GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12972 posts, RR: 79 Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1364 times:
Don't know enough about him domestically, lot's of compromises?
Internationally, he grew after the Middle East Peace Process began at Camp David in 1993.
But was he good? Good entertainment that's for sure!
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39456 posts, RR: 76 Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1359 times:
He is one of America's greatest Presidents. I am proud to say that I voted for him in 1992 and 1996 in both primarys and general elections. I meet him as well as Hillary & Chelsea at a Democratic party fund raiser here in San Francisco about 3 years ago. Very fascinating people indeed.
I can't wait for the next President Clinton!
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1352 times:
Clinton was/is a good politician. That's as far as I will go. If someone asked me if I wanted another president like him, I would say 'no'. Here's why:
Clinton took crookedness and deception to a whole new level in Presidents. There was no shame. He lowered the bar for future politicians. That's why I'm so glad GW won. He can hopefully reverse that.
Clinton divided the country BADLY!!! We weren't Americans, but Liberals and Conservatives. Not good! I'm glad that crap is almost over.
Good Things Clinton Did:
He discredited militant feminism by getting NOW to back him over rape charges and sexual harassment, and proved what a hypocritical joke they are.
He gave us a Republican Congress
He set social healthcare back lightyears (Hillary did most of the work there)
He proved Reagan's trickle-down theory works
He kept Al Gore out of the Oval Office
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1337 times:
Bill Clinton will go down as an average president. Not way above average, not way below. Around where Ronald Reagan is, believe it or not.
Had he not had his personal vices that are so well-know, I think he would be rated a far above average president, simply because of his stewardship of the economy-which, yes, he must share some credit with the Republican Congresses that he did battle/made policy with. Those vices cannot be just ignored, but they cannot overshadow that he had a successful presidency despite all the obstacles that were put in his way.
If you could only Package Clinton's brilliant mind, with Carter's goodness, and Reagan's eternal American optimism, you'd have the perfect president.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1331 times:
JetService, I think in this case you have to give a LOT of credit to the GOP for dividing the country badly, and not just lop it all on Clinton's lap (no pun's, please!). It was the GOP who, from the SECOND he was elected-not from the second he was sworn in, but the second he was elected-who started this nonstop 8 year campaign of lies, smears, and innuendo against the Clinton's. Clinton just wasn't smart enough not to hand them extra ammo. It is the GOP who is constantly harping on the "Conservative" versus "Liberal" theme, not the other way around. All you have to do is listen to the daily drivel on talk radio to understand that.
That's not to say Clinton didn't have a hand in it-he certainly did, but to exonerate the other side for any political sins is to put blinders on. To this day, you can't turn on talk radio like Rush, and not hear at leat one or two mentions a week about Bill and Hillary. They hate the guy, but apparently life under George II isn't as exciting!
IMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6247 posts, RR: 36 Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1332 times:
Good President, sorry excuse for a man.
I did not vote for him based simply on the fact that if a man does not take the most sacred vow he could ever take, "I promise to forsake all others", seriously what kind of man is he?
SuperFly, I hope you mean Chelsea. If you mean Hillary, God help us all. This is a woman that put up with her husband getting laid by other women, can't decide what her last name is and is a true carpetbagger first class. The woman doesn't care about New York state, has never lived there (before she bought property to run for the Senate), and is just generally a coattail riding piece of ****.
Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
CPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4761 posts, RR: 25 Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1331 times:
Bill Clinton was the best President since Jimmy Carter. That's not saying much, but he was a big improvement over Ray-gun and Bush.
He is very intelligent and represented the US well in front of the world stage. However, he didn't have any major challenges (other than his personal troubles) in his eight years and the economy was a good friend to him.
If the US didn't have the term restriction, he'd probably be in for another eight years, no matter what the rad right here will say.
SSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1325 times:
Okay, here is what I'll say, he was a very good president, but he bought a bad image to the American govt. I would not vote for him ever. If he wasn't involved in the scandal, I would have voted for him again (if I could have voted )
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1309 times:
CPDC10-30, Jimmy Carter is a very good man, but he was NOT a very good president. Maybe it's because of the Hostage Crisis that turned him into a virtual recluse in the White House, but his presidency didn't exactly inspire confidence. Despite that, had he been able to resolve the Hostage situation before the election, he would have won a 2nd term, and we never would have had to put up with the childish one-liners of Mr. Reagan.
Pilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1301 times:
Before you go blasting the GOP for hurting Clinton remember that the overwhelming majority of Americans voted for the Republican party in 1994. How else were they able to take over the House and Senate? Military coup?
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39456 posts, RR: 76 Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1295 times:
Less than 40% of all registered voters voted in the 1994 election cycle. The republicans that did win were in very tight races.
I agree with you but I think the hostage crisis was solved by Carter. There were some American hostages that were freed immediatly in 1979 during the revolution in Iran. Ray-gun and company delayed the release in favor of weapons. Isn't that what Iran Contra was all about?
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 49 Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1297 times:
Isn't it interesting how the Dems blast Bush and Co. for doing what any respectable American would do-namely buy influence?
Bush seems to be in bed with the likes of the NRA and the Oil/Energy companies. Lots of money changed hands in exchange for favors.
Clinton and Gore did what any respectable American would do-namely buy influence.
Only instead of the NRA and the Oil companies, Clinton and Gore sold out to the likes of Hollywood, Chinese Buddhist temples, the ACLU, and various environmental venues. Lots of money changed hands in exchange for favors.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1271 times:
Actually, Pilot1113, many people believe they tried a kind of coup-it was the impeachment. An impeachment over something that most Americans, with the exception of the right-wing Clinton-haters thought was absolutely unnecessary. It has less to do with "high crimes and misdemeanors" than it did with the GOP's hatred of Bill Clinton, and their desire to bring him down any way they could. His only problem was that he was stupid enough to hand them some ammunition.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29521 posts, RR: 59 Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1272 times:
The impeachment of young billy a coup???
That is funny....I am going to be chuckling about that all day...Thank you.
It ranks right up there with the preson who described Teddy as a "Competent Senator". He should have been prosecuted for manslaugher years ago. Getting that poor girl drowned...That is a horrible way to die.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1270 times:
Yeah, and the GOP is FULL of great people, like Jesse Helms, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr and Tom Delay-they're real great Americans, too, with their hatreds of so many peoples and things. Those three make Teddy look like a saint.
You've been listening to the GOP propoganda way too long in your young life, L-188. Are you a big fan of that propoganda machine, Rush Limbaugh?
25 Alpha 1: L-188, you can do your smart-ass laugh all you want. The fact that that's all you could do tells me that you don't have any original thought on the su
26 L-188: Actually I haven't heard a Rush show in about 5 years. So I doubt I count as a Rush deciple. Actually I am more of an Art Bell listener..... You are c
27 Alpha 1: If you really feel that way, and I will give you the benefit of the doubt, then at least have the decency to spell his name right. That isn't too much
28 Cfalk: Hi Alpha, The high crimes and misdemeaners was not getting a blowjob in the oval office. It was about lying. The people who pushed for impeachment kne
29 Cfalk: Oh yeah, I nearly forgot. Whitewater was an issue where he scraped by as well. People went to jail to protect Clinton (he later pardoned them). There
30 L-188: The only reason Milo got his name spelled right is that I had to look up somebody else's post to get the name right. Sorry about the K thing but clint
31 Alpha 1: Bill Clinton lied to "cover up" a personal disgression. Richard Nixon lied to cover up an actual crime committed on behalf of his presidency. Nixon go
32 Cfalk: But that was $75,000 that he should not have made, right?
33 Alpha 1: L-188, the only reason he "earned that one" in your book is you hold on to petty hatreds too long. He's gone, let it go, for goodness sake!
34 Alpha 1: Cfalk, so becasue he's wasn't astute on that transaction, and should have MADE $75,000, we're going to hound him for 8 years and spend $50 million loo
35 L-188: No.....It is because I have seen firsthand the SHIT people do to their families when they screw around. My disrespect for people that do that is prett
36 Alpha 1: Ah, and because of that, you'll hold your petty hatred against someone you've never met forever, right? It's in the past, man. Get beyond it, already.
37 L-188: I never said I hated them...I just lose a hell of a lot of respect for them.
38 Alpha 1: Your invective against him comes off as hatred of the man. I couldn't stand Ronald Reagan or Richard Nixon-I think they were terrible presidents. That