Northampton, MA
Philadelphia, PA
Plattsburgh, NY/Burlington, VT
Portland, ME
Providence, RI
Rochester, NY
Washington D.C.
West Palm Beach, FL

Alaska and Hawaii:

Anchorage, AK
Honolulu, HI
Maui, HI
Kauai, HI

Last time I checked, these are major markets. Burning down in flames? You guys are full of crap.



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10965 times:

All of those are AM other Madison. Air America was on FM in some of the largest markets in the US and then were dropped due to lack of interest. Most of the major markets in the US have a FM talker that is slanted to the right. And as for satellite Radio with enough money I could have my own channel. Face it people do not want to hear liberal talk radio.

User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10957 times:

I don't know of any FM hate radio stations here in PHX. There's plenty of hate on AM thou. I sure do enjoy listening to Ed Shultz on Air America here.


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User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10953 times:

Al Franken is a funny guy to listen. He's full of crap, but he makes you smile.

User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5491 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10933 times:

The station purported to be a "Dallas" station, KXEB 910 AM, is licensed to Sherman, which is about 65 miles north (just shy of Oklahoma). Signal does not really reach here at all.

Air America answers a question never asked. If there were a market for their message (or messengers) in radio, they would not be consigned to bottom-tier outlets.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10928 times:

Pray tell, why is Al Franken full of crap? You ought to back that up when you say that.


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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10878 times:

If they are only broadcast in major urban areas aren't they preaching to the choir anyway?

I don't know if it is even broadcast here in SAT, It was on Sirius Sat radio but I have better things to listen to when I am in the car than the uneducated limosine liberals whine about how greedy and uncaring the republicans are.


User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1412 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10861 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 5):
Al Franken is a funny guy to listen. He's full of crap, but he makes you smile.

All most as much crap as O'Reily and Coulter...wait... I don't think thats possible.


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10849 times:

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 1):
Besides, who really would want to listen to a whine fest all day long? What a great idea, you get off after a long day at work, hop in your car and you get to listen to more people whine.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Rush, Hannity, etc. whiners too? It's only "whining" when you don't agree with what host has to say.



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User currently offlineLeroidescieux From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10835 times:

Has anyone ever heard of the Young Turks on Sirius station Talk Left? I always enjoy their show and Talk Left is so great that I'm switching over from XM to Sirius for this great station.
-Wil



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User currently offlineNUair From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10829 times:

They just expanded to 4 more markets and Sirus and they haven't made any announcements to stop broadcasting anywhere so why are they on Death's doorstep?? Because they switched over from FM to AM in some markets?

What's your source?

I even heard the other day on Air America that they are looking to get into television with a new cable channel.

If you learn one thing from an aviation related website it should be that no matter how much money you lose you can still stay in business for a very very long time. If Delta and UA aren't on death's door step than who is?

When it comes down to radio and TV and all forms of entertainment if you don't like it don't watch/listen/buy it!


I love how both conservatives and liberals always freak out about the other side and the media. Why not just let people make their own decisions on what they want? I thought that was the whole point of America, freedom, democracy, etc... I hate listening to baseball on the radio and I would never listen to it on the radio just so I can bitch at all the baseball fans about how boring their sport is, instead I listen to something else. I suggest that if you are a conservative and you hate Air America that you might be better off not listening to it.

If you live in an area where the ONLY radio station you get is Air America well then you might have an arguement and a reason to bitch.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10818 times:

The problem for 'Air America' is probably corporate America won't advetise on their programs. I doubt McD's, WalMart or car companies want to advertise on programs that bash them over diet, labor or enviromental issues respectively.

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10811 times:

Great point LTBEWR- the advertising piece of this is just as germane to the viability of the network as the programming.

Sorry Tbar, but being on in 50+ markets is kid's stuff in today's conglomerate-driven radio world. That's not to discount them as "going down in flames" but at the same time, it's not exactly taknig off like a rocket either. And that fact isn't lost on the DNC given the massive PR, pomp and hoopla surrounding its launch.

I don't know if it's a failed business plan, poor on-air talent or what, to be honest.

But I do know that, fundamentally, much of liberalism is emotive and emotionally driven and talk radio is very much an intellectual thinking medium. They may not be as wholly congruous as many would lead you to believe.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10807 times:

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 1):
When you look at their program lineup, it features more no-names than a morning show in Butte, Montana.

Hmm, really? Al Franken is much more famous than any of the hate spewers on right wing radio were before they basically became shock jocks to get listeners

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 1):
Besides, who really would want to listen to a whine fest all day long?

You are right. I cannot bear to listen to Elder, Hannity, Savage, O'Reily, Limbaugh, etc.

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 3):
All of those are AM other Madison. Air America was on FM in some of the largest markets in the US and then were dropped due to lack of interest. Most of the major markets in the US have a FM talker that is slanted to the right.

Most right wing radio is on an AM format as well. If anything, FM talk tends to be less political, and more about shock jocks, interpersonal issues and the like. BTW, the two biggest people in FM talk, Howard Stern (going to Sirius) and Tom Leykis are both left wing (even though they don't have political formats

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 13):
The problem for 'Air America' is probably corporate America won't advetise on their programs. I doubt McD's, WalMart or car companies want to advertise on programs that bash them over diet, labor or enviromental issues respectively.

Nor will they accept advertising from places that abuse people or the environment

Quoting Slider (Reply 14):
in today's conglomerate-driven radio world.

Which should still be illegal.

Quoting Slider (Reply 14):
much of liberalism is emotive and emotionally driven and talk radio is very much an intellectual thinking medium.

Last I checked, the intellectual portion of the US population tended to be much more left wing than right. BTW, careful how you use that word liberal, as the current right wing in this country are the picture of liberalism.



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10792 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
Which should still be illegal.

Why should it be illegal? Radio may be oligopolistic, but so is the airline biz. It's not a monopoly, and except for the licensing, there is no barrier to entry. I despise radio for the most part today, but I don't think it should be illegal. I may personally think that the Clear Channel monolith is ruining pop music via its influence, but they have every right to do it.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
Last I checked, the intellectual portion of the US population tended to be much more left wing than right.

Well then, liberal talk radio ought to be HUGE. We'll see. I find it hilarious that liberals consider themselves more intellectual and then refuse to engage in most intellectual discussions of fact.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
BTW, careful how you use that word liberal, as the current right wing in this country are the picture of liberalism.

No question- the Republicans are aboslutely liberal right now; the distinction between the parties disappears every day and the shades of gray get more blurred. I denounce all of them.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10785 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 16):
I find it hilarious that liberals consider themselves more intellectual and then refuse to engage in most intellectual discussions of fact.

I also find it funny how they call "politically aware" seeing things their way. I am politically aware, I just see things differently.. Sorry, pet peeve of mine from talking to flaming left wing girls around school.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10785 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
Howard Stern (going to Sirius) and Tom Leykis are both left wing

Howard is more of a Libertarian than anything else. He was a Bush supporter (more or less) until the FCC cracked down on him.

Quoting Slider (Reply 16):
I find it hilarious that liberals consider themselves more intellectual and then refuse to engage in most intellectual discussions of fact.

The average liberal, in my experience, is much more interested in lecturing rather than an interchange of ideas, and turns to namecalling and dismissal when other ideas are presented for discussion and argument. Too many people of both colors tend to do this, but it seems to be a rare thing to get a liberal to admit that the truth may lie closer to the center than he or she wishes it did.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10765 times:

If Air America is going down in flames, why are some of the stations that are affliates working on strengthening their signal so they can add areas they reach?

FM Talk radio doesn't work anyway. FM stations are too valuable to waste having a talk format on them. The ratings for FM talk hurt the value of ad time on those stations, which is what makes or breaks a format at a station.

The rumors of Air America's demise were last summer, since then, they have begun to stabilize.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2042 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10755 times:

What? No talk of Jerry Springer?? AirHeadAmerica Radio fires the morning crew of an unknown rapper, and two lesbian chicks who all were horrible. So bad, they didn't survive one year.

Then they bring in Jerry Springer. Springer, now has the morning "drive time" slot on the "premiere" liberal network.

Does not anyone notice that they bring on someone who's popularity grew by running a show that did nothing but advance the theory that America has more than its share of backwoods intra-bred idiots? His show was nothing more than gay's, lesbians, fighting cheating couples, and teenagers who disobeyed everyone.. on top of that there was a requirement to fight, and act like 5 year olds. Now, this guy is bringing this Liberal message to the country every day on the radio!! Again, maybe this is the audience that Liberals really are, so that makes sense. Maybe backwoods intra-bred idiots are the only people who listen to AAR, and thus, Springer will be a ratings hit!  biggrin 

Again, does NO one wonder why the Democrats keep losing elections when people like Springer are being put on a pedestal? Anyone??



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User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10754 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 8):
If they are only broadcast in major urban areas aren't they preaching to the choir anyway?

Ooooh, a little backhanded racism there, Capt?



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10747 times:

Quoting Diamond (Reply 21):
a little backhanded racism there, Capt?

Not really, look at a map of who voted how.. Most liberals are in urban areas. Broadcasting their message in urban areas isn't really getting the left wing message to people who may not have it. Granted, the people in the cities may be the only ones who care.

Just because I have a different political view than you doesn't make me racist, or even wrong. It also doesn't make me right, just different.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7993 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10731 times:

Alas, I have to say that Air America won't last for more than 18 months from now.

The reason is simple: with conservative talk radio built up such a huge lead that it will be very difficult for liberal talk radio to compete against. This is especially true on a national scale, what with hosts like Rush Limbaugh commanding 21 million listeners per week and Sean Hannity commanding 15 million listeners per week. Also, it doesn't help that Air America is nothing more than what I call fashional Bush bashing.

You wonder will Air America ever get back the original investment on the project.


User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10701 times:

Jcs has to be the biggest hypocrite I believe I've ever seen.  Yeah sure

25 Allstarflyer : Have a source? Very true. Match a well-informed liberal host against a well-informed conservative host in a live public forum and the liberal will of
26 Allstarflyer : That was harsh. But I'm confident in the messages and the content that guys like Elder present. Sometimes, I just get sick of liberal rhetoric because
27 Post contains images EA CO AS : I don't know of any FM hate radio stations here in PHX. There's plenty of hate on AM thou. What constitutes "hate radio," exactly? People who have ide
28 Usairwys757 : AllstarFlyer, hopefully thats all you need to see. I could turn around and say the same damn thing about Republican radio. It goes hand in damn hand.
29 N1120A : Except that the reason for the original FCC regulations on radio station ownership is two fold. The public airwaves are actually owned by the America
30 CaptOveur : Yeah quite a bit, He used to be mayor of a town near where I grew up until he wrote a check to a hooker, needless to say he was a Democrat. What fine
31 GuitrThree : Yes I do, but it doesn't matter! Why? 90% of America don't know Springer was ever involved in politics. What they do know him by is his ridiculous ci
32 ContnlEliteCMH : True dat. I'm a talk radio junky, so I've tuned it in to sample it's wares, and I have not been impressed. Radio is a very difficult medium. You only
33 CaptOveur : That isn't a reasonable sampling of the population. If you talk to professors 90% of the people you are talking to have never had a real job in their
34 ContnlEliteCMH : Academia in the US is *clearly* left. As for education, well, there are many forms of that. And examing all sides of the argument? Ha! What you ought
35 LH423 : That's exactly how I feel about Bill O'Reilly. And he's not just full of crap, he's full of himself as well. You've just described Sean Hannity to a
36 Slider : I've heard this bit and think it has merit, but you also have to remember that the liberals have had academia, the vast majority of the traditional m
37 LH423 : Not to politicize this, but I think to put the blame for what you listed would be far too simplistic. Mind you that it was George Bush who presided o
38 Boeing7E7 : I listened to the bitch and whine fest that is "Air America" the day after the election. That was enough for a lifetime. Even though Rush is a blow ha
39 Post contains images Slider : LH- Agreed, I didn't want to get too wordy. There's enough blame to go around, that's for damn sure. I consider myself a Constitutional conservative,
40 Post contains images GuitrThree : This is a quote just taken off of AAR website at 3:00 Central time 4/8/05 "Today on Air America Radio The Randi Rhodes Show Get ready to bounce your b
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