Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47 Posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4569 times:
I saw this full page ad in the middle of todays USA Today newspaper.
And it got me to thinking. This group, http://www.walmartwatch.com definitely has a point, namely the hypocrisy surrounding Wal Marts "Bring It Home To The USA" campaign. Meanwhile, some 70% of the merchandise sold in Wal Mart IS, indeed, Made In China. I have even remarked that if you took everything that was made in China out of Wal-Mart, the remaining products could fit inside a standard 7-11 store.
Please note that I am neither praising nor condemming Wal-Mart. I am fully aware of the good they have done as far as bringing down prices on just about every kind of consumer product imaginable. You can never not find something that you'd like there. Not to mention that they DO employ as many people as they do who might otherwise turn to Taxpayer aid and/or crime to support themselves. Low wages notwithstanding. And of course, say what you want about them. The fact is that where a Wal-Mart goes up, the shoppers will flock to in hordes. And the vast majority of Americans are too busy or too cynical to give a damn about a products country of origin.
Of course, there is a counterargument: that Wal-Mart is a huge pain-in-the ass to deal with if you are a vendor. Then there's of course this whole Made In China thing, and the argument (which at least, on the surface) would suggest that what we are paying for in terms of selection and price today is going to cost us very dearly at some point in the future as a result of so much outsourcing that Wal-Mart is allegedly causing, soon Wal-Mart themselves will go bust. This will simply be because that so many jobs have been displaced and costs will have gotten so low that no one will even be able TO shop there. Because they have no job and no money.
So have at it. I am only bringing this website and story to your attention. I'm not really taking sides one way or the other because both arguments do have some merit.
So have at it. Meanwhile, this post for me is a hit-and-run.
TPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4562 times:
WalMart is outgrowing itself, evidenced by the fact that the stock has levleed off after so many gains. Their prices have gotten so low, as they have kept beating the competition, that their margins are very low. They tried to raise their prices during Chistmas time last year, and their sales dropped.
That and I hate WalMart. They are a colossal pain in the ass...period. They displace land for no good reason, having 3 stores within 10 miles of each other. They own the most empty real-estate in the US. Eventally this will catch up to them, and might already be.
Airlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4554 times:
If any of you happen to venture into a Wal Mart at anytime, you will notice, the only things made in America are some of the analgesic and some of the shampoos, gels, etc. Look at the equate brand, much of that is made in America.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4535 times:
I don't believe that ANY amount of size or money is a guarantee of protection from collapse. If enough things go wrong, and enough people stop buying from you, then there is little choice but to go under or dramatically downsize.
At one time, EVERYONE thought that Pan Am, TWA, Eastern, Valujet, PEOPLExpress, GM, and even Sears Roebuck were all powerhouses that were all mighty and invincible. All of the airlines are now history. GM is running in circles to try and save itself. And the legendary Sears was bought out by K-Mart of all things. United was once high and mighty and has now been pretty well humbled, now flying with its tail between its legs, so to speak.
So while I'm not saying that the demise of Wal-Mart is inevitable, I'm simply saying that size, a static business plan, and past success are not gurantees of future success.
GuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2042 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4514 times:
70%?? Where'd this figure come from... let's walk thru a Wal-Mart, shall we??
Humm.. produce department. China? Zero%
Grocery Department, probably a few Chinese items there, but still under 1%
Deli, Bakery? None there...
Humm.. Health and Beauty Aids and Pharmacy.. not any more than the rest...
Lets walk over to the Garden Center... Whats this? Scotts? Murray? Local Grown Plants??? Not much China here....
Wow.. where to next... Tools?? Stanley? Black and Decker?? Yea, two great Chinese brands there.... Whoa?? GE??? Humm....
Now, lets travel to electronics... HP, RCA, Magnavox... wow... lot's of China there...
Venture where next... Home office!!! Yea, Pentel, Bic, Avery... big China names there...
Wow... this is too easy... Books, Magazines, Candy.. yep, all made in China, NOT!!!
Ok, while I'll give you a lot of their Toys are made in China, they are the same toys being sold at Toys-R-Us.....
What's this big department?? Oh, Automotive.. Let's see, Good Year, Michelin, Fram, STP, Penzoil, Texaco, Mobile, Wow.. don't see these anywhere else.. must be because Wal*Mart only sells items from China.
What's that leave.. Clothes... yes, probably the ONE area where you can find a good bit of China made items... but they do sell others... 70% from China?? I doubt it..
What you complete deer-in-the-headlight people here are missing is the fact that this stupid Wal*Mart watch is nothing more than the Union. Shoot, the president of this idiot group is Andrew Stern, from the Service Employees International Union.
The Unions plan is to Unionize Wal*Mart, the biggest company in the world. If they can't, and so far they haven't because Wal*Mart is actually a decent company to work for, they try to destroy it. This comes straight from the Union Handbook. What makes me so mad is that smart people, including a lot of you here, instead of using your mind and looking at what a Wal*Mart actually carries, you people are shamelessly repeating this dribble without knowing the facts... Yes, I said it.. to the thread starter.. you repeated these lies because you either don't know the truth or you want to spread Union Lies...
Think about it... take 15 minutes and walk thru a Wal*Mart and look at all the USA brands and come to the conclusion, in your mind, after seeing the products, do you really think you are dumb enough to believe such propaganda just so the Union Fat Cats can collection union dues from hundreds of thousands of employees who are not even "supposed" to be able to afford health care????
Do some investigating yourself. Wal*Mart watch is nothing more than a front for the Union.
JCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4491 times:
I don't think buying from China is necessarily a bad thing, however, what Wal-Mart has done is buy inferior products from China. Wal-Mart is simply killing itself through it's absolute lowest bid negotiation tactics. If you know someone who has had to sell to Wal-Mart in Bentonville, they'll tell you it's perhaps one of the most painful negotiations they've ever been through. Wal-Mart continually shuns companies that make a superior product with a slightly higher unit price in order to have sub-par items at bargain basement prices. Basically, WalMart has turned itself into a giant Big Lots. That is where someone like Target comes into play. Although Target tends to be a bit more expensive than Walmart, the products are of substantially higher quality. Really, Wal-Mart is on the downslope of it's existance if it does not alter the way its stores are run and it's buying practices. Stores like Target are the future.
And, by the way, Walmart should have a right to not allow unions within its stores.
ShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4479 times:
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 10): Wal-Mart continually shuns companies that make a superior product with a slightly higher unit price in order to have sub-par items at bargain basement prices.
That's the "Every Day Low Prices" in action. To add to what you posted, every year or so, Wal-Mart goes to its current suppliers and "tries" to negotiate lower prices on the products already in the stores. The supplier has two choices: lower the price they charge Wal-Mart, or never be able to sell any product in Wal-Mart stores ever again. Many suppliers can't afford to have "the gods in Bentonville" angry with them.
UAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4470 times:
Wal-Mart is great, and I do shop there for certain things, like paper towels, groceries, toiletries, etc. Not much else, aside for home office supplies. But, I ABSOLUTELY HATE going there. I've seen some of the most obese, greasy, gross people ever at that place. I was looking at woman in there the other day, and I kept thinking to myself, how the hell does your hair get that oily?!
Anyway, it serves its purpose, and hell, I shop there. It's pretty much a love/hate relationship.
Sunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4461 times:
We have a Wal-Mart Super Store near by. We love it because it has a large grocery store. Since it opened we have only been to CUB Foods (Super Valu) twice. Why Do I shop Wal-Mart? Because I have a large family, 7 people with 5 kids. I need to save money.
Lets look at a 1 ½ pound loaf of bread store brand…..Cub $1.15
Gallon of 1% milk store brand Cub Twin pack $4.99
Wal-Mart $ 2.82 single
I could go on and on but I shop were I can save, even If I can go to Sam’s Club too.
GuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2042 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4460 times:
Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 9): I have a Philips DVD/VCR combo and a Philips 27" TV. Want to take a guess where they were made? How about where the owner's manuals where printed? Answer to both is China.
Ok, I'll give you that.. But PLEASE, explain how that differs from Circuit City, or Best Buy, or Target, from selling the exact same TV and not getting "dinged" for it. Why is it OK for these companies to sell the same items but not Wal*Mart? I'm waiting for the explanation.
GuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2042 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4450 times:
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 10): I don't think buying from China is necessarily a bad thing, however, what Wal-Mart has done is buy inferior products from China. Wal-Mart is simply killing itself through it's absolute lowest bid negotiation tactics.
Well, if Wal*Marts products are so "inferior," then the market will either make them sell better quality or they will close. The fact is, "most" of the stuff they sell is the exact same quality. Tires, Electronics, HBA, grocery, etc, etc, are the exact same things at cheaper prices... that's my point. This 70% made in China crap is utter BS....
Oh, and by the way.. let me continue...
AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT TO THIS DISCUSSION, SO PLEASE READ
I was in Nashville today working across I-40 at the arrival end of Runway 20R. I found an absolute perfect area for spotting For 20C, 20R (Rachel Drive)!!! But that's not the point. What is important is this:
At about 2:30 today after getting a drink and a break at the local gas station, I figured I'd go watch 20R traffic since I didn't have to be back to Lebanon TN for about 2 hours... What did I see there waiting to take off??? Yes, I finally spotted it (too bad I didn't have my Camera)....
What was it???? The Air China freight 747 lining up to take off. Besides the occasional AF1 747, the Air China freight 747 lands every night about 2-6 AM....so its a big thing for us. I've yet to see it land or take off... today it was taking off, and it was empty of course, and I could swear that thing took off in 3000 ft of runway.
Ok, here is my point... Why was it empty??? Because it brought, from China, a completely loaded (747, let me remind you) plane of computer parts to, let's see, what's that USA computer manufacturer is located on Murfreesboro Road right next to the Airport...
Its a big name.. very popular... slipping.. mind working slowly.. Probably all that food I bought at Wal*Mart that was grown in China.. wait, it's coming to me... yes, here it comes... slowly now........
Can you say....
Yes, That's it!!! DELL!!!! THE Computer KING of the USA brings in 6 days a week a completely loaded 747 from China full of parts to build their USA computers...
Hey?? Where is Dellwatch.com???
How come all you libs aren't yelling about that???
6*52=312 per year completely loaded 747's with Parts from China going into just one Dell Plant...
Let's hear it??? Dell buys from China!!! Boycott!!!
Their computers are crap... Inferior.... junk..... stupid greasy fat people buy Dells.. well, of course not... but can you see my point???
Where are all the anti-Wal*Mart-China protesters???? If you ask me probably behind their Dell's making more anti-China-Wal*Mart propaganda
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13039 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4426 times:
Marketing, distribution, management and changes in society have changed what were leading companies. I remember every decent sized town having a variety store like Kreskey's, Woolworths, Ben Franklin, Grants. Kresskey's became K-mart and ditched the 5&10's, moved to the outskirts of towns. Most of the other variety stores were replaed by expanded chain drug stores, expaned grocery stores, Family Dollar and the like. I remember regional discount stores with mostly imported goods like here in the New Jersey area including Bradless, Two Guys, EJ Korvetts, Caldor, Grants City, Jamesway, Woolco, Ames and others. All of them are gone as other regional chains came (and went), Walmart killed off their locations in larger towns, they couldn't get through economic downturns, real estate went up or couldn't keep costs down. Sears was originally a catalog retailer, to selling a wide variety of goods by mail delivery to allow people to be able to buy goods at prices often cheaper than their small town stores. They opened up catalog order stores, when then expanded to offer certain products. In the late 1920's-early 1930's, they opened stores in cities all across the country, then into the suburb malls in the 1950's through the 1970's. Now we see the merger of K-mart and Sears, with a new class of stores, Sears Essenials format stores with a merge of Sears and K-mart mercandise (Sears Hardware, Craftsman tools, Kenmore appliances and so on) including products that Wal mart will not or ever carry.
While I don't see Walmart collasping in the future, like the other companies noted above eventually Walmart will have to reach a saturation point, have to withdraw from some markets, or have to evolve into a different form. They could be badly hurt (as would all of us) if there were to be a major conflict with China (ie: trying to take over Taiwan), long term affects from future terror attacks, or as noted above, many suppliers just go out of business as they lose their primary buyer and eliminating many from the workforce. If it is convenient, and I am near a good Walmart, then I have no problem shopping there, assuming they really do have the cheapest true price.
Bezoar From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 807 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4415 times:
From what I have heard, an enormous amount of manufacturing has been moved to China, Mexico, and other countries by many US companies. Other companies are having to follow suit just to remain competitive. I have no idea where the end-point of that trend will lead, but I can't think it is healthy.
"There are none so blind as those who will not see."
Flight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3388 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4412 times:
Well, if Wal*Marts products are so "inferior," then the market will either make them sell better quality or they will close. The fact is, "most" of the stuff they sell is the exact same quality. Tires, Electronics, HBA, grocery, etc, etc, are the exact same things at cheaper prices... that's my point.
Not exactly. Take a long, hard look at the clothing, shoe, bedding, patio furniture departments and you WILL see a substantial increase in quality at Target, this is where products DO differ, and where quality does differ.
: That's my hypothesis. I will put it to the test in the very near future.
: And that equates to 70% of Wal*Marts sales??? Really?? 70% of Wal*Marts sales comes from Clothing, shoes, bedding, and patio furniture?? Really??
: So your testing. Ok. So let me get this straight: You bought a TV from Best Buy (or the like)and the same model from Wal*Mart. You will turn them on
: So what your saying is that the identical TV bought at Best Buy will last longer than if you bought it at Wal*Mart Wal Mart usually sells cheaper prod
: And that equates to 70% of Wal*Marts sales??? Really?? 70% of Wal*Marts sales comes from Clothing, shoes, bedding, and patio furniture?? Really?? Wher
: It's implied.. the thread is that 70% of Wal*Marts stock is inferior China Made stuff... since these are the only area's anyone brought up to being i
: It's implied No, it's ASSumed. the thread is that 70% of Wal*Marts stock is inferior China Made stuff My english skills tell me the thread title reads
: Ok, I see that you are saying that all of these things are mad in China, but none of them are Wal-Marts brand. Equate is Wal-Marts brand, not all this
: Forget your English skills, that's way over your head. Apparently your too dim to even be able to look at pictures... If you continue reading past the
: No, just pointing out the fact that stupid people here believe union propaganda. It's not that I'm defending Wal*Mart... I've used this example in th
: I don't need a large laboratory with guys in white lab coats and clipboards to see which TV or VCR holds up over time. Give me a break! I'll be sure
: Yeah, and Pan Am was the worlds biggest airline. Look where it got them. Bingo. They have killed some brands just by nickle and diming them to death.
: My math tells me that if you buy two gallons of milk at Walmart you will be paying $5.64. So you will save money buying the twin pack at $4.99
: Wow. I kinda think GuitrThree works for Wally-made-in-China-mart, anybody else with me here? Oh, by the way, that's what my family calls that dump. Ok
: Nope, I work for myself and I have NOTHING to do with Wal*Mart It's called competition. If they don't want to be hurting, find a way to do it better.
: "2) Aren't they in a law-suit right now for sexual discrimination???" The main sexual discrimination lawsuit is a joke; they've charged Walmart with s
: "The economics of it on small-town local economies. I live in a town of about 30,000 people. Wal-Mart (despite being voted against by the public) was
: Very true, but only for the 4-6 months someone is employed with them. Turnover rate is very high at WalMart. It's companies like WalMart that turn so
: People seem to think that they can have their cake and eat it too. It will catch up with them
: I would have to say that is one of the reasons I don't like the store too much. In a way to me, it's a false advertising. They aren't actually SAYING
: And because some knothead is bound to bring it up, I'm a Republican, for the record.
: Cub has two 1/2 gallon containers are packed together for $4.99. WalMart has a single one gallon container for $2.82. Mark
: I hate WalMart and would love to see them go under too. That said, I'm amused at how many people have expressed this view, and no one says "how can y
: Wal-Mart is much more nowadays than just an American supermarket chain...their earnings include offshoots in many other countries. And ours are also h
: Not only that, but I remember an article sometime last year about how the state of California spent $68 million in public assistance to Walmart emplo
: On a MICRO (ie, personal) basis, Wal-mart is good for Americans since the money you save you can spend on other things elsewhere in the economy. On th
: " every time you buy a Chinese good, are you funneling cash to a despotic Communist regime that aims to rule the world. " But it is through "funneling
: Because, like I've already said it 20 times here, it's the FREAKIN UNION pushing this BS. Ad's like the one in the threadstarter are so far from the
: Wal-Mart does offer benefits, however they aren't all that great. If you have kids, well then your screwed. But you do get a Associate Discount Card
: Yea, I guess you can go be someone's secretary, make $20K a year, but you'll be better off because you work Monday-Friday 8-5. Normal Work Week??? In
: Wal-Mart gets "dinged" over stuff that others might not because of how Wal-Mart portrays itself... We're a (albeit large and overgrown) mom-and-pop s