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US Visa Non Granted. And Your Money Not Back  
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

In another thread [not related with this], some of us briefly discussed the fact that the U.S. Consulate charge you US$100,00 for the application of a tourist/business entry visa. Such visa must [of course] can be deny, or granted for 6 months, 1, 5 or 10 years, or sometime in between.

The fact is that if you or family apply and the visa [or visas] is[are] deny, the U.S. Consulate simply don't give the money back. You loose what you paid.

What do think about that?

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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

Well, I just went thru that gamble and won a ten year tourist visa!!!I think it stinks,but usually there is no reason for them to reject your visa, unless....

Mike.



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4130 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Thread starter):
The fact is that if you or family apply and the visa [or visas] is[are] deny, the U.S. Consulate simply don't give the money back. You loose what you paid.

What do think about that?

I think that the application fee is something very inherent in Western institution. I have been paying assloads for medical school application fees in this cycle. If I get rejected, I can't expect to get my application fee back.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

This used to cause problems when I was responsible for EMEA for a travel company. US visa applications used to cost $10 a person, so those wishing to go there on hoiday would take the risk. But when it went up to $100, the number of people prepared to go through the process dropped off significantly. Purely on anecdotal evidence, the feeling was that all too often, two or three family members would be granted a visa, but one or two wouldn't - and if you're a family of four, $400 is a lot of money to risk when you might not be able to go at the end of it.


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User currently offlineSimo82 From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

I think it's normal that you have to pay for the work others do...They do it even if you are not allowed to enter in the Usa.

I don't think it's something that only Usa does also other nations do it, I just came back from Iran and I remember that on the visa application form there was written that the money you had to pay wouldn't be returned even if the visa wasn't issued.

But I can understand the disappointment a person could have when they deny his entry visa!

CIAO
Simo


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 3):
Purely on anecdotal evidence, the feeling was that all too often, two or three family members would be granted a visa, but one or two wouldn't

Indeed, it reminds me of some family friends who applied for US tourist visas about 3 years ago for a family of 4 (father, mother, 11 yr old daughter, 9 year old son). The visas were approved for the father, mother and daughter - but the 9 year old boy was denied as a 214(b) case - namely that there was risk the 9 year old would abandon his family and become an illegal worker.  confused 

The family went to Eurodisney instead. Their French visas were processed within 24 hours and the kids didn't even have to skip school to be interviewed and fingerprinted.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7810 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 5):
The visas were approved for the father, mother and daughter - but the 9 year old boy was denied as a 214(b) case - namely that there was risk the 9 year old would abandon his family and become an illegal worker.

That is so funny it makes me cry. Nice to see that INS doing its job and keeping 9 year olds from becoming illegal workers.



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 5):
The visas were approved for the father, mother and daughter - but the 9 year old boy was denied as a 214(b) case - namely that there was risk the 9 year old would abandon his family and become an illegal worker.

A 8 years old kid working illegally?


User currently offlineWillo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

So the 9 year old went to Eurodisney and works there as one the Seven Dwarfs instead of at Disneyland Smile

User currently offlineYu138086 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2317 times:

Most embassies/consulates must fund their own existence in a foreign land. They get little financial support from thier "home" country. This is why most fees are levied. Of course they dont know you from Ronald McDonald when you apply so they must conduct a background check. If you fail to pass this check, in most instances your application will be denied without refund. It costs to make a decision surrounding an application. The USA (or any nation for that matter) is not in a position to take any chances.

To some this may not seem as fair but being fair is not the name of the game.


User currently offlineN228UA From Japan, joined May 2004, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2309 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 2):
I think that the application fee is something very inherent in Western institution. I have been paying assloads for medical school application fees in this cycle. If I get rejected, I can't expect to get my application fee back.

Australia seems to have the same problem. If I want to get a spouse visa for my wife to live with me in Australia, I have to pay A$5000 which is non-refundable and can take up to 2 years to be approved.

When I moved to Japan, my spouse visa was free and processed/approved in 2 days.

Something is not right...


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2279 times:

Quoting Yu138086 (Reply 9):
The USA (or any nation for that matter) is not in a position to take any chances.

The only one taking chances here are the visa´s applicant.


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

Quoting Simo82 (Reply 4):
I think it's normal that you have to pay for the work others do...

Perfectly normal, but $100? And in addition, you must buy a GTQ100 (around $13) phone card to call the US Embassy for your appointment (don't know if it's the same for all countries).

And I've heard countless cases of entire families applying for visas, when one of the members is denied the visa, thus spoiling the trip for the entire family...

Just my Q0.16 (or $0.02)



Don't expect to see me around that much (if at all) -- the contact link should still work, though.
User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

The point is, you don't actually buy a visa. You pay the processing costs which are flat rated. So if your application fails, they are not obliged to refund you for not obtaining something you weren't paying for anyway!

 headache 


User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

This application fee makes sense, after all every country has the right to adopt its regulations regarding foreigner visitors.

Yet, the key word is reciprocity. If your country charges $100 to my citizens, my country will charge $100 to yours. That way fairness is upheld.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 14):
This application fee makes sense, after all every country has the right to adopt its regulations regarding foreigner visitors.

Oh, sure. It's entirely up to the US what they charge. Just so long as they're aware that it does reduce the level of tourism to some extent. If they're happy with the trade-off then so be it. The American tourism industry dislikes it though, for obvious reasons.



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Again, it's not $100, that's only the VISA, you have to add:

Intermediate Company (you can't do it directly)
+
Delivery
+
Consulate Interview

The total cost is about $130-$140, and the asnwer you get if they refuse you is "you don't qualify for tourism in the USA". Can you believe it???



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User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

$100? Try going for a green card after, $5,000 and counting.

I support the "no refunds" policy. I really can't see asking the taxpayers to support these immigration services more than necessary basic funding for the federal programs. You want to come to the country, you pay for the documents and services required. Denial is a risk you take and that shouldn't negate paying labour and research costs associated with your application.

I gave $300 to six colleges just to hear "sorry but no" too.


User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

I don't see what the big deal is. Like everyone else said, there are processing fees involved wether you are granted it or not.

It's really not that much money..


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Quoting AC320 (Reply 17):
I support the "no refunds" policy.

I don't.

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 18):
I don't see what the big deal is. Like everyone else said, there are processing fees involved wether you are granted it or not.

It's really not that much money..

Say that to a family of three, that doesn't earn US Dollars. Just local currency.
If you pay for something [a visa], and the visa is not granted based in the Consulate representative criteria, you deserve your money back.

I'm not questioning if a country has the undoubtedly right to refuse a non immigrant visa. My question is about the retention of the fee.

The processing fee involved is effective when the visa is granted, not when is denied.


User currently offlineYu138086 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

Why don't you go and try to set up a meeting with the US Ambassador to your country and see if you can get some answers?

Let's suppose you got the VISA, will you then stop spending once you reach the USA because prices are in US Dollars? Why are you crying about pennies (relatively speaking) if you CAN afford to apply for a VISA and then pay for your onward travel and subsequent stay in the USA? Keep in mind that there are many in your country that cannot.

Its not a right to have your application processed. They do not have to accept your application at all and i've heard of instances where they have rejected peoples applications without offering any explanation (without taking the fee of course).

It's like a lottery... its a gamble but you do not have to play.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2100 times:

It is an "application" fee. The justification is that someone (who is paid a salary) has to process it. Otherwise it is a dead loss for the department and as a taxpayer I don't wish to subsidise your desire to come here. Application fees are in common use the world over. When I want to visit your country I will pay all fees or not go. Simple choices.

They are not selling visas. They are agreeing to consider your application - at your expense.

Here in the US, if you want to be an airline pilot you have to pay an application fee just to apply for the job. It is almost certain that you will NOT be hired - they only hire maybe one in two hundred applicants.

[Edited 2005-04-13 18:16:09]


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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 18):
It's really not that much money..

For Americans maybe, but if you for once think beyond your borders (it won't hurt), you'd understand that life cost is much lower in Latin America than in the USA, so US$ is a lot of money for many people.



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 21):
They are agreeing to consider your application - at your expense.

Pretty expensive as for a 2 minute interview.


User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

When you apply for the visa you apply with the understanding that your processing fee, regardless of outcome, is non-refundable. The application fee goes to pay for services rendered by the INS, again regardless of outcome, as people need to be paid for their work as well as the cost of materials etc. needs to be covered. My advice is not to apply if you're not willing to take this risk.


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25 Xpat : If, as is alleged, it is a mere "application fee" why is that you pay more for a visa that is valid for a longer period of time. The same "application
26 Logan22L : Well, others have said it, and SlamClick made it pretty clear, but here goes: You are paying for the application review, not the Visa itself. Clear?
27 Marambio : How so? I applied for a US visa last December and got it for 10 years. Even though I'm also a German passportholder I decided it would be less hassle
28 SkySurfer : Well now i don't feel so bad....i'm an english citizen living in canada and have to pay $6USD every 3 months for a tourist visa, i thought i was being
29 Yyz717 : I agree. It's immigrants (not tax-payers) that benefit from these entry visas, so they should pay for them. Since there is a cost in processing (whet
30 Post contains links TACAA320 : It's funny [and of course respectable] the attitude of defend the "non return policy". And how, another people in the other side try to avoid to pay r
31 TACAA320 : Clear, yes. Agree, NO. Unfortunately I didn't heard from you in the link stated in my reply 30.
32 Kieron747 : It cost me, in England, $150 Canadian to process my work permit/visa application... And it was non-refundable if it was refused. Money well spent, to
33 AR1300 : Now it's about 26 pesos, 8 or so dollars.I just did it the last week. Mike
34 PA110 : I honestly can't understand why this thread is still going! For the umpteenth time... now listen and understand kids... You are not paying for a Visa.
35 TACAA320 : You don't understand just because you disagree... That simple. You don't like it, don't agree, or simply don't like it. Don't participate.[Edited 200
36 PA110 : Dude, you're beating a dead horse! You can whine all you want, but it is not going to get anyone a refund on a denied visa. That's life. Move on.
37 Post contains images Banco : If that's the criterion then virtually every thread on the board is redundant, because it's always something people can't change. It may be a whinge,
38 Mt99 : OK fine. Pay the $100+, but have none has said how applicants are generally treated like animals by the US representatives.
39 SlamClick : Well, by now it is pretty clear that you understand, you just want to bitch about it. When I flew to Latin American countries I knew some things to be
40 TACAA320 : Something like happened with ENRON?
41 LO231 : In Belgium it costs about 22 EUR, it's a machine that guides you through different menu's (and it takes time and money because it's a special number
42 SlamClick : Yes, rather like that. But you need to remember that Enron did not invent the mordida. If you will just accept that nations do not "sell" visas, work
43 Mt99 : Yea.. but at least they entertain you while you are loosing, not treating you like garbage.
44 SlamClick : No one was treated like garbage. Grow up! TACAA320 voiced no complaint about the treatment - just about not getting the money back. That has been dis
45 Post contains links TACAA320 : Of course they not invented "the mordida". But how GOOD they learned it. As petulant is the attitude of some U.S. citizens trying to do something lik
46 SlamClick : And if US companies did not pay their bribes so they could do business in your country you would be complaining about that. The link you provided is
47 Mt99 : He didnt. But i am. There.
48 TACAA320 : Let see. We are just trying to learn from the ENRON case. Is the same from reply 30. And it´s working.
49 Russophile : This information is from 2003, but is still very much valid in 2005. This refusal of visas by the US is no more prevalent than in Russia, where the US
50 Post contains links Mt99 : Technically thats illegal according to the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act of 1977. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Corrupt_Practices_Act The avia
51 Post contains links B747-437B : That is significantly below the average US refusal rate though. These figures are a few years old, but the worldwide average refusal rate for US visa
52 DIJKKIJK : As Whitehatter pointed out, the money is charged for the "processing " of the visa application, not for the visa itself. So, even if your visa is refu
53 Sevenair : im paying in total of fees around $400 for my M1 visa, for pilot training-inc SEVIS fee, TSA fee and Visa Fee! oh, plus $45 plane ticket to go to inte
54 TACAA320 : But the record time is: San Jose, Costa Rica: 100 days. I hope that such figure will be lower by 2011, time for a renewal, if I still alive.
55 Logan22L : As an analogy, if you buy a lottery ticket, and it's a loser, do you expect your money back? Logan
56 Mt99 : No. But lottery drawings are purely random. Visa issuance is at the discresion of the person interviewing the applicant. The question that follows, i
57 Logan22L : That I don't know. The point to my analogy is that you pay for the right to be considered for a Visa or the right to win a lottery. Random or discret
58 TACAA320 : Dude you're confusing apples and oranges. No personal criteria of lottery administrators interfere deciding who is a the winner Definitely a bad anal
59 Csavel : I think the problem isn't the non-refundability of the application, which is understandable, but 1) The expense, - even if it supposedly is to cover t
60 B747-437B : To be fair, the reason given was "Refusal under section 214(b) of the INA". Section 214(b) deals with "inability to establish sufficient ties to the
61 Logan22L : I'm not the one here who appears confused. It is a perfectly apt analogy. You pay for a service. As I said in post #57: Now, if you disagree with the
62 Yu138086 : It's quite common for people to apply for a VISA, get one , then overstay their VISA while abroad never to return. This is the concern (and rightly so
63 Mt99 : I think that that is the bottom line of this argument. If the rules published openly (are they?) and people still want to "risk" it.. then if they do
64 TACAA320 : Did you notice that you were quoting yourself?
65 L410Turbolet : TACA, I think it's nothing unusual that administrative fees are non-refundable. Also, it's no secret that fees for this or that are more than welcome
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