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Texas Will Only Execute 1 Tonight; Not 2  
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

Texas will forgo the scheduled double execution tonight. The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals stopped tonight’s revenge killing of one man over claims of mental retardation. The state will go ahead and kill the other.

On this topic - I went to one execution while attending a nearby university. This execution was more controversial than most because it involved a juvenile. An inmate was being put to death by the State of Texas for a crime committed while 17. Houston, Dallas, and Austin TV stations were there, along with CNN. Protesters came from near and far; some as far away as Europe.

It was powerful to know the government is killing someone only yards away. I witnessed a relative of the convicted break down in tears once word of the execution reached outside. I watched as protesting groups paraded up and down the avenue.

I did observe the overwhelming majority of protestors were speaking out against this execution not because the convicted was a juvenile at the time, but because of the color of his skin. I also noticed the color of most protesters’ skin matched that of his.

Very few proponents of the death penalty turned out – maybe a half dozen. These were not radical groups, simply victims’ rights advocates on behalf of the man who was killed for his car.

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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Well, theyre about to bump off someone on American Idol today. I guess that should suffice for the second killing of the day.

[Edited 2005-04-20 21:25:21]

User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
It was powerful to know the government is killing someone only yards away.

I don't quite get this...what do you mean, powerful? This is a serious question, btw!



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
killed for his car

I think that says it all right there. No MATTER what you think a death (or two in this case) over a car is FU¢KING sensless!!!


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Quoting Andreas (Reply 2):
don't quite get this...what do you mean, powerful? This is a serious question, btw!

Have you ever watched or knowingly been around someone when there were dying of something other then natural causes? I have.. Death is not a cool thing to see, or be around, and knowing that the only reason it is happening is because of the governments stance that this is what must happen must be powerful.

Personally I think the death penalty is to sterile to be a significant deterrent..


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

I like Texas death penalty law . . .

I heard they installed an express lane for the really nasty SOBs.


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
I heard they installed an express lane for the really nasty SOBs.

No, it's just for minorities. Affirmative action hard at work!  sarcastic 


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):
Have you ever watched or knowingly been around someone when there were dying of something other then natural causes? I have.. Death is not a cool thing to see, or be around, and knowing that the only reason it is happening is because of the governments stance that this is what must happen must be powerful.

Personally I think the death penalty is to sterile to be a significant deterrent..

Actually yes, I have, during an accident...a very nasty one! And I do know that death is not cool or clean, it's messy, it's terrible and it gave me the nightmares for ages.

Which is exactly why I don't get the word powerful here...and why I do not believe in teh death penalty in whatever shape.



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User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
I heard they installed an express lane for the really nasty SOBs

You beat me to it! That Blue Collar comedian Ron White uses this line in his stand-up act. Something like, "Most states are trying to outlaw the death penalty, MINE is putting in an express lane!"



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
I heard they installed an express lane for the really nasty SOBs.

If there is nothing to appeal or the person pleads guilty they just don't see any reason to keep them in the prison population any longer then they have to. I don't recall any mention of skin color being brought up in the law.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Quoting Andreas (Reply 2):
I don't quite get this...what do you mean, powerful?

TedTAce summed it up pretty well. Death is a very undesirable thing to be around. Knowing that someone walked into a nearby building yet they will not walk out. The entire experience was over-powering; seeing relatives of the executed break down, seeing relatives of the victim go in to the Walls Unit. The entire experience was eerie. I was there more as an observer - I sensed the emotion of all sides.

Quoting WellHung (Reply 6):
No, it's just for minorities. Affirmative action hard at work!

Unfortunately, WellHung, there is a lot of truth in that.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 8):
You beat me to it! That Blue Collar comedian Ron White uses this line in his stand-up act. Something like, "Most states are trying to outlaw the death penalty, MINE is putting in an express lane!"

One of his best lines in the routine . . . absolutely hilarious.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 9):
If there is nothing to appeal or the person pleads guilty they just don't see any reason to keep them in the prison population any longer then they have to. I don't recall any mention of skin color being brought up in the law.

I don't recall skin color being written in to the law either. I've never been one to really give a shit about the color of a person's skin, I kinda figure if you're a shit head, you're a shithead - it doesn't matter whether your green, red, orange, tall, short, fat, skinny, smart, stupid, boy, girl, undecided. If you're a good guy/gal, then you're a good guy/gal, it doesn't matter.

There are those however, that toss out that skin color crap at the drop of a hat . . . often as a crutch for a lack of better material . . . case in point . . . . . .

Quoting WellHung (Reply 6):
No, it's just for minorities. Affirmative action hard at work!


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Ah ok, now I do understand...yes that is what I would expect to feel, too, I suspect, if I were there. When I witnessed death (see above), it scared the shit out of me...sort of, in a very unpleasant way, eerie, creepy and slow...


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
I don't recall skin color being written in to the law either. I've never been one to really give a shit about the color of a person's skin, I kinda figure if you're a shit head, you're a shithead - it doesn't matter whether your green, red, orange, tall, short, fat, skinny, smart, stupid, boy, girl, undecided. If you're a good guy/gal, then you're a good guy/gal, it doesn't matter.

But the issue is that rich people seldom get executed. They can afford the expensive lawyers that ensure they don't get killed. Poorer people, which by definition includes more black people, tend to get executed more often. Surely that's an issue?


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 13):
But the issue is that rich people seldom get executed. They can afford the expensive lawyers that ensure they don't get killed. Poorer people, which by definition includes more black people, tend to get executed more often. Surely that's an issue?

But that has nothing to do with executions. In the whole prison system, minorities and the poor make up most of the inmates. It would only make sense that these are also the groups being executed.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 13):
But the issue is that rich people seldom get executed. They can afford the expensive lawyers that ensure they don't get killed.

Agreed. Pretty pathetic I concur.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 13):
Poorer people, which by definition includes more black people, tend to get executed more often.

I guess that depends on your definition of poor people, and I would allow you have a point. I do not however concur that because you're black you're poor, or that because your skin color is otherwise you're not.

I do allow that folks with the $$$ have these high priced scheister lawyers that play the system forever and ever, and appeal after appeal.

That's why I like the new law in Texas, that reads something like this "If more than two (maybe three) people saw you kill Tommy Tentpeg, your appeal process is null and coid and you're toast at Huntsville. No where does it read, "But only if you're poor and black". That's my point. Always someone to toss in skin color for lack of a better argument.

And I'll remind everyone again before I'm called a biggot (or worse) . . . . . . .

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
I've never been one to really give a shit about the color of a person's skin, I kinda figure if you're a shit head, you're a shithead - it doesn't matter whether your green, red, orange, tall, short, fat, skinny, smart, stupid, boy, girl, undecided. If you're a good guy/gal, then you're a good guy/gal, it doesn't matter.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 13):
But the issue is that rich people seldom get executed.

How many rich people break the law? Compare the number of "rich" people in the total population to the "rich" people in prison. Betcha its pretty insignifigant.

That would first mean defining rich. You might be shocked how little money one has to make for the US Government to classify you as "rich."

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 13):
Poorer people, which by definition includes more black people, tend to get executed more often. Surely that's an issue?

Who does most of the killing? It isn't Richard Branson and Bill Gates. what you are arguing over here is a social problem not a legal problem. Just like gun control the solution isn't more laws, it is fixing the problems that lead these dimwits to kill each other over something stupid, like a car.

Color is really not considered. The symbol of justice wears a blindfold, remember?


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
There are those however, that toss out that skin color crap at the drop of a hat .

I just said minorities. You're the one who automatically associated it with skin color.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

I'm so sick and tired of the liberals who while lamenting the execution of someone who committed his crime as a 17 year-old on the basis that they really didn't understand the nature and quality of their act due to their age have no problem arguing the exact opposite when it comes to a 17 year-old's right to have an abortion without parental consent.

Scalia's dissent in Roper ( on page 64 of the attached file http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...rtus.gov/opinions/04pdf/03-633.pdf ) is brilliant in exposing the hypocrisy of these positions.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21877 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

I'll begin by saying that I can't stand the thought of the government putting someone to death, but I'll try and put that aside for the purposes of this argument.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 16):
Color is really not considered. The symbol of justice wears a blindfold, remember?

In theory. But there have been studies done that reported that black people were much more likely to be sentenced to death than white people who had committed the same kind of crime.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=5&did=184#inmaterace

While there have been more whites executed than any other race in the US since 1976, the number of victims of crimes for which the defendant was executed is highly skewed towards whites. This led the GAO to state:

"In 82% of the studies [reviewed], race of the victim was found to influence the likelihood of being charged with capital murder or receiving the death penalty, i.e., those who murdered whites were found more likely to be sentenced to death than those who murdered blacks."
- United States General Accounting Office, Death Penalty Sentencing, February 1990"


Perhaps the most telling statistic is with regard to interracial murders. There have been twelve white people executed for killing black people since 1976, and in the same time period there have been 193 black people executed for killing white people.

Our death penalty system is color-blind? I highly doubt it.

Links to more articles can be found here: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=105&scid=5

-Mir



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 18):
I'm so sick and tired of the liberals who while lamenting the execution of someone who committed his crime as a 17 year-old on the basis that they really didn't understand the nature and quality of their act due to their age have no problem arguing the exact opposite when it comes to a 17 year-old's right to have an abortion without parental consent.

An 18 year old is not signifigantly more mature than a 17yr old.. or even a 15 year old. I think we need to re-evaluate the age of adulthood in this country for so many reasons, not the least of which is people under 18 literally getting away with murder because of their age.


User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Talk about a bitch that deseves to die

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/holbergbrittany.htm

Below is like a T.V guide, only better!!

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/scheduledexecutions.htm

I like to call this, Damn they got away

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/permanentout.htm

The Race statistics for Texas

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/racial.htm

May all 446 offenders soon burn in hell

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/offendersondrow.htm



Where did everybody go?
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1678 times:

Quoting WellHung (Reply 17):
I just said minorities. You're the one who automatically associated it with skin color.

Negative there Hero - I believe if you have your vision checked and re-read the thread, you'll see your comment was directed at "minorities" and CaptOveur's was directed at Skin Color . . .

I responded in kind.

Try another diversion, this one didn't work.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 18):
tired of the liberals

I'm a liberal (not a democrat mind you) and I support the death penality, and abortion!!


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21877 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 21):
Below is like a T.V guide, only better!!

Does anyone else find it more than slightly disturbing that this person would apparently rather watch people be executed than the regular primetime movies? It's like the Medieval Era all over again.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
25 LTBEWR : I tend to believe that a death penalty should exist and be considered: - For the most extreme 1st degree murder cases, such as multiple/serial murder,
26 CaptOveur : Its a one sided statistic. Say a particular third of the population commits a disproportionate number of murders and other crimes. Wouldn't it make s
27 Adam : Wow, you actually saw in person? I did a school speech on the death penalty junior year and used the Faces of death video which shows a man getting e
28 TedTAce : That's why it stupifies me that people are allowed to be sentenced on witness evidence alone. Show me 30 people who have witnessed a plane crash, and
29 ANCFlyer : For arguments sake TedTAce, let me paint you a picture. The new law in Texas, if I have it right, says that multiple witnesses must have seen this cr
30 Post contains links FlyingTexan : No, I did not see the execution in person. I went to witness the surrounding circus outside. Every execution comes with protesters, media, and the as
31 TedTAce : I would like good audio/video too!!
32 Post contains links AAFLT1871 : Read the crimes they have been convicted of, I see it as the state is taking out the trash. No Remorse, may they burn in hell!!! Everyone has choices
33 Post contains links Mdsh00 : Here is an interesting article that came up just today: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...haveputinnocentmantodeathpaneltold
34 Mir : I'll agree that black people do commit more murders than white people. That's a social problem, and not one that is within the bounds of this thread.
35 Adam : That is incredibly disturbing buddy. I mean, believe in capital punishment or don't...but that's sick. adam
36 UAXDXer : LMFAO... this is the first time I actually laughed out loud while reading the threads on this site!
37 Post contains images Andrej : .... where is the fun now? and on serious note, I believe in death penalty. We used to have it in Czechoslovakia, but after 1989 than Pres. Havel deci
38 Post contains links AAFLT1871 : Grow up junior, let's take a look at another thread that is currently active right now that you have posted on. Reply #3 which I have pasted on here
39 IAH777 : Its not necessarily the rich-poor aspect. Yes, the well-off tend to have better (read: 'higher-priced') representation, while those without the finan
40 Adam : To recap your show idea, let's say the murder reenactments are broadcasted on monday, people call in and vote for the criminal they want to see die..
41 Post contains images WellHung : You may have responded "in kind", but then you called me out. It's not my fault you don't know what you said. If you plan to talk trash like that, be
42 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Responding to Oveurs commentary . . . and pointing out yours . . . oh, and you've go to read the replies in order by the by . . . No big deal though,
43 NWA : " tend to believe that a death penalty should exist and be considered: - For the most extreme 1st degree murder cases, such as multiple/serial murder,
44 CaptOveur : I have no burning desire to go to the SF gay.. err bay area myself... all the bridges around here aren't very high and don't have any water around th
45 IAH777 : You're basing the value of human life on whether the death penalty is assessed? That's a bit naïve, don't you think? Of course, everyone thinks thei
46 TedTAce : Flying Texan: did they kill this kid the other rnight or what?
47 Post contains links FlyingTexan : Douglas Roberts was killed by lethal injection Wednesday evening for the kidnapping, robbery, and murder of Jerry Velez outside of San Antonio. The of
48 StevenUhl777 : That's what they need nationwide. Seriously. Start with the child molester who buried alive that poor little girl in Florida. The faster we extermina
49 CORULEZ05 : Why doesn't that statement surprise me? As for the death penalty, what is the point? People who committ crimes could care less about their life becau
50 StevenUhl777 : But then valuable taxpayer money has to be spent to support these subhuman monsters. Bring back the chain gang or the firing squad, or preferrably, b
51 Post contains links and images Springbok747 : On another note, do you guys think its fair to execute people for drug trafficking? I'm asking this because recently it's become a big issue here in
52 StevenUhl777 : Depends what the drug is, really. If it's an illegal painkiller or prescription medicine, then of course not. Fine them, but don't execute them. The
53 Springbok747 : Totally agree! There is something seriously wrong with Singapore. My cousin was fined $300 for throwing a piece of paper (one of those post-it notes)
54 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Hey, looook who's back. Enjoy your vacation. Get some sun did ya? Learn some tact and manners mayhaps? Not necessarily. Since I deal with some of the
55 StevenUhl777 : That's harsh and brutal and uncruel form of punishment. We need to feel sympathy for those poor prisoners. Signed, Bleeding heart liberals everywhere
56 Scbriml : Do you expect visitors to the US to obey your laws? If they break them, do you expect them to receive the prescribed punishment for that crime or not
57 FlyingTexan : Actually, the lengthy appeals process is even more costly. Hence, abolishing the death penalty will save taxpayer money.
58 TedTAce : Not for the United States. The cited examples are why I will NEVER visit such a totalitarian state!! ummm not exactly.. I'm VERY socailly liberal and
59 Scbriml : Huh? Unless you intend to commit a crime, why wouldn't you visit Singapore? As in most countries, if you keep your nose clean, you don't have any pro
60 Aa757first : So the 17 year 364 day old who shots a grandma in the face should be allowed to spend the rest of his life in prison? Yes. However, we don't beat peo
61 LTBEWR : I would like to reply to some comments on my positions on when the use of the death penalty should apply. Many of these points are parts of most state
62 TedTAce : I agree in principality, but the thing to keep in mind here is the story about being fined for missing the garbage even though they picked it up and
63 Mir : Yes. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and 18 is what it is for most others. There are always going to be those who benefit and those who are h
64 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Speaking of uptight places.... oh, nevermind.
65 Scbriml : But that's the law in Singapore. When in Rome...
66 TedTAce : BEAUTY!!! You are: ABSOLUTELY CORRECT SIR!!! There is an expresion here that I'm sure is universal, love it or leave it.. as FU¢KED up as the US is
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