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Discrimination Is Discrimination, Right?  
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 764 times:

“Discounts for age 65 and over only”
“Ladies get in for free”
“Handicapped parking only”
“First Class passengers board first”

These are just a few examples of what is wrong with our society, and why we are still so far away from a truly “fair” culture. Let’s call a spade a spade folks. All of the above are, by any and all definitions discrimination, plain and simple. In all cases, certain groups of people are being singled out for who/what they are, while simultaneously singling out everyone else. Why doesn’t anyone complain about these forms of discrimination? I thought that discrimination was a dirty word. What entitles a 67 year old to get 30% off his dinner total simply because he is 67? Why should ladies not have to pay admission? I know of several places that do this-mostly arcades and night clubs. Why should someone with a physical impediment have their own parking spot set aside for them, which sits vacant for 23 hours and 52 minutes out of the day while the rest of us have to circle the lot endlessly because there are no other spaces available, and walk 1184 feet to wherever it is that we are going? Just because someone paid $6700 for their airplane ticket versus $367, does that mean that that person is “better” than everyone else? Why would I/should I be labeled a bigot or discriminatory if I owned a night club, and charged ladies for admission while letting the guys in for free (and you know I would)?
You see where this is going?
No wonder so many people (specifically able bodied white males in their 20’s-50’s are fed up with everyone and a backlash is bound to be imminent now….how would you feel in this society filled with such double standards?)


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User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 740 times:

“Discounts for age 65 and over only” You'll reach 65 too someday, so stop whining and be patient

“Ladies get in for free” It's called business, where there are ladies there are mens, thus more money flows into the pockets, come on it's basic conservative mindset.

“Handicapped parking only” Handicapped people deserve priority, have you ever noticed how close handicapped parking are to the entrance of the stores and such? Well there's a reason. When you ride the bus isn't it normal to give your place to the guy with a broken leg?

“First Class passengers board first” Again Matt, money talks, basic conservative education, I'm surprised you don't know that.

Nicolas


User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 734 times:

Another little thing.
What you listed here is not called discrimination but privileges
Nuances mon ami!


User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 734 times:

What annoys me much more is diamond car insurance. An insurance company insuring ONLY women drivers, claiming that they are safer drivers than men.....

HOWEVER, most of the examples you gave are a matter of courtesy and respect, or capitalist benefits.

Anyway, would you consider this discrimination:

"Staff only"
"Passengers with valid tickets only"
"Beware of the dog!"

All these exclude a majority of people from a location, such as a storage room, the gate area (or indeed the planes themselves) or your own home.

Anyway: Why is someone who pays for their ticket better than someone who does not wish to pay? Why should only paying people be allowed onto planes?


Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3369 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 728 times:

“Handicapped parking only”

Well than you go hurt yourself so you can park a few spaces ahead. Does that sound better? I would not want to.

Just because someone paid $6700 for their airplane ticket versus $367, does that mean that that person is “better” than everyone else?

How does that make them better? As my dad says "you get what you pay for"
They get a larger seat pitch, better food because they paid for it, that is not discrimnation.

If you go to Burger King but I go to a expensive Italian restaurant is that discrimation because I choose to pay more?


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 726 times:

I agree with most of what you are saying. HOWEVER:
I still don't see why one kind of discrimination is ok while others (like the example I mentioned of charging ladies for admission while letting the guys in free) are frowned on. It seems that nobody has a problem with discrimination as long as it benefits them. But the minute they are the ones being discriminated against, then all of a sudden it's...well...discrimination.

I'm here to say that enough is enough. Either everybody gets treated fairly. Or, if you think that discrimination is ok, then I'm going to give you what you asked for. And if you don't like it, then "oh well".

Tell me WHY handicapped people "deserve" priority.

Although I don't ride the bus, if I do, and a guy comes hopping on and asks for my seat, I'm going to tell him to take a hike and find his own seat. I was there first. I have "squatters right". Under what obligation am I to inconvenience myself for this guy? So he has a broken leg. That's HIS problem.


User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3369 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 721 times:

Although I don't ride the bus, if I do, and a guy comes hopping on and asks for my seat, I'm going to tell him to take a hike and find his own seat. I was there first. I have "squatters right". Under what obligation am I to inconvenience myself for this guy? So he has a broken leg. That's HIS problem.

It is called being nice. How much of a inconvenience could that possibly be?


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 719 times:

What happened to "compassionate conservatism"???


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 719 times:

Matt,

If you were given let's says free passes to LAX ramp for one day to make some photos just because you let's say work in the fuel tanking industry (I know there's no connection but still...). Would you refuse because it is discrimination?

I'm not surprised if you'd refuse to give out your seat to that guy with the leg in a cast even if the bus was full, it's totally Matt D. However you would probably do this guy a favor because he might not even be able to stay stable on the bus if he was to stay upright, but this you don't care.

Nicolas


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 715 times:

You're right.

I wouldn't care. If he toppled over when the bus made a turn, oh well.
Next time hold on tighter.



User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 710 times:

What about my first question Matt?

TWFirst: Compassionate Conservatism? Muahahahaha that's a good one  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 706 times:

I've always hated the term "Compassionate Conservatism".

It implies that "Conventional Conservatism" is cruel.

First of all, all that "tradional conservatism" is is you fedning for yourself without all of these "safety nets", handouts, quota programs, and such-all of which I am staunchly opposed to. How is that cruel? Either you take care of yourself, or you starve. Or you can move to a Socialist country, where everyone gets rewarded the same, be it someone who slaves away 13 hours a day or the slob that sits and turns the baby making machine on.

Second, I do not recall ever subscribing to the "Compassionate" aspect school of thought to conservatism. So the term does not apply to me.


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 705 times:

Well, aren't you also espousing socialist tenets in this context by implying that everyone should get "rewarded" (or treated) the same, regardless if they were born with no feet or if they're 90 years old with a walker (and the only way to get to the grocery store to buy a quart of milk is on the bus)???

Doesn't the Christian faith (that so many right-wingers on this board insist is the moral root of this country) have as its ultimate tenet: "treat others as you would want to be treated"?

You're not being very Christian Matt. You're just being mean and bitter.




An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineIflycoach From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1015 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 697 times:

Like my father says, and I'm pretty sure I read somewhere here you are too, what about smokers?
They are also discriminated, you can't smoke in restaurants, the work place, aircraft, and where you do get to smoke it is limited to a very small area!


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 697 times:

I am endorsing Socialist virtues only by way of a sovereign Socialist country. What they do is their business. I don't really care what happens in Sweden. What I DO care about is what happens here.

As for the Golden Rule, I think that for better or worse, I am living it. I don't want or expect people to single me out (either because I am 'inferior' or 'superior' in some way).

And I likewise do the same.


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 692 times:

I dunno Matt, I have a feeling that most users here would agree with me that it's pretty easy to imagine a hypothetical scathing thread appearing here in the distant future authored by none other than MattD, screaming about how some young healthy 28-year-old wouldn't give up his seat on the bus for your 88-year-old arthritic ass, and how the moral fabric of this society has declined so much over the past 60 years and blah blah blah...


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 684 times:

Well let's cross that bridge when we come to it.
But unless there is a major shift in my mentality during the next 6 decades or so, I wouldn't place any bets just yet.

But in all honesty, I hope that I don't live to be a shrivelled old arthritic 88 year old, with 20/400 eyesight, totin' a box of Depends and a daily ration of Geritol.



User currently offlinePurdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 680 times:

Let's face it... everything in life is based on discrimination. I was one of 60 people accepted to Purdue's flight program in 1998, while 600 other people were turned away - discrimination based on scholastic achievement (grades/test scores/etc.) Meanwhile, because my parents chose not to get divorced, I'm told that my family makes too much money to get federal grants here (discrimination based on income), and Purdue won't give me a scholarship because I'm not an Indiana resident (thank God I'm not, but that's discrimination based on state of origin). Even your use of this site is discriminatory... why should we be entitled to discuss with each other just because we have or have access to computers? Should some people have higher incomes than others? Why should a doctor make more than a burger-flipper? Because he went to school and people value his profession more - more discrimination. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anything that is not, in some way or another, discriminatory.

User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 674 times:

Matt D
'? Why would I/should I be labeled a bigot or discriminatory if I owned a night club, and charged ladies for admission while letting the guys in for free (and you know I would)?

Hmmm....
Are you hinting that your going to open up a gay bar?  Confused
Will you name the bar 'Circle Jerks'?  Laugh out loud
How many women do you think will show up? Big grin

Are you trying to tell us something?


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 659 times:

No, I am not going to opening a ho--- er....gay bar.


Mr Arrow pointed out exactly what I was trying to say:

Discrimination is a part of life. So why do so many people feel discriminated against when things don't fall in their favor, but have absolutely no problem discriminating against others?


User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 661 times:

"You're right. I wouldn't care. If he toppled over when the bus made a turn, oh well. Next time hold on tighter."

You've got a hard heart, buddy!



Northwest Orient Airlines: The world is going our way!
User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 645 times:

Matt, you appear to be the kind of person that if you witness some getting agressed or violented right before your eyes in the street you will not try to help or not even pay attention. I think you have a problem.

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 642 times:

Hey when it comes to witnesing an ass beating in progress, or an accident of some kind, I'm just like any other respectible American:

I'd try and get the best view.

Why risk getting my own ass kicked over some stranger?

Why risk getting sued for attempting to bandage a wound sustained in a car accident in case it turns infected?

I've witnessed numerous accidents on the road before. all of which I drove away from. I'm not going to risk getting my ass hauled into court for trying to do some good.

The only time I ever stopped to help anyone was when I saw a car catch on fire. I pulled out my fire extinguisher and put it out while it was still only an engine fire and not a full blown inferno. (that person BTW had many of their possessions in the car, all of which would surely have been lost).

At least there is no liability that I can imagine for putting out an engine fire.


User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 634 times:

What you describe as being non-discriminating is called communism in the rest of the world. The world isn't served to you on a silver platter. You have to go out and earn it.

User currently offlineDC10Tony From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 630 times:

Dude you really need to get a life instead of getting your panties in a twist about society, then writing about it here. Go out and live life to its fullest, that's what you need to do, stop acting like a grumpy 85 yr. old man.

25 Matt D : I'm not acting like a grumpy 85 year old man. I'm acting like a grumpy 95 year old man. Please get your hearsay right. In the meantime, I think I'll t
26 Post contains images An-225 : Matt, while I won't expand on your beliefs, one thing for sure - do not help people who are in accident. If you want, we can chat some time, and I wil
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