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Bye Bye Victims Crime Fund  
User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 917 times:

"Now comes another blow for families. President Bush's proposed budget would eliminate the Victims Crime Fund -- more than a billion dollars that helps pay for counseling, medical bills, and advocates to walk families through the court system."

< http://komotv.com/stories/36467.htm>

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I thought the president was a compasionate conservitive. I thought that Bush had death row prisinors executed to one uphold the law and provide closure to the victims famlys. This is not the only program that helps those in pain and those unable to stand up for themselves he has cut and it wont be the last.

I have a great program........Lets cut out the use of Air Force 1 for personal use. Lets send George a bill each and everytime AF1 takes him back to Crawford for weekend of relaxation because that is a program I think needs cutting in these tight tough buget times here in the USA. Or better yet how about his war for OIL program.

Bush is such a good Christian....so much for the least that his Jesus spoke of.


Did You Ever Think Freedom Could Be this Bad
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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 912 times:

Quoting Rsmith6621a (Thread starter):
a compasionate conservitive

ROFLMAO!!!!


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 912 times:

Link didn't work here, Rsmith.

User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 906 times:

Here...........

http://komotv.com/stories/36467.htm



Did You Ever Think Freedom Could Be this Bad
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 904 times:

I'd like to see a national story on this, that confirms this, before I really comment. I haven't read about this anywhere else.

If it's true, then Bush is a two-faced hypocrite. If it isn't true, this outlet should be hung.  Smile


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 902 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
I'd like to see a national story on this, that confirms this, before I really comment. I haven't read about this anywhere else.

I agree, where's the national link? This wasn't on news in Alaska, and I didn't read it in the paper here, or in the NY Times.


User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 892 times:

Falcon......Here you go....How much more do you need.

http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102~8862~2830093,00.html

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-...iew/trib/newssummary/s_326118.html

http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/05/04/23/100loc_victims001.cfm



Did You Ever Think Freedom Could Be this Bad
User currently offlineAdam From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 873 times:

I believe KOMO tv is the ABC affiliate in seattle.

I will wait to hear it from the AP or Reuters, but if this is true, then shame on you bush.

http://www.fnfvcv.org/

Adam



[Edited 2005-04-24 06:50:18]


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User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 858 times:

"I believe KOMO tv is the ABC affiliate in seattle"

Adam You are correct.........I will tell you what your prize is at a later date.

Dont expect to hear anything from the National Media they dont want to ruin their place in bed with Bush,Rove and the company of the Neo-Cons..or did you forget they are the Whores for the White House....

What a real pitty when people cant believe the local affiliates.



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User currently offlineStowAway From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 640 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 842 times:

I always have to engage....

Quoting Rsmith6621a (Thread starter):
I have a great program........Lets cut out the use of Air Force 1 for personal use. Lets send George a bill each and everytime AF1 takes him back to Crawford for weekend of relaxation because that is a program I think needs cutting in these tight tough buget times here in the USA. Or better yet how about his war for OIL program.

President Bush was billed for the use of Air Force 1 during the campaign season. As for the visits to Crawford, that is considered an office and work is still done there. If you were President Randall, would you pay a butt load of money to transport you and your staff when you are working out of another office? Save the "He doesn't conduct business at the Ranch," bull hash. The President never gets a day off.

I won't even dive into the liberal pond of cess that is the war for oil argument you speak of.

All that said, if talk of that money being cut is true, President Bush is making a serious mistake. I say relocate a billion from the space program to this fund.



A monkey's ass always talks crap.
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 819 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
Bush is a two-faced hypocrite.

You need a national story other then he killed 150+ on death row and tried to saveTerri Schaivo, who WANTED to die??

Quoting StowAway (Reply 9):
I say relocate a billion from the space program to this fund.

What so he can have another Challenger/Columbia?


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5110 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 806 times:

Do you expect anything less from someone who puts the bible ahead of The Constitution?

And even then I think he reads the bible selectively.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 802 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 11):
And even then I think he reads the bible selectively.

One of the great misuses of the The Holy Bible is that you can through such selected reading-and there's no right the wacko religions right does VERY selective reading-you can make it justify almost anything you want, in the "name of God", of course. Bush is no different than these nuts in that regard.


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5396 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 787 times:

Hrm...far be it from me to defend Bush on this, but as an employee of the US Attorney's Office, let me explain that the Crime Victim's Fund doesn't solely get its funding from the US budget. Any time someone gets sentenced in US District Court or US Magistrate's Court, there's 3 monetary components that can get tacked onto the sentence, 1 of which is mandatory.

1) A mandatory special assessment fee of $100 (for District Court) or $25 (for Magistrate's Court). Mandatory is somewhat of a loose term as judges will sometimes waive it if it's deemed that the defendant will not be able to pay it (IE immigration cases where the defendant is due to be deported in short order). Part of the funds go back to the US Court system to help offset the costs of prosecution and other parts go to the Crime Victim's Fund

2) Restitution. If a defendan't actions caused monetary damages either to a federal agency (case in point, the worker at Bingo Nights at Fort Jackson who was pocketing money) or to a non-federal agency (any bank robbery or embezzlement, for instance), then the judge can and will order restitution in the amount of damages. Restitution goes straight to the institution that was damaged.

3) Fines. If there was no identifiable victmi in the crime you'll also see fines assessed to the defendant. All money from fines go to the Crime Victim's Fund and they can be hefty AND be interest bearing.

So it's possible that Bush wants to cut funding in the US budget and have it rely more heavily on money generated from criminal debts.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 781 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 13):
A mandatory special assessment fee of $100 (for District Court) or $25 (for Magistrate's Court).



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 13):
Restitution. If a defendant actions caused monetary damages



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 13):
Fines. If there was no identifiable victim in the crime you'll also see fines assessed to the defendant

Taking a shot at the policy, not you, All the above is all well and good, WHEN THE DEFENDANT has money!!! When the defendant is indigent none of the above does a DAMN thing for the victims!! Besides that you are talking at the Federal level... I'm sure that money he cut goes to the states as well!!!


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5396 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 762 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 14):
When the defendant is indigent none of the above does a DAMN thing for the victims!!

Then we have other methods of extracting our pound of flesh. Liens on their property, asset forfeiture, taking their tax refund, garnishing their wages, etc. Also, while imprisoned, they can pay through via the Inmate Responsibility Program, but at the wages they make, full payment of the debt sometimes just isn't feasible.

As for the state systems, can't comment since I'm not familiar with them.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 762 times:

Vermont has one of the better Crime Victim's Fund programs but had to recently revise it's as WalMart and other large retailers were using it to recover losses from bad checks. They now cap the maximum loss claim to about $10,000 and limits claims from large retailers and businesses. The loss claims can only be where there is a conviction for a crime, where there was no insurance coverage or to pay insuance deductions. For example, a small business owner can make a claim up to the limit and can be proven within reason if there was employee theft, didn't have insurance for such theft or the deductable for insurance they do have.
Most state programs are very limited and of course, the criminals usually don't have much money. One exception was a where a mob hit man whom ratted out mobster John Gotti got a miminal sentance in a deal (somethng not allowed today). Due to a NY State law preventing a criminal from profiting from a crime, spouses of some of his hit victims got monies this scum got from a book he wrote on his crimes. The total was someting over $100,000. In other words, crime cannot pay.


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