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Was Bill Clinton A Good President?  
User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

Was he?

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User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

Go ahead and share you views as to whether he was a good or bad President for the US.

Any comments are welcome!


User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 1462 times:

Seperate the obvious from the other obvious, he was pretty good. For the under-oath lie, he should have had a huge fine or jailterm after his presidency rather than impeachment.

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13170 posts, RR: 77
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

Don't know enough about him domestically, lot's of compromises?
Internationally, he grew after the Middle East Peace Process began at Camp David in 1993.
But was he good? Good entertainment that's for sure!


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39709 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

He is one of America's greatest Presidents. I am proud to say that I voted for him in 1992 and 1996 in both primarys and general elections. I meet him as well as Hillary & Chelsea at a Democratic party fund raiser here in San Francisco about 3 years ago. Very fascinating people indeed.
I can't wait for the next President Clinton!  Big thumbs up



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

You actually have to ask that question?

User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

Clinton was/is a good politician. That's as far as I will go. If someone asked me if I wanted another president like him, I would say 'no'. Here's why:

Clinton took crookedness and deception to a whole new level in Presidents. There was no shame. He lowered the bar for future politicians. That's why I'm so glad GW won. He can hopefully reverse that.

Clinton divided the country BADLY!!! We weren't Americans, but Liberals and Conservatives. Not good! I'm glad that crap is almost over.

Good Things Clinton Did:
He discredited militant feminism by getting NOW to back him over rape charges and sexual harassment, and proved what a hypocritical joke they are.
He gave us a Republican Congress
He set social healthcare back lightyears (Hillary did most of the work there)
He proved Reagan's trickle-down theory works
He kept Al Gore out of the Oval Office



"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

Ok thanks for your replies!

N400QX, what was wrong with the question?


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

Bill Clinton will go down as an average president. Not way above average, not way below. Around where Ronald Reagan is, believe it or not.  Smile

Had he not had his personal vices that are so well-know, I think he would be rated a far above average president, simply because of his stewardship of the economy-which, yes, he must share some credit with the Republican Congresses that he did battle/made policy with. Those vices cannot be just ignored, but they cannot overshadow that he had a successful presidency despite all the obstacles that were put in his way.

If you could only Package Clinton's brilliant mind, with Carter's goodness, and Reagan's eternal American optimism, you'd have the perfect president.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

JetService, I think in this case you have to give a LOT of credit to the GOP for dividing the country badly, and not just lop it all on Clinton's lap (no pun's, please!). It was the GOP who, from the SECOND he was elected-not from the second he was sworn in, but the second he was elected-who started this nonstop 8 year campaign of lies, smears, and innuendo against the Clinton's. Clinton just wasn't smart enough not to hand them extra ammo. It is the GOP who is constantly harping on the "Conservative" versus "Liberal" theme, not the other way around. All you have to do is listen to the daily drivel on talk radio to understand that.

That's not to say Clinton didn't have a hand in it-he certainly did, but to exonerate the other side for any political sins is to put blinders on. To this day, you can't turn on talk radio like Rush, and not hear at leat one or two mentions a week about Bill and Hillary. They hate the guy, but apparently life under George II isn't as exciting!  Smile


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6280 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Good President, sorry excuse for a man.
I did not vote for him based simply on the fact that if a man does not take the most sacred vow he could ever take, "I promise to forsake all others", seriously what kind of man is he?
SuperFly, I hope you mean Chelsea. If you mean Hillary, God help us all. This is a woman that put up with her husband getting laid by other women, can't decide what her last name is and is a true carpetbagger first class. The woman doesn't care about New York state, has never lived there (before she bought property to run for the Senate), and is just generally a coattail riding piece of ****.



Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4780 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Bill Clinton was the best President since Jimmy Carter. That's not saying much, but he was a big improvement over Ray-gun and Bush.

He is very intelligent and represented the US well in front of the world stage. However, he didn't have any major challenges (other than his personal troubles) in his eight years and the economy was a good friend to him.

If the US didn't have the term restriction, he'd probably be in for another eight years, no matter what the rad right here will say.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39709 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

CPDC10-30:
I agree 100%. That's exactly what I said in the 'Fav. US Prez' thread.

Happy belated Canada Day!  Big thumbs up
I am drinking a Molson right now in honor of Canada Day and our 4th of July tomorrow.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

Okay, here is what I'll say, he was a very good president, but he bought a bad image to the American govt. I would not vote for him ever. If he wasn't involved in the scandal, I would have voted for him again (if I could have voted  Laugh out loud )

User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4780 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

Isn't it better when the beer doesn't taste like tap water with a bit of wood thrown in?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I'm glad you're enjoying the real stuff.

Thanks for the wishes of a happy Canada day...I hope you folks enjoy your day tommorow. But Nicolaki and I are proud to count you and LH423 as honourary Canadians  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39709 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

Actually I have been named honourary Canadian by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of RUSH when I met them about 10 years ago. I also have friends in Vancouver, London and Toronto.

But thanks CPDC10-30!  Big thumbs up

"Take off, to the Great White North!" Big grin



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

CPDC10-30, Jimmy Carter is a very good man, but he was NOT a very good president. Maybe it's because of the Hostage Crisis that turned him into a virtual recluse in the White House, but his presidency didn't exactly inspire confidence. Despite that, had he been able to resolve the Hostage situation before the election, he would have won a 2nd term, and we never would have had to put up with the childish one-liners of Mr. Reagan.

User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

Before you go blasting the GOP for hurting Clinton remember that the overwhelming majority of Americans voted for the Republican party in 1994. How else were they able to take over the House and Senate? Military coup?

- Neil Harrison


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39709 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

Correction Pilot1113:
Less than 40% of all registered voters voted in the 1994 election cycle. The republicans that did win were in very tight races.

Alpha1:
I agree with you but I think the hostage crisis was solved by Carter. There were some American hostages that were freed immediatly in 1979 during the revolution in Iran. Ray-gun and company delayed the release in favor of weapons. Isn't that what Iran Contra was all about?



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

Isn't it interesting how the Dems blast Bush and Co. for doing what any respectable American would do-namely buy influence?

Bush seems to be in bed with the likes of the NRA and the Oil/Energy companies. Lots of money changed hands in exchange for favors.

Clinton and Gore did what any respectable American would do-namely buy influence.

Only instead of the NRA and the Oil companies, Clinton and Gore sold out to the likes of Hollywood, Chinese Buddhist temples, the ACLU, and various environmental venues. Lots of money changed hands in exchange for favors.

Completely different, right?


User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1377 times:

>>Less than 40% of all registered voters voted in the
>>1994 election cycle. The republicans that did win
>>were in very tight races.

Less than 40% of all registered voters vote in any election. That happens every election.

I'm sorry, but I don't see your point here. Maybe *gasp* we agree that the Republicans were (dare I say it?) elected.  Big grin

If you don't like how the country is being run just vote for someone else. You may not always get what you want, but that's life.

I don't want Ted Kennedy to be a Senator, and I vote against him every election, but that doesn't mean it will happen.

- Neil Harrsion


User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (13 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

Thank God for Hollywood, Chinese Buddhist temples, the ACLU, and various environmental venues.

Ted Kennedy is one of the most brilliant and competent US Senators.
Pilot1113, you should be proud to have Ted Kennedy as your Senator.  Smile



Hooray for Hollywood!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Actually, Pilot1113, many people believe they tried a kind of coup-it was the impeachment. An impeachment over something that most Americans, with the exception of the right-wing Clinton-haters thought was absolutely unnecessary. It has less to do with "high crimes and misdemeanors" than it did with the GOP's hatred of Bill Clinton, and their desire to bring him down any way they could. His only problem was that he was stupid enough to hand them some ammunition.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (13 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

The impeachment of young billy a coup???

HAHAHA Laugh out loud Laugh out loud Laugh out loud Laugh out loud Laugh out loud Laugh out loud Laugh out loud Laugh out loud Laugh out loud Laugh out loud

That is funny....I am going to be chuckling about that all day...Thank you.

It ranks right up there with the preson who described Teddy as a "Competent Senator". He should have been prosecuted for manslaugher years ago. Getting that poor girl drowned...That is a horrible way to die.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Yeah, and the GOP is FULL of great people, like Jesse Helms, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr and Tom Delay-they're real great Americans, too, with their hatreds of so many peoples and things. Those three make Teddy look like a saint.

You've been listening to the GOP propoganda way too long in your young life, L-188. Are you a big fan of that propoganda machine, Rush Limbaugh?  Smile


25 Alpha 1 : L-188, you can do your smart-ass laugh all you want. The fact that that's all you could do tells me that you don't have any original thought on the su
26 L-188 : Actually I haven't heard a Rush show in about 5 years. So I doubt I count as a Rush deciple. Actually I am more of an Art Bell listener..... You are c
27 Alpha 1 : If you really feel that way, and I will give you the benefit of the doubt, then at least have the decency to spell his name right. That isn't too much
28 Cfalk : Hi Alpha, The high crimes and misdemeaners was not getting a blowjob in the oval office. It was about lying. The people who pushed for impeachment kne
29 Cfalk : Oh yeah, I nearly forgot. Whitewater was an issue where he scraped by as well. People went to jail to protect Clinton (he later pardoned them). There
30 L-188 : The only reason Milo got his name spelled right is that I had to look up somebody else's post to get the name right. Sorry about the K thing but clint
31 Alpha 1 : Bill Clinton lied to "cover up" a personal disgression. Richard Nixon lied to cover up an actual crime committed on behalf of his presidency. Nixon go
32 Cfalk : But that was $75,000 that he should not have made, right?
33 Alpha 1 : L-188, the only reason he "earned that one" in your book is you hold on to petty hatreds too long. He's gone, let it go, for goodness sake!
34 Alpha 1 : Cfalk, so becasue he's wasn't astute on that transaction, and should have MADE $75,000, we're going to hound him for 8 years and spend $50 million loo
35 L-188 : No.....It is because I have seen firsthand the SHIT people do to their families when they screw around. My disrespect for people that do that is prett
36 Alpha 1 : Ah, and because of that, you'll hold your petty hatred against someone you've never met forever, right? It's in the past, man. Get beyond it, already.
37 L-188 : I never said I hated them...I just lose a hell of a lot of respect for them.
38 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Your invective against him comes off as hatred of the man. I couldn't stand Ronald Reagan or Richard Nixon-I think they were terrible presidents. That
39 JAL : He was OK.
40 Blink182 : I don't think he was the best president, but he was definately one of the better ones. If you think about it, he didn't have to deal with anything hug
41 LOT767-300ER : I think he was awfull even though i know all these crazy libs are going to jump on my back! I don't care! He was a horrible moral leader! A president
42 Ben88 : Hey Matt D. i'd rather have a president controlled by actors and monks, rather than oil companies and gun toting maniacs. Just my opinion.....
43 Western727 : Hell No!!!
44 Flight152 : LOT767-300ER- What makes me wonder is why you base you entire oppinion of Bill Clinton on one thing that he did. He was president for 8 YEARS! You cou
45 Alpha 1 : LOT, American's aren't "Ruled". Maybe they're "ruled" in Poland, since democracy, aside from Britian and France, doesn't have much of a history. As fo
46 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Flight 152, LOT and his ilk were bashing Clinton BEFORE he ever took the oath the first time, so why should they change their drivel now. The love to
47 GDB : Why was this rule brought in restricting presidents to two terms? I understand it only dates back about 50 years. If it wasn't in place, and if you be
48 Post contains images Alpha 1 : GDB, it was put into effect in the 50's by the Republicans as a way to keep someone like Franklin Roosevelt from embarrassing them election after elec
49 JetService : Alpha, you are so obsessed with Clinton's personal life, that you are totally blind to the real issues of the impeachment. Get over the sex thing and
50 Post contains images Alpha 1 : I think, JetService, you need to direct that editorial to conservatives like N400QX, LOT and the like. They are the ones obsessed with the man, not I.
51 Post contains images Roadrunner165 : HE WAS THE WORST F****** PRESIDENT WE HAVE EVER HAD!! HE LIED UNDER OTHE AND GOT AWAY WITH IT. HE FUCK MONICA AND GOT AWAY WITH IT. The only good thin
52 Pilot1113 : I have to agree that impeaching Clinton was the worst thing the Republicans could have done. It accomplished nothing and made the right side look bad.
53 Post contains images Superfly : GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES We will need your blessings over the next 3 1/2 years until we get a real man or woman in the White House! Bill Clinton's
54 Alpha 1 : Roadrunner, spoken like a truly educated conservative, I must say. Guess what? Most every president lies in office. That's not meant to be a cop-out,
55 JetService : Alpha, count your posts in this thread. You are obsessed, my brother!!! Forget about what we say. Forget about our opinion. You will NEVER change our
56 Western727 : You know that comic book store guy on the Simpsons with the pony tail and a large belly.... Picture him... WORST PRESIDENT EVER! I never voted for him
57 Post contains images Matt D :
58 Post contains images Matt D :
59 GKirk : Bring back Bill, he was much more comedy than G Dubya, although seeing his kid girls getting done for drinking, is also pretty comedy.
60 Matt D : Does anyone really believe that Chelsea is the sweet little angel the Clintons would have us believe? A college aged girl, choosing to attend the furt
61 Boeing747-400 : LOL Matt D!
62 Alpha 1 : That's right, Matt, when the attacks against the parents fail, go for their child. Very manly of you. Just the kind of cheap shot a conservative would
63 Alpha 1 : This thread is ABOUT Bill Clinton. It's about politics, and about history-two subjects I have an interest in. I don't know how you can say ANYONE is o
64 JetService : Alpha 1, its OK to like Clinton. I think I am more concerned with you obsession with how other people feel about Clinton. If you can get away, meet at
65 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Well, unfortunately, I don't drink! But thanks for the offer!
66 Matt D : So what are your thoughts on Hillary being the blatant carpetbagger that she was?
67 Tupolev154B2 : Matt D, too bad she had to choose NYS to run in and she had to win. Oh well, in a democracy by definition the majority rules and if the majority of Ne
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