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Opinions Of Bill Frist?  
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7611755/

Frankly, since the whole Terri Schiavo case, the man has been going deeper and deeper off the edge. His attacks on Democrats as "people against faith" are upsetting. I fear he will be the next Tom Delay, and I hope to God that he does not become our president.

To me he represents a Republican Party drunk with their own power. Attempting to subvert old congressional rules and constantly pandering to their religious base, I am afraid at how much he, and others like him are attempting to blur the line between religion and politics.

So what do other people think of him?


"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
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User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
Frankly, since the whole Terri Schiavo case, the man has been going deeper and deeper off the edge. His attacks on Democrats as "people against faith" are upsetting. I fear he will be the next Tom Delay, and I hope to God that he does not become our president.

To me he represents a Republican Party drunk with their own power. Attempting to subvert old congressional rules and constantly pandering to their religious base, I am afraid at how much he, and others like him are attempting to blur the line between religion and politics.

So what do other people think of him?

Overall, I think he is a good guy. Sure, he said some stupis stuff, but doesn't everyone? I don't think he will become the president, because he lacks charisma.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

In one word: Jackass.

User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
In one word: Jackass.

And for what conservative would you not say that? Wink


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

Quoting BRAVO7E7 (Reply 3):
And for what conservative would you not say that?

ANYONE of them that doesn't shove the bible and morality down your throat at every turn, while forgetting that they are the most un-ethical pieces of $hit on the planet (Democrats too).


User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):
ANYONE of them that doesn't shove the bible and morality down your throat at every turn, while forgetting that they are the most un-ethical pieces of $hit on the planet (Democrats too).

Maybe I was not clear enough. If you notice the quote of Falcon which I was replying to, you should clearly be able to infer that the question is directed to him.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

Quoting BRAVO7E7 (Reply 5):
Maybe I was not clear enough. If you notice the quote of Falcon which I was replying to, you should clearly be able to infer that the question is directed to him.

Sooooo let me get this straight.......you post a question personally directed at another user (vaguely, and publicly in the forum) and you have a problem with someone offering their opinion because of what??! I thought this forum was all about opinions or did I miss something?


User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 6):

Sooooo let me get this straight.......you post a question personally directed at another user (vaguely, and publicly in the forum) and you have a problem with someone offering their opinion because of what??! I thought this forum was all about opinions or did I miss something?

Of course this forum is about opinions. And as you can see, you may state your opinion. The original poster asked a question, which you decided not to answer, instead take a smal at the conservatives.

You did not even answer my question anyway. Instead of naming one, you decided to stereotype conservatives. Usually when a question is asked as a result of a quote of another user, it is directed to him/her.

When I said "for what conservative would you not say that", you never said "that", so it can't be directed to you.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1224 times:
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My thoughts on Bill Frist.

He is a very accomplished surgeon, well known for his international charity and pro bono work in the third world, who moved into the Senate after doing his due diligence politically, and taking the seat from a well intrenched incumbent Democrat and moving up in the ranks to the point where he was the organizing force behind the Senate coming back to the Republicans.

He has displayed some less than astute parliamentary moves, but he has also been faced with some unprecedented attention and moves by the Democrats who are able to direct some unpleasing attention towards him based on his personal beliefs and feelings about life.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

Quoting BRAVO7E7 (Reply 1):
Sure, he said some stupis stuff, but doesn't everyone?

Yeah... we all have our moments. And I sincerly hope when Frist stated he was opposed to the Constitutional division of powers between the legislature and judiciary was one of them  Yeah sure

Montesquieu is probably spinning in his grave so fast we can fix this here energy crisis by hooking him up to a turbine generator.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):

To me he represents a Republican Party drunk with their own power.

That's exactly how I would describe him. I'm so sick of the GOP exploiting my religion in attempt to further their political goals. It's disgusting.

Then, you point at the Constitution and say: "you guys are going a little bit too far with the whole religion shtick for elected leaders," and they claim religion is being "attacked." Give me a break: it's us Joe Blow just want to live our lives-types who are being attacked, and by asking the Bill Frist's of the world to stop, they take that credible request and distort it into a sound bit.

*Sigh*


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1220 times:

Quoting BRAVO7E7 (Reply 7):
which you decided not to answer, instead take a smal at the conservatives.

Ask me about computers and some politicians I know something about and I'll give you a direct and intelligent (seeming) answer. Other then being a Republican/Democrat which in my mind qualifies him as a scumbag from the word go, I do not have enough information to pass on a through judgment.

Quoting BRAVO7E7 (Reply 7):
you decided to stereotype conservatives.

umm I said Democrats too!!

I'm convinced beyond a reasonable doubt both parties SUCK!! They both have hypocritical platforms in my eyes and they all take money like whores.


User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
I'm convinced beyond a reasonable doubt both parties SUCK!! They both have hypocritical platforms in my eyes and they all take money like whores.

Let me try to simplify this process. Who did you vote for in 2004? 2000? 1996? 1992?


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1211 times:

Quoting BRAVO7E7 (Reply 11):
Who did you vote for in 2004? 2000? 1996? 1992?

MORONS!! Sorry, but it is my explicit right to not divuldge who I vote for and, I choose to excersize it! Let's just say this, none of the people I ultimately voted for I was proud of. In the comming years I am going to become more active in trying to find an alternative candidate that doesn't make the country puke a 1/2 @ a time.


I think the biggest problem is seperating people from these two monoliths, and saying wait a minute; in my case: there is a party that won't take money from PACs/Big corps/big money and will make it illegal to get ANYTHING but campaign contributions (if not change to process to federally funded) and their salary ONLY; IE no golf trips to wherever; supports the death penalty and abortion; supports governement fiscal responsibility (but not absolute constitionalism); doesn't care what goes on in my (or anyone else's) bedroom as that has NOTHING to do with FEEDING my kids.

Or in someonelses case a party that doesn't allow for abortion or execution, etc etc...


User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4274 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1209 times:

My main concern about him is that, as a doctor, he said that he thinks AIDS might be spread by coughing or shaking hands. And he didn't say this 20 years ago or 10 years ago, he said this a week or two ago. Also, he has become much more fervently religious in the past few months in an attempt to court the evangelical Christian vote, which is fine, but he is taking it so far as to say that the decisions that he comes to in Congress are ordained by God. He seems to be going out of his way to make it easy for both Democratic and Republican opponents to attack him. There was an article a day or two ago in The Wall Street Journal about this very subject, I'll try to find it at home and transcribe it after work. I have respect for him as a doctor, but his conclusions on Terry Schiavo after reading media reports from 2000 miles away and having never examined her as well as his statement about AIDS have me questioning his use of his medical degree. He is also pretty much in the pocket of big-Pharma, of which many companies are under increasing fire recently for either selling drugs that the company possibly knew could kill people (Merck with Vioxx) or suing another drug company to prevent them from bringing a drug to the market that could have helped more than 3 million people in the US alone with various food, especially nut, allergies (Novartis and Genentech). So, pretty much, I view the majority of his statements and decisions with suspicion.

As an addendum, there are many people on both sides of the aisle whom I am concerned about, not just Dr. Frist and not just Republicans.

Texan



"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1206 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 13):
he said that he thinks AIDS might be spread by coughing or shaking hands. And he didn't say this 20 years ago or 10 years ago, he said this a week or two ago.

It boggles the mind!! Are you sure he didn't say that the casual cough or handshake can kill a person with AIDS? Can I have a citation?


User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1215 times:

Quoting BRAVO7E7 (Reply 11):
Let me try to simplify this process. Who did you vote for in 2004? 2000? 1996? 1992?

We ask the same question of you, Bravo.

Oh, wait. You didn't vote in ANY of those elections, did you.



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User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4274 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1196 times:

TedTAce, he said it on one of the talk shows, George Stephenopholis' if I remember correctly. I'll try to find a link.

Texan



"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1190 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 16):
I'll try to find a link.

Thank you  Smile


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1188 times:

Frankly, since the whole Terri Schiavo case, the man has been going deeper and deeper off the edge

Maybe because he is an accomplished physican and has dedicated his life to helping and giving aid to others he took the whole thing personal.

Americans have really gone off the deep end in the last few years. We think nothing of paying $4.50 for a small cup of coffee at Starbucks, but bitch about paying $2.00 a gal for gas, when the rest of the World has been paying far more. We will weep and cry and work until will die to help a sick wayward whale, but just say "screw it, let her die....that is what her husband 'SAID' she said years ago" We will go by the millions to see a movie about Christ, but the 'Hollywood elitist' do not even give it the chance to be nominated for an award. We go to war to help set others free from fear, murder, torture and tearinay and then bitch because at the 'snap' of our fingers all is not well in 2 short years, when it has taken us over 200 years to get things right and we are still making changes.

Americans have just became too soft and want things their way with the snap of their finger and are not willing to pay the price.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1182 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 18):

Maybe because he is an accomplished physican and has dedicated his life to helping and giving aid to others he took the whole thing personal.

Then if he were a true to his profession, he wouldn't be making medical judgements on a woman thousands of miles away without giving her a proper medical examination. End of point.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

Now that I have read the http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7611755/ article I'm convinced he's a total LOOSER.

Quoting Diamond (Reply 15):
We ask the same question of you, Bravo.

Oh, wait. You didn't vote in ANY of those elections, did you.

I think Diamond scared Bravo away.. Booo hoooo


User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

Quoting BRAVO7E7 (Reply 1):
Overall, I think he is a good guy

Sure. Anyone who kowtows to Bush & Co, just like you evidently do, must be a A Okay guy, right?

Quoting Diamond (Reply 15):
We ask the same question of you, Bravo.
Oh, wait. You didn't vote in ANY of those elections, did you.

LOL! Bravo Diamond!  Smile


User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1169 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
His attacks on Democrats as "people against faith" are upsetting.

Calling Democrats as "people against faith" was unfair and showed poor judgment. Having said that, it's also true that Democrats are exercising a wrong and immoral litmus test against Bush's nominees to the judiciary. In the view of Sen. Kennedy and his gang any pro-life candidate has no right to get a lifetime tenure as an appellation judge. That's stupid and make a lot of people mad.

Quoting Texan (Reply 13):
My main concern about him is that, as a doctor, he said that he thinks AIDS might be spread by coughing or shaking hands.

I'd love to see a link. I hardly believe that a MD would say something so wrong and offensive.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1159 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 14):
Quoting Texan (Reply 13):
he said that he thinks AIDS might be spread by coughing or shaking hands. And he didn't say this 20 years ago or 10 years ago, he said this a week or two ago.

It boggles the mind!! Are you sure he didn't say that the casual cough or handshake can kill a person with AIDS? Can I have a citation?

He went on national television a few months ago and supported a completely refuted report by a conservative agency saying you can get HIV from a casual cough, handshake or the tears of someone who is infected as well as condom use only being 70% effective (they are really 97% effective in all use and 99.99% effective if used correctly and consistantly). Frist came on in support and was flately refuted by Dr. Drew Pinsky, who is much more an expert in sexual health. Frist had to back track when asked about tears saying something to the effect of "well, it would take a lot of tears". He should have his medical license pulled for making such outrageous claims that can cause so many deaths.

Quoting Diamond (Reply 15):
Quoting BRAVO7E7 (Reply 11):
Let me try to simplify this process. Who did you vote for in 2004? 2000? 1996? 1992?

We ask the same question of you, Bravo.

Oh, wait. You didn't vote in ANY of those elections, did you.

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. Though I do think BravoCheney did vote in 2004

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 22):
. In the view of Sen. Kennedy and his gang any pro-life candidate has no right to get a lifetime tenure as an appellation judge

Their view is that anti-choice candidates are named as appelate judges in order to violate the constitutional protections as relates to right to privacy and control over one's body.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13043 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

Sadly, Sen. Frist, along with other 'right wing' Republicans and the reactions of 'left wing' Democrats, are causing a more polarized America. Both parties are moving the USA away from centerist, moderate and balanced positions, mainly to attract media attention, the small numbers of voters who are still independent or even vote and the huge amounts of money needed for elections.
Sometimes people should have stayed with what they know rather than going in directions or do things that they really should not have. Sen. Frist should have stayed with being a doctor and medical services executive.


25 TedTAce : (Meant in a supportive encouraging manner) Whooooo HOOO!!! Out of the park buddy!!!
26 PacificWestern : Frist should be the poster child favouring retroactive abortions.
27 N1120A : Except that the political left has done nothing buy cow toe to the right and not do anything to push across the policies of their constituency
28 Falcon84 : Those on here tell of his medical knowledge. Then tell me this: how can someone so versed in medicine, and who knows a patient cannot be properly diag
29 TedTAce : ummm how do you push your agenda when the majority will not let you?
30 Post contains links Texan : Senator Frist's comments on AIDS on ABC's This Week on December 5, 2004
31 TedTAce : His initial reaction to the question "Do you believe that tears and sweat can transmit HIV?" "I don't know" "success in Africa"?!?! With abstinence???
32 Falcon84 : In fairness, watching that piece, I don't hear Frist saying you can get HIV/AIDS through coughing or shaking hands. He didn't say that. He did say tha
33 Post contains images ANCFlyer : 1992: Senate: Stevens (R), F Murkowski (R); House: Young (R) 1996: Senate: Stevens (R), F Murkowski (R); House: Young (R) 2000: Senate: Stevens (R),
34 DL021 : There seems to be a good deal of hair pulling and teeth gnashing going on here. Senator Frist is not an extremist, especially when compared to some in
35 N1120A : Well, one, you envigorate your constituency and become the majority. Second, you use means that are set out to prevent the tyrany of the majority. Co
36 Post contains links SFOMEX : Update on Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist: "Bill Frist was telling conservatives on Sunday that judges deserve "respect, not retaliation," no matter
37 N1120A : And there he makes to completely contradictory statements.
38 DL021 : Not to hijack this thread into something besides Frist, but let me clear this up about HIV transmission. It can be transmitted through transfer of bo
39 N1120A : The amounts of bodily fluid needed and the concentrations in which they are needed, along with the fact that the fluid need be transfered directly me
40 Phxfly : I rather like him and Tom Delay. Between Terri Shiavo, Bush's very unpopular Social Security reform, Delay's ethics violations, and Frist's attempt t
41 MTChemNerd757 : don't get me started.... hypocrite is all i will say.
42 STLGph : Help Dr. Bill and I find my lost kitty! Beautiful white feline with open sores and a med tag. Approach with caution. If found, please contact Dr. Bill
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