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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

After having been in the airline industry for over 4 years, I've done a ton of domestic traveling, and little international (London 2x). I'm thinking about using some of vacation accrual in Europe next month, and I was wondering how I can most easily (and affordably) get about and stay at night. Hostels, trains, things like that. I'm planning to go to Germany on LH (I guess to MUC - haven't looked at the itineraries just yet) and then mosey my way down through France to southern Spain. I should have ten days total, and I was hoping (in some way) to hop across to Morocco, if even for a short time. I want to see one major German city (MUC or FRA will be fine), Paris, Madrid, and if I have enough time, take a train back up through Barcelona and the French Riveria. Heck even pass through Switzerland, if possible. If anyone has some insight or could show me some websites (for purchasing train tickets - if trains can take me where I want to go - hostels, things to see, etc.), I'd appreciate it.

And if I don't respond on this right away, it's because I'm leaving work for the day soon, but I'll be checking this again tomorrow.

-R

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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5070 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

Make sure you hit Amsterdam, the fun capital of Europe. (Depending on your particular vices, of course!)


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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
Make sure you hit Amsterdam, the fun capital of Europe. (Depending on your particular vices, of course!)

Ahh, how can you say that?? Amsterdam has just launched an extensive marketing campaign to get rid of that image... We also have very nice old buildings, canals, wooden shoes, flowers and DJ Tiësto... Who cares about the red light district and smoking pot...???

Cheers!



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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Friends from ORD told me about Amsterdam. Not really into the same in which they seemed to find pleasure.

I can get an RT on MartinAir, though, and I'm thinking about taking that instead of LH. I wouldn't see much of Germany, though, if I took MP.

-R


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Frankfurt, Madrid, Vienna . . . my particular favorites.

Get a EurRail Pass. I know this is an aviation site - but if you want to SEE Europe, that's the way to go. Start in Copenhagen. Take a ferry to Amsterdam. Take Rhine River Cruise to Frankfurt. Take the train to Vienna and Madrid


User currently offlineVS747SPUR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

Barcelona is a definate must, I loved that place ! Switzerland is a beautiful country too. Paris also very nice !

Hostels : http://www.statravel.co.uk/accommoda...e=goog&keyword=youth+hostel&bhcp=1 May be handy.

For trains : http://www.raileurope.com/us/rail/passes/switzerland_index.htm
This could be useful too.

Regards

VS747SPUR



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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Get a EurRail Pass. I know this is an aviation site - but if you want to SEE Europe, that's the way to go. Start in Copenhagen. Take a ferry to Amsterdam. Take Rhine River Cruise to Frankfurt. Take the train to Vienna and Madrid

 scratchchin 

How the heck do I do this? A ferry to Amsterdam - from Copenhagen? That seems a bit long, but then, to me it seems like Northern European geography would be more expansive. That whole route sounds like a cool plan, though. I'll look into it, but I'm open to pointers as to how to do this.

-R


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Quoting Allstarflyer (Thread starter):
(I guess to MUC - haven't looked at the itineraries just yet) and then mosey my way down through France to southern Spain. I should have ten days total, and I was hoping (in some way) to hop across to Morocco, if even for a short time. I want to see one major German city (MUC or FRA will be fine), Paris, Madrid, and if I have enough time, take a train back up through Barcelona and the French Riveria.

That's plenty for ten days. In doubt, choose a little less to soak up atmosphere and blend with the environment.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 6):
A ferry to Amsterdam - from Copenhagen?

http://www.passengershipsociety.com/ferrylinks.htm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Take Rhine River Cruise to Frankfurt.

http://www.rivercruises.com/


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

I'll throw my hat in here too. I'm planning on going with my family to Europe. We were planning on going to France, Italy, and Germany. Which places in Italy (aside from Rome) and Germany are family friendly places?

Also, how much is EURail?



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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3364 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

http://www.eurail.com/


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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 10):
http://www.eurail.com/

I went to that site right after posting the question. Any tips on cities to visit? Berlin vs. Frankfurt; Florence vs. Milan vs. Venice?



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Family friendly? Well, that's certainly not Rome. The traffic there is crazy, but you nevertheless shouldn't miss Rome or Florence and the Tuscan countryside.

As for Germany, the most family friendly spots I know of are the Eastfrisian islands, such as Langeeog ( http://www.langeoog.de ) Nice beaches, dunes, no cars allowed and very little pollution. It's comparatively expensive, though and difficult to get there. And I don't think you are keen on spending your holidays on a little island, no matter how peaceful it may be. My sister in law and I spend a couple of days there every year to relax.

How about Freiburg and the Black Forest? It's a small but thanks to it's University relatively vibrant city with a nice old town. And Freiburg is only a stone's throw from Switzerland and France.

If you want to see a big German city, I would choose MUC over FRA any day.

[Edited 2005-04-16 01:05:30]


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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 12):
Nice beaches, dunes, no cars allowed and very little pollution.

One thing though...being brown, my family doesn't care for beaches too much  Wink. I think the historical sites are more important for my parents, which is why Rome is a must. As for Germany, it seems to me like Berlin has the most history. Also, where are the best places to see the castles?

[Edited 2005-04-16 01:18:14]


"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

Ahh, your parents. I was thinking of your kidsBig grin

Yes, than Berlin is a must see, Munich comes second. Castles ... oh dear ... Neuschwanstein of course and don't miss the Rhine valley (train!). And your parents will like Freiburg and the Black Forest, too.

Hint: "being brown" is interpreted as "being Nazi" in Germany.  Wink



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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
Ahh, your parents. I was thinking of your kids.

Haha yeah...im only 22!

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
Neuschwanstein of course

That's the castle I was thinking of.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
Hint: "being brown" is interpreted as "being Nazi" in Germany.

Thanks for the tip!



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2059 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
and don't miss the Rhine valley (train!).

When I lived in Wiesbaden one of my favorite things to do was to take a KD Boat (the old Drachenfels was my favorite) down the Rhine from Mz/Erbenheim to Koblenz and return on the train. It will take most of the day, but it IS worth the trip. The Rhine Valley is one of the most beautiful places in Germany, bar none. Don't miss that ride.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

All about Neuschwanstein and other Bavarian castles: http://www.schloesser.bayern.de/ (english) Neuschwanstein is in the southwest of Bavaria. Being there, you may want to travel to Lake Constanz (Bodensee), as well.


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User currently offlineBCNGRO From Andorra, joined Oct 2004, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
Yes, than Berlin is a must see

It's indeed a must. Lots of history there. Don't forget to visit a concentration camp. Sachsenhausen is a good choice.

If you are planning to visit Spain these are the better ways to move around:

Plane: http://www.vueling.com, http://www.iberia.com, http://www.spanair.com and http://www.aireuropa.com

Train: http://www.renfe.es

And don't forget to spend some days in Barcelona!

Regards,
BCNGRO

[Edited 2005-04-16 02:57:37]


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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Using Eurail, you should be able to get a multi-country pass, but also look at each trip on an individual basis compared with the cost per day of a pass.

Example: I paid $200 for 5 days for last July, or $40 per day. For whatever pass YOU buy, determine the daily cost. So, if a particular train segment is less than that, then don't waste a day on your pass! Contrastly, if the proposed cost of a trip is more than the daily cost of your pass, then use a day of your pass. Forgive me for sounding like an accountant, but given the exchange rate these days, any money you can save is worth it.

Regarding Deutsche Bahn: I had no problems whatsoever...great value, if you ask me. Trains are on time, but not nearly to German standards of course, which is why most of them complain about it to no end. For us Yanks on vacation though, it's perfect, and better than anything here, that's for damn sure. Use their website, and that can help you plan departure and arrival times, total time on the train, and you can use it to book hotels, like I did. I used this site extensively to plan my 10 days through Germany, and it was priceless! I think DB lost money on my pass, but oh, well.

If you're limited on time in Germany, then Munich and Berlin are musts. But, if you do both this trip, remember it's about an 8-10 hour train ride between each city, and you might consider taking a night train. Don't bother wasting time in Dresden, it's not worth it, plus they're not openly friendly with westerners, either. Don't waste your time with the Nazi stuff in Nurnberg, either. Go to Cologne if you want to see the cathedral or a gay parade, otherwise forget it. Bonn is nice, but not a lot to see if you're short on time. Anyway, in either Munich or Berlin, do the walking tour, which is about 13 Euros, plus tip, which is highly recommended, as the guides REALLY know their stuff. Here's links for both MUC and Berlin. The Berlin site has a coupon that gives a 1 or 2 Euros off a tour if you print it now and give it to them when you pay.

http://www.berlinwalks.de/
Offers several tours. 3-4 hours for the city tour...try to get Henry if he's there. Also, get out to Potsdam if at all possible, Cecillienhof and Sansoucci are AMAZING to see. Tours leave from the Zoo Hbf (train station in the former West Berlin, near the zoo) or near Ostbahnhof, IIRC.

http://www.munichwalks.com/
Stick with this company while in MUC...they have Neuschwanstein tours (allow 1 full day for approx. $40 plus tip. Book this advance on the website now if you're going to be there in the summer)
They also have a tour of Dachau as well I believe. Dachau is like 12 miles NW of the city.

Also in Munich...stay away from the Hofbrauhaus...total tourist trap! Unless you want to watch foreign tourists get drunk, forget it. Go somewhere authentic. The G. Schneider & Sohn brewery is about a block or so east of Marienplatz/neues Rathaus/Glockenspiel. Even better yet...and go to the Englischer Garten rain or shine...but there's a huge eating area at the Chinese pogoda area...treat yourself to a Storkelfisch! In the southeast corner of the park, check out the surfers in the river that comes out from under the street! They're fun to watch for 15-20 mins.

I love both Munich and Berlin...I miss it a great deal...I always have a blast there. I didn't get to do the Rhine cruise, but I understand the area between St. Goar and Bacharach is the most scenic, based on Rick Steves' tour book.

Spain: Barcelona over Madrid any day! The eastern coast is nice, several resort towns to check out. Stay in a Paradores (sp?) hotel anywhere, some are better than others, but the one we stayed at in Albacete was great. Seville is a nice city...I enjoyed it there as well, and consider going to see a bullfight at the Plaza de Toros in Madrid. To get to the south coast, from Madrid take the AGV from Atocha and it goes to Sevilla via one stop. From Sevilla, take a regular train to Cadiz, which is nice, and then ultimately get to Tarifa, which is the windsurfing capital of Europe. Stay away from the Costa del Sol, which is a tourist trap from everywhere I've read. You can do Morocco in a day..buy a day tour in Tarifa, and there's a ferry that leaves from either Tarifa (it might now, but there wasn't one in 2001) or Algeciras. Gibraltar is right there, but Morocco is a real eye opener! Worth it though, for a day. Go with a group, definitely.

[Edited 2005-04-16 08:41:34]

User currently offlineAdam From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

Dude don't forget to go to Rome. You can't go to Europe withoutout going to Rome. There aren't many hostels all over, but you can find a few by termini.

Adam



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24928 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

Magaluf, it's full of Spanish culture  Wink


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User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Europe is such a diverse place! Look into your heart and see what countries you are most interested in.

Mostly I've been to the cities, but I can make these suggestions:

For great European value, consider Budapest and Prague.

The great cities of Europe in my mind are Vienna, London, Rome, and Paris. Because for centuries they were the hearts of large empires or countries

Other great cities are
Germany - Munchen and Bavaria (never been to Berlin) is way better than the other cities IMO
Spain - Madrid (Barcellona also good)
Finland - Helsinki, in the height of Summer
Netherlands - Amsterdam - a great European city, and with some 'special' atraction
Portugal - Lisbon is nice
Italy - Florence is great too, as is Sienna
Greece - Athens is great. The rest of the country not so attractive, unless you are very partial to Greek history. The isles are good though

Eurail is the best way to get around. If you can afford it, rent a car for a few days, and experience the freedom of the countryside too.

Have big fun!!!


User currently offlineA319114 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 541 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

You really should come to The Netherlands, it's a nice country to visit and there's lots of more to see besides Amsterdam. For Example, if you are into modern architecture you could visit Rotterdam, also famous for its harbour, one of the biggest in the world (really worth a visit). If I have time, I even could show you around in Holland.
I also really like Vienna, a great city with a rich history. Make sure you visit an opera performance in the Staatsoper (state opera).



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

"Hint: "being brown" is interpreted as "being Nazi" in Germany. Wink"

What can brown do for you?


25 Post contains images NoUFO : LOT767-300ER, I'm sorry?
26 Lfutia : Why not go to Iceland?
27 StevenUhl777 : One thing I'd add to Berlin is the Reichstag...it's free to get in, though you will probably have to stand in line, and of course go through security.
28 Libturdslayer : My advice: Don't go to Europe. They don't really like Americans there and there isn't much to see, I've heard. Why would you want to go over there whe
29 N1120A : Funny how that is completely untrue
30 B747-437B : Actually, I've found it quite hard to find a woman with hair in her armpits in America while they are very abundant in Europe.
31 Libturdslayer : Both are true. I'd rather be at the Paris hotel in Las Vegas than the actual Paris, frenchie. Haha, that's true. Another reason to stay away from Eur
32 B747-437B : Well, they DO have FREE heathcare.... Doesn't that count for something?
33 N1120A : How dare you mention the capital of SIN (Las Vegas, perish)!!
34 Libturdslayer : Actually, Nevada did vote for a law limiting marriage between a man and a women, so it can't be that Bad. I'd rather be in Las Vegas because Bush wou
35 B747-437B : Thats explains why GKirk moved back to Scotland. Where men are men and sheep are afraid....
36 YVRtoYYZ : You state you are free, yet you preach things such as: 1) no same-sex marriage; 2) no abortion 3) no freedom of religion; 4) no liberal philosophies;
37 Libturdslayer : Free crappy health "care." It's socialist, so I automatically don't trust it. Might as well be the soviet Union, I say. The people who don't have hea
38 B747-437B : Or dead. People without healthcare tend to die.
39 StevenUhl777 : So it sounds like you've never been there yourself, then? While we're not #1 on their list, if you go and act polite and be respectful of them and th
40 N1120A : Happens all the time in the US A better health system than ours and comparing the cost of health insurance to the increase in taxes, they pay less
41 NoUFO : Tip: If you don't want to call them in advance and make an appointment, I suggest you come at either 8:00 am or a quarter to 10 pm. Entrance closes a
42 StevenUhl777 : NoUFO: When I was there last July, I think I got there around 9:15, and the line was still quite long, on to the grass about 100 feet off the steps, a
43 Post contains images NoUFO : StevenUhl777, If you come only minutes before 10, the line is somewhat shorter. But 30-40 minutes is still ok, I guess. Others literally wait hours. I
44 JpetekYXMD80 : Not if you have anything to do with it...you and your totalitarian theocracy ideals. Who are you trying to kid? Hmm, what does the bible condone pros
45 Mdsh00 : NoUFO, that is a slogan used by UPS here in the States. Way to come in and hijack a thread, retard. You call yourself a polite and smart "Christian"
46 Foxiboy : Europe no culture HA ! thats a laugh how many years history does the US have,then compare that to europes long history,we have many different nations
47 Post contains images Mdsh00 : Some? It's only libturdslayer and his asinine comments. I think most Americans do acknowledge that Europe has a richer history and culture. After all
48 Post contains images Skidmarks : Mdsh00, From the amount of info being fed to you there, it looks like you need a lot more than 10 days Why not take a year out and do what the Aussies
49 Post contains images Skidmarks : DOH!! Age has got to me. I should have addressed the last post to Allstarflyer. Sorry - but it's early in the morning here - well, 9.45am but it is Su
50 Post contains images Gkirk : Is Libturdslayer for real? I feel sorry for the majority of Americans having someone like that calling themself American
51 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Iceland sounds fine, but I want to be somewhere where I can keep going to other places w/o having the additional flying (which wouldn't be so bad of
52 L410Turbolet : I am all in favor of lifting the ban on Turd! This kid is just so hysterical, the bs he posts brings welcome stir here on a.net. Not that I'm much int
53 Post contains images StevenUhl777 : Should have written more...I ran as far west as Gold Else, and then turned left (south) where there were some more trees to offer shelter from the ra
54 NumberTwelve : Munich over Frankfurt but Hamburg over Munich. It depends what you want to see, guys. If you like the so-called "cozy" Germany, you shouldn't miss Fr
55 Post contains images Allstarflyer : I say more cozy - if I'm going to be going about quite a bit, then I'll need some relaxing visits along the way. I've been thinking too - if this get
56 Post contains images TFSPhoto : Cleethorpes
57 Post contains images Mdsh00 : I see you really are showing your now. If you could see who put him on their RR, you'd laugh.
58 Allstarflyer : Dude's gone. Adios. Sayonara. -R
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