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New Artistic Pictures Of Abu Ghraib  
User currently offlineJUANR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Painter Fernando Botero has depicted the horror of Abu Ghraib abuses in a collection of pictures that will be exhibited in Rome and then over the world. They are artisticly awesome but unfortunately they show a cruel truth. Enjoy them, if you can:

http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/cult/ga...ALERIAFOTOS-WEB-obras-2036978.html

http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/cult/ga...ALERIAFOTOS-WEB-obras-2036986.html

http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/cult/ga...ALERIAFOTOS-WEB-obras-2036988.html

http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/cult/ga...ALERIAFOTOS-WEB-obras-2037208.html

Juan
SKBO

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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

While I doubt it really needs to be said, I would just like to officially state that the vast majority of Americans soldiers detest what occurred in Abu Ghraib. It was always said about being a POW: Being an American POW is horrifying. Being a POW in America's custody is a step up in living.

Unfortunately that was not true here. I will be honest, I am conflicted about the use of torture and whether/when it should be used. I just cannot bring myself to believe torture should NEVER be used. But I am perfectly comfortable believing that the treatment of POWS at Abu Ghraib was dead wrong. What distinguished us from them (aside from out technological superiority) was that we were more humane. While our enemy showed no regard for innocent life, we were willing to place more soldiers lives in danger than risk killing innocents. We treated captured soldiers with civility and the we were proud of the Gulf War I images of Americans treating captured Iraqis with water, food and shelter. This... this just set us back 20 years.

-UH60


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1653 times:

Your title is very misleading.
It implies that there are pictures of NEW abuses at Abu Graib.

Instead I find the imaginings of some "artist" who does not seem to be at all troubled by former Iraqi secret police beheading foreigners with a pocket knife for the crime of trying to fix Bagdhad's water system.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1638 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
Your title is very misleading.
It implies that there are pictures of NEW abuses at Abu Graib.

I agree completely. The story would be different if they were photos. An artists imagination can get carried away, and in some cases above, it did.

By the way, JuanR, I don't see any drawings of the poor bastards that were beheaded with a knife in there? I don't see any drawings of IEDs being put in place.

That said, I think the actions of the few at Abu Ghraib were deplorable. I said the same thing when it first became public knowledge. I'll say it today and tomorrow. Deplorable. There is absolutely no excuse for their actions and I could not accept any offered.


User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1636 times:

ANC, your pretty smart for a Republican my man.

That said, I think the thread title should be changed. Misleading.

[Edited 2005-04-16 05:01:43]

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1627 times:

Quoting Usairwys757 (Reply 4):
Republican

Independent . . . Independent . . . Independent . . . Independent . . . .  hissyfit 


 wink 


User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1622 times:

My good, I dont know why I mistakened you for one of "them".  Wink

I must have mixed you up with Falcon84. He's so far to the right its not even funny.  Wink  Wink

[Edited 2005-04-16 05:10:49]

User currently offlineJUANR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 days ago) and read 1597 times:

The title is not misleading, I those pictures have just been released this week, I never wrote anything about new abuses or anything like that.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
By the way, JuanR, I don't see any drawings of the poor bastards that were beheaded with a knife in there? I don't see any drawings of IEDs being put in place

I agree, that is cruel too, but you should ask that to the painter, not me, I do condemn those beheadings as well.

I just want to share the pictures with you, those will be exhibited worldwide as he is a very recognized artist in the world, I do not care about his purposes when painting those pictures, but their quality is really high. He is famous for painting, among other things, violence here in Colombia and his pictures and sculpures are recognized worldwide.

Juan
SKBO


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 days ago) and read 1594 times:

I was hoping for some pictures of that horrible interrogation technique where a female American soldier wears a thong to interrogate an Iraqi

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 911 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 days ago) and read 1586 times:

Quoting JUANR (Thread starter):
They are artisticly awesome but unfortunately they show a cruel truth.

Oh boo fricking hoo....

There has been an Abu Ghraib of every single modern war, and they were all far worse. Had this happened on a college campus, it would have been dismissed as frat boys being frat boys. Yet some pansy has to make a knock-off of Picasso's Guernica. Calling Abu Ghraib an atrocity is a slap in the face to real tragedies and cheapens the victims of horrors like Andersonville, the Soviet Goulags, the Cambodian death fields, or Rawanda.

[Edited 2005-04-16 06:33:33]

User currently offlineAviationmaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2473 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

Quoting JUANR (Reply 7):
The title is not misleading, I those pictures have just been released this week, I never wrote anything about new abuses or anything like that.

It is misleading, nuff said. First off they aren't pictures. We are talking about PAINTINGS here. Your title could also be understood in the way that new pictures of abuses at Abu Gharaib have surfaced...

Que tenga un buen dia,
Christian


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

Quoting JUANR (Reply 7):
I do condemn those beheadings as well.

Fair enough.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Quoting JUANR (Reply 7):
The title is not misleading,

Well consider this:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
Your title is very misleading.
It implies that there are pictures of NEW abuses at Abu Graib.



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
I agree completely. The story would be different if they were photos. An artists imagination can get carried away, and in some cases above, it did.



Quoting Usairwys757 (Reply 4):
That said, I think the thread title should be changed. Misleading.



Quoting Aviationmaster (Reply 10):
It is misleading, nuff said. First off they aren't pictures. We are talking about PAINTINGS here.

So it is four to one against you. Three from the US and one from Switzerland. Perhaps your command of English is not good enough to comprehend the problem with your words, but the title IS misleading.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Misleading...and discussed to death.

The "horror" as you call it...was severely overblown by the media, leftists, and anti-war crowd.



Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1443 times:



-Dan



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1424 times:

Jamesag96: The "horror" as you call it...was severely overblown by the media, leftists, and anti-war crowd

The families of the several people all over the worldwide US detention system (by far not just in Abu Ghraib) who were tortured to death would find your statement somewhat offensive.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1394 times:

Discussed to death?

Lord forbid that we talk about our country, the beacon of freedom and democracy, using torture on foreign POW's. Lord forbid that we hold our country to the highest standards. I hold my own country to the highest standards, more than any other. It is the most patriotic thing I can do. I know that the terrorists are gonna be doing crazy shit, what I'd prefer is that our soldiers do not.

That is why this is discussed.



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User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

Quoting JUANR (Thread starter):
They are artisticly awesome but unfortunately they show a cruel truth

Why are they all so fat?



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User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2541 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1352 times:
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Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 13):


The "horror" as you call it...was severely overblown by the media, leftists, and anti-war crowd.

Well if that's how you feel, lets ship you off to Abu Ghraib, to be stripped, beaten, humiliated, and sexually assaulted...... Then you tell me that it was overblown by the media and leftists.

The fact that you dismiss the horrifying things that went on there at the hands of Americans, who are supposed to be "above" all that, is frankly sad and only speaks of (your) bigotry and blindness. It shows how disgusting this war truly is. Have a nice day.

-AA777


User currently offlineContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Independent . . . Independent . . . Independent . . . Independent . . .

Well, I'm Republican, and I agree with ANCFlyer. Absolutely despicable. This is not behavior that should be tolerated.

It is always painful for such behavior to come to light, and embarrassing, too. But it's good for the soul. Bringing such abuses to the light of day is the first step in eliminating them.



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User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 22 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

Quoting Catatonic (Reply 17):
Why are they all so fat?

Botero's style. All their paintings have overweight people on them.


User currently offlineJUANR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 12 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 20):
Botero's style. All their paintings have overweight people on them.

Not only people, animals, things, everything is overweight in Botero's paintings.

Juan
SKBO


User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 12 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 19):
This is not behavior that should be tolerated.


But it has been, and it still is. And imagine: this would have happened to US citizens - US citizens were tortured and murdered. The tortured and murdered people are "only" Iraqi, so that's no big deal. Hmmm, in civilized countries we call it "Racism"

In Germany we had other cases of US behavour: a US soldier who murdered a woonded and helpless Iraqi, didn't land in prison - his collegue who refused going back to Iraq (cause of the behavour of the 1st soldier) landed in jail for 1 year.

And this criminal bast*** (murderer) is free, can't even judged in La Hague.

[Edited 2005-04-17 18:28:54]


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