PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1966 posts, RR: 25 Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3630 times:
Evolution is the established scientific theory of the development of the species. I not only accept those scientific findings, but I staunchly oppose the Christian fundamentalist movement that wants to either limit the teaching of evolution, or present it as a possible option side by side with creationism. It is appalling that so many young people subject to these fundamentalist school boards are going to enter university with a tremendous handicap. Teaching superstition is not a substitute for science!
Kieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3601 times:
I am a very strong believer in evolution and am an atheist. My background is scientific and I have studied genetics extensively, and one of my favourite books is Darwin's "On The Origin of Species".
In my opinion, it is the only theory that fits my understanding of the world (which I openly admit may be incorrect) and the way I see things. I know many people who don't believe in it, including a few scientists, who take the view that evolution is a fact, yet there is still a God-like force behind it all.
I also know people who refuse point blank to accept that humans came from primates. I believe that we did. My current flatmate is a scientist, his religion is Islam, and he believes in evolution - for every lifeform on the Earth except humans.
Now in my mind, his theory is sheer lunacy, but who am I to comment on it? He is happy with his explanation, I happen to think its a complete load of manure but I'm not going to argue too much with him (I have tried- and failed! )
I think that the fact that certain educational establishments do not teach evolution theory is a serious crime. If people want to teach creation theory- fine, but at least let people hear the other possible explanation!
N229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1884 posts, RR: 34 Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3515 times:
I also believe in the theory of mechanics, including gravity (a very nice theory that allows me to predict that if I drop something it will fall), etc. I believe in the theory that the earth is round and the theory that it orbits the sun due to the mechanics mentioned in the previous sentence. All scientific evidence points clearly to the conclusion that these theories are valid. They can be used to make many accurate extrapolations and predictions, the hallmark of all theories that have held up to scientific scrutiny. Evolution is one such well-established theory.
Quoting ZRH (Reply 7): Of course I do. It is scientifically proven.
It is as proven as a scientific hypothesis can be, just as with all the above examples. While I cannot personally understand why, there are people who continue to believe that the earth is flat, that the sun goes around it, and/or that evolution (natural selection) has not occurred and is not currently continuing--even though we can WATCH it happening in various species today, and see it in humans within recent history too (for example, consider the difference between the average height of humans now versus 300 years ago, etc.).
Anyone should be able to hold any religious beliefs they want, but these should not be taught in SCIENCE class, at least until people have a thorough understanding of what the scientific process is and how it works. As MD11Engineer (I think it was) said in another thread, it is a shame how many people are taught science as though it were a bunch of facts, conclusions, or formulas to memorize--rather than method of critical thinking and experimental process, which continually seeks to disprove its theories and see how well they hold up. If people learned to really think scientifically rather than memorize without understanding, there would be a lot more interest in science classes, not to mention less bizarre belief in things such as astrology...
Leviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3486 times:
Quoting Kieron747 (Reply 6): Have you any evidence of this 'proof' to back up your statement?
Well first of all it has never been proven, hence the name, Evolution THEORY, there are today no evidence that clearly shows the transformation for instance ape to human (I believe of course that there is SOME form of evolution on our planet, but a better word for it is progress and adjustments, that things change, but this thread seems to be about the theory of creation of mankind so I will leave it there). Also, all the latest research show (look for articles in Newsweek and Popular Science from January this year) that the different kinds of creatures developed from monkeys (homo erectus, homo whatever etc.) never actually met/lived together or had close relations/sexual contact. So the so called chain would have been broken several times. Now I do not know for sure how we got were we are today, but the theories of Darwin, they just can not be correct.
Mdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4119 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3461 times:
First off, I think everyone should get this: Evolution does NOT, I repeat... DOES NOT give an explanation for the creation of LIFE. Forget the title of Darwin's book, it has been miscontrued. Also, evolution does NOT say that humans are descended from monkeys.
As for myself, having gone through a University major that included many classes in evolution mechanisms, I can't see how it is false. There are just so many examples out there which point to evolution and Natural Selection occuring all the time. We know that it happens on the microbal level, and it sure as hell happens on the species level.
If anyone wants to discuss this calmly, I can go into details.
EDIT: Those who say that it is a "theory" need to know that Relativity and the concept of Gravity are still "theories.
[Edited 2005-04-20 23:07:17]
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
A319114 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 541 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3450 times:
Though the theory is true for the most part, there are some gaps in it. For example, how did birds evolve from land creatures to flying creatures? It wasn't like a dino all of the sudden got feather and big fat wings and flew away. It must have went very slow, each generation having more bird like properties. However, some of these 'intermediate' birds must have had significantly problems with their half grown wings, not being able to move very well. However, they didn't get hunt or starved to death not being able to find food in a efficient way, and that's a bit strange. It contradicts with 'the survival of the fittest'. There are more examples like this.
In other words, though I believe the evolution theory is correct in most cases, it doesn't explain everything.
Also, keep in mind that nearly every theory is constantly evolving (the irony ), and not a single theory is totally, 100%, right (that's exactly why they're called theories). Same thing goes for chemistry and physics theories. They are a workable model which explains almost everything, and keep changing.
Destruction leads to a very rough road but it also breeds creation
Leviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3447 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 15): It's perposterous to think that 1 man, then one woman just mysteriously appeared and the whole world was begat..
Dude, just because you disagree with the evolution theory does not mean that you fully accept the story of Adam and Eve, in my eyes that is crap too. There must be a third and more resoable solution to the issue.
PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1966 posts, RR: 25 Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3438 times:
Let's face it here. There's basically two camps... those that believe in evolution, and those that believe in creation. Evolution is a scientific theory. Creation is a religious church teaching. So, since the Church has admitted being wrong about the Earth being flat and the Earth being at the center of the Universe, How many centuries will it take before the Church owns up to their mistake on creation and embrace evolution?
N229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1884 posts, RR: 34 Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3430 times:
Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 14): Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):
Anyone who doesn't believe it either hasn't read it, or has limited background in science.
It is still a "theory". Nothing has changed yet [about it, of course].
TACAA (and Leviticus), you have just proven 777236ER's point. Only a limited background in science allows people to claim that a "THEORY" means it has not been upheld by the evidence. As my earlier post explains, gravity is also a "theory."
You are welcome to not believe it. But the way you articulate this belief does indeed show a limited background in science. This is what I mean about how science needs to be taught better...