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Death Of The SUV & Monster Truck?  
User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

I just paid 35 bucks for 15 gallons of gas here in PHX. I do think that the high gas prices will have some positive effects ... Do you think that the end of the huge SUV and the giant monster trucks is finally here ??? I sure hope so. Maybe the gas hogs will go away soon.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

No... Hybrid versions will soon be available.

Why would a manufacturer let all of that profit margin slip away by cancelling a product line?



"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlineTPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

Yeah $44 every time I fill up the Jeep is getting a bit regoddamndiculous. I was thinking about a hybrid, I want to see the technology when I get my next car. I know the Accord has more HP than the gas model.


This is the Last Stop.
User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3407 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

No. Even more SUV's are entering the market. The new Saab 9-7X, Hummer H3  yuck  are just a few examples.

User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

I'm thinking about a VW Golf diesel. 47 mpg would work for me. Diesel fuel here in PHX is $2.40 a gallon. A hybrid SUV would be a good idea. Either way I think the gas hogs are on the way out.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

A diesel-electric hybrid is overdue. A large SUV would be a great platform to launch this. If fuel prices stay high enough long enough, I am sure consumer demand will bring this about.


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User currently offlineTPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 5):
A diesel-electric hybrid is overdue. A large SUV would be a great platform to launch this. If fuel prices stay high enough long enough, I am sure consumer demand will bring this about.

I am all in for this, as I love having a larger car. I would be willing to pay a bit more for it, and I agree that consumer demand is going to bring about some changes. That is, as soon as the large oil companies find a way to make a profit off of it.



This is the Last Stop.
User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

You all have short memories or maybe none at all. In the mid seventies everybody had to have a good gas mileage car because "gas is too expensive at 49.9". The station wagons and aircraft carrier sized cars disappeared. Everybody started buying diesel cars, volkswagens, mazdas, vegas, etc.

Wanna guess what happened a few years later? You guessed it along comes the pickup truck craze followed shortly thereafter by the SUVs.

Getting rid of SUVs or buying hybrids is not the answer -- changing the way we get around is.


User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

If you noticed...... I stated a hybrid - SUV.............. They'll never go away


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 8):
If you noticed...... I stated a hybrid - SUV.............. They'll never go away

Sure they will - just like station wagons and fenders with fins. Something equally outrageous and pretentious will replace them however.


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 7):
Getting rid of SUVs or buying hybrids is not the answer -- changing the way we get around is.

How do you suggest we get around then? I am all for efficiency, and hybrids seem to be the next big step in fuel efficient vehicles. Most American cities are built around a mobile population. Leveling them all and starting over is not a realistic option. Teleportation is a long way off and mass transit is very inefficient in most US cities in terms of money and resources consumed per person moved. So whats the average person to do?



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

Quoting DC10GUY (Thread starter):
Do you think that the end of the huge SUV and the giant monster trucks is finally here ???

Simple answer: NOPE.  bigthumbsup 

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/csmpep/TheMANTruck.jpg

 duck   stirthepot 


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4014 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 2):
Yeah $44 every time I fill up the Jeep is getting a bit regoddamndiculous. I was thinking about a hybrid, I want to see the technology when I get my next car.

I thought I read somewhere that Jeep was coming out with a Diesel powered Liberty. I own a Wrangler ('00') and while I feel your pain but I love Jeeps. It is very likely my next new car will be a Jeep as well (probably a Liberty or one of the newer LWB Wanglers).

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

The "death"? Probably not. Many people who don't really need a big truck or one of the more outrageous SUVs might be put off by fuel prices, but those that need them will continue to buy in quantities that will serve the mfgrs well. As a matter of fact I'm currently looking for precisely the model ANCFlyer pictured. Even the color is ok (but I don't need an accessory top). Heavy duty, 4wd is a must on the new property and I'll just have to pay more in fuel.

Depending on driving habits, say one spends an extra $15 a week in fuel with the current high prices, that would equate to about $780 extra per year, hardly enough to deter the purchase of a $25,000 - $35,000 or more $ vehicle for those who are in that economic profile. If one worries about an extra grand a year in fuel to feed their show-monster, then perhaps they should downsize as they are probably overextending to begin with. So, I can see sales tapering off because of fuel prices, but I don't see the death of this genre anytime soon. Of course new technology combinations to significantly improve mileage will always be welcome and when available could alter further the buyer demographics. Regards...Jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

In two words: Hell no.

Those stupid working class soccer moms with Escalades will just keep charging the stuff onto their credit cards, further sinking themselves into debt...

JBirdAV8r
Proud owner of a (unmodified!!) Honda Civic



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

You could see more people choosing smaller to mid-sized SUV's. While fuel prices have let up a little from a couple of weeks ago, many whom drive a lot of miles will probably take a little more care in their next choice of vehicle, considering somewhat more fuel efficient models.

User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3407 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Those stupid working class soccer moms with Escalades

Since when can the 'working class' afford a $60,000 car?  Confused


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4014 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 16):
Since when can the 'working class' afford a $60,000 car? Confused

I was thinking the same thing.

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

ANCFlyer, that's the perfect vehicle for living out in the sticks ... Is it a diesel too ? Too many people in the city drive them things to the mall and fight the freeway traffic with them. There will always be a need for 4X4 trucks, I just think the trendyness is fading because of the high cost of gas ...


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 18):
ANCFlyer, that's the perfect vehicle for living out in the sticks

Yup, and the damn thing will barely clear the underground parking garage in my condo - only 3" clearance  wideeyed 

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 18):
Is it a diesel too ?

Yup, nothing better for pulling the camper  biggrin 


User currently offlineN317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 16):
Since when can the 'working class' afford a $60,000 car?

They can't afford it which is why they buy on credit. Now with the new bankruptcy rules, these people are in for a hurting.


User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3407 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

Even 'buying on credit' requires a substantial down payment which I would be hard pressed to see the 'working class' come up with. Not to mention that it would be financial suicide.

Most* people are smarter then that.


*A word I use loosely


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40036 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1840 times:

DC10GUY:
The "trendyness' of these large SUVs is certainly dying off but the new fad is even worse!
The car-based unibody SUV is more popular today. They are the worst of both worlds. It's still talk, bulky, compromised gas milage and handling yet it can't go off road or haul anything. Instead your just sitting up high looking stupid.
People that NEED a truck based SUV as ANCFlyer and Cptkrell can pick one up used rather cheap considering there is a glut on the used truck market.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8031 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

I think what will happen is that automakers will now re-double their efforts to develop turbodiesel engines that meet the EPA Tier 4 emission rules, which will make them 50-state legal. That will allow light trucks, SUV's and minivans to be switched mostly to turbodiesel engines, which means 35-45% fuel economy improvements right there!  bigthumbsup 

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40036 posts, RR: 74
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 23):
I think what will happen is that automakers will now re-double their efforts to develop turbodiesel engines that meet the EPA Tier 4 emission rules, which will make them 50-state legal. That will allow light trucks, SUV's and minivans to be switched mostly to turbodiesel engines, which means 35-45% fuel economy improvements right there!

Hasn't Jeep moved in that direction already with there Jeep Liberty availible in diesel?



Bring back the Concorde
25 Skystar : What's the appeal of driving a truck? I dunno, it seems like an absolute turnoff to me - a big fat, clumsy thing that can't corner. I like cars that a
26 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Bully for you! Find a car that "corners" that will also haul 12,800 pounds behind it over mountain roads . . . . and be sure to include the following
27 Post contains images Superfly : ANCFlyer: If God drove a truck, it would be a Ford F-350 with a diesel.
28 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Yup, you betcha! With lots of chrome (frickin high maintenance stuff!) and KC Daylighters on the bumper.
29 SATL382G : Most American cities were literally built around light rail, which in the forties and fifties, most US cities abandoned. Bring back light rail, which
30 Superfly : Very true but the 'Uniter' that claims not to be a 'Divider' and his Congress rather spend our tax dollars on wars in Iraq an oil rich nation .
31 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Man, Fly, this thread was doing so great - now you went and politicized it. . . I thought better of you . . . bummer.
32 SATL382G : Every administration from Eisenhower on has done the same or very similar things... They are simply answering the demand from the American people ins
33 CaptOveur : Even the unwashed hippies at my university dropped the "no wars for oil" crap. Once they got it I thought everyone had. This thread was doing so well
34 Post contains images Superfly : ANCFlyer & CaptOvuer: Sorry, I was just responding to SATL382G's post. Ford trucks are the best! Is that best ANCFlyer? CaptOvyer: The unwashed hippie
35 Post contains images ANCFlyer : OK, Brownie point made . . .
36 Post contains images WhiteHatter : No reason why SUVs need be extinct in the short to medium term. All that has to happen is for the manufacturers to start taking out weight and putting
37 Boeing7E7 : The Silvarado already is. It only nets you a fuel improvement of 1 gph though.
38 Superfly : Yes you do and some times more. What you are talking about is top-end horse power which you can achive with a small engine. However you need tourqe t
39 WhiteHatter : and just how many drivers in the USA are using their SUVs to do that? Or pulling heavy equipment in their five litre cars? If you need low end grunt
40 Post contains images Superfly : WhiteHatter: I agree with you. I've always advocated diesel engines especially for trucks. However I like my 7.5 liter V8 powered sedan. The original
41 PHLBOS : Depending on how some parking spaces are striped, fitting a 233-inch long car that has a 127-inch wheelbase can be a challenge. If one can manuever a
42 Keesje : I think Greenpeace should start a campaign on SUV buyers. Who they are, why they buy it, average IQ, recognition needs, environmental awareness, avera
43 Post contains images Superfly : PHLBOS: Not to sound cheesy but I am an expert at fitting a large object in to a tight place. Gosh I've said that to so many dates that's said; "Oh my
44 DC10GUY : Superfly, I'll bet it costs you 20 bucks to cover the bottom of your Lincoln's tank with gas ... I do like cars better than trucks. Them boats from th
45 Post contains images Superfly : DC10GUY: I havent filled my tank up in almost a month. It cost me $57 to do it. I only drive on the weekends and even those are short trips. I'll be d
46 Sacflyer : ROTFLMAO
47 Post contains images PHLBOS : 'Fly, I don't know about your neck of the woods; but out in the East Coast most of the parking spaces in lots are now striped without the 12 to 18 inc
48 Post contains images Biggles : Ninety five percent of the SUV's around here spend all their time in mall and school parking lots. They are also the first vehicles in the ditch when
49 Boeing Nut : Umm, car pooling works.
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