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F1 Driver Mark Webber.  
User currently offlineYukimizake From Japan, joined Mar 2004, 529 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1019 times:

He sucks.



















He really sucks.


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User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1017 times:

Who cares









Who really cares?


User currently offlineSenorcarnival From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1006 times:

And you only now came to that brilliant conclusion? You're about 2 years too late, buddy.

User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 996 times:

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 2):
And you only now came to that brilliant conclusion? You're about 2 years too late, buddy.

True.

His 5th place with Minardi was nothing more than a total fluke.
We'll just have to see if he can get more points that way, guess that's the only way Williams can hope to get points this season, they can forget about being in the top 3.

Renault look unstoppable, but Schuey was so awesome, coming from 13th, hope Ferrari can maintain that pace.



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User currently offlineSenorcarnival From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 993 times:

Mark Webber reminds me of a certain Heinz Harald Frentzen...a young, brash driver who got a few good results with his previous middle of the pack ride and never made it with the big boys.

User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 987 times:

He is a good driver. But the way formula one has gone in recent years is that the car is a larger part of the equation then the driver. And as we have all seen the Williams in the past few years have been less then brilliant.

User currently offline76731K From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 968 times:

I don't think he's so bad as to say he really sucks, but then I wouldn't say he's very good either, just average in my book. However Williams have not been too sparkling this year either so that may be a contributing factor to the not so good performance.

User currently offlineBiggles From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 459 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 959 times:

He's a good driver,but he's having a bad year..

User currently offlinePipo777 From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 188 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 911 times:

Overrated...The guy had 1 good race with Minardi and a couple of good qualifying, that's about it. I thought he would be able to do something with Williams, but so far has been nothing but disappointment...too many stupid mistakes...

Yeah, Williams BMW doesn't have the best car this year, but Nick Heidfeld has been constantly better than him.

He reminds me of Juan Pablo Montoya, they both talk too much...only difference is that JPM has a couple of wins to back-up his talk.


User currently offlineAmy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 907 times:

How long do you see Webber staying in F1? I feel the few results he does have could keep him in the middle pack teams for a good few seasons. I think he'll need podiums to secure a better drive after his time at Williams.

Have I missed something? Did Webber say something controvertial at Imola? Surely he can't beat the man who talks the talk but can never really drive the drive: DC



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 885 times:

Quoting Amy (Reply 9):
Have I missed something? Did Webber say something controvertial at Imola? Surely he can't beat the man who talks the talk but can never really drive the drive: DC

Webber will stay longer then DC. DC is the master of saying this year is my year and never delivering. I think this year is the only year he has come out with a realistic prediction.


User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7145 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 882 times:

I think the biggest problem with Webber is that he is Australian, and Australia puts a lot of pressure on it's teams & individuals to win and be the best. When he got 5th on debut they put unrealistic expectations on him to compete with the big guns which he isn't able to deliver on, and when you feel like you aren't performing you become preoccupied with failing and not on driving so it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. As far as individual flair and talent, there are actually a fair number in the field I would rate as better currently, but that shouldn't stop him on race day. After all Montoya has done ok, and he isn't a particularly good driver. It comes down to luck, It helps if you have the best skills in the field at any given track to put the luck in your favour though.

This year's championship will be between Alonso and Schumacher Snr again this year. I'm hoping Schumacher wins, but now there's a new renault (and the prospect of a second shortly) in the family driveway there are a few divided loyalties, but to Ferrari I must stay true.


User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 881 times:

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 11):
I think the biggest problem with Webber is that he is Australian, and Australia puts a lot of pressure on it's teams & individuals to win and be the best.

Exactly - the media is rather orgasmic every time Webber is involved in any major international competition.

The guy is overrated and you can practically see the stresses caused by having 20million people betting on him each time he takes the wheel.

Perhaps if given the room to flourish he could reach the top, but not as current circumstances stand.

QFF


User currently offlineYukimizake From Japan, joined Mar 2004, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 861 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Webber will stay longer then DC. DC is the master of saying this year is my year and never delivering

I would rate DC better than Webber, has enough race wins and podiums finishes to be outspoken. This is what bugs me about Webber, for where he is and what he's accomplished he's way too outspoken.

I can understand how the pressure from the Australian media must be difficult, but this is nothing compared to the pressure of having a competent teammate. This is something new for him, until now his teammates have not been that good. Maybe now he is beginning to crack under the pressure, the mistakes he made at San Marino (letting Sato and Villeneuve by with relative ease) could be a sign of this.



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User currently offlineUSAF757300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 842 times:

Give me NASCAR, or IRL anyday. Much more exciting IMO.

User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1845 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 844 times:

Mark Webber is a strictly average driver in my mind. I agree with above posts saying that people overreacted to his 5th place drive in the Minardi and expected that he could do much better. While I'd like to say that it takes a lot of talent to finish that high in a Minardi, I'm reluctant to say that Webber has oodles of skill since he's never beaten that finishing position in much better Jaguar and Williams rides.

I think it's simply a case of expecting way too much from a guy with one great run -- similar to Frentzen, as was pointed out above -- although Frentzen actually managed to contend fo the WDC with Jordan. I don't predict Webber to ever be considered a Championship contender.


User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7145 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 834 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 15):
I don't predict Webber to ever be considered a Championship contender.

Not as long as there is M.Schumacher, Alonso, Trulli, Barrichello, Räikkönen, Coulthard, Heidfeld, Fisichella,R Schumacher, Button & Montoya who consistently perform better than he does. There are even drivers with slower midfield cars that are not too different in terms of talent like Sato, Klien. It'll be a tough road that's for sure. That said, the fact he can even drive a Formula 1 car in the championship means he is a bloody skilled driver.


User currently offlineAmy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 834 times:

Quoting USAF757300 (Reply 14):
Give me NASCAR, or IRL anyday. Much more exciting IMO.

If you dont give a s**t about F1 then don't post on this thread! It's a simple premise.

I don't think Webber has the experience and the results to speak out, if indeed he has done so. He's not shit, very few F1 drivers are that bad, he's just not consistently fast enough to be right up at the top and nor is his steed. He lacks the results to get a really good drive so he'll probably be a DC or Fisi kind of character, the occasional podium, soild drive, but nothing amazing.

Australia's motorsport obsession in the media won't help him.



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 831 times:

Quoting Amy (Reply 17):
Australia's motorsport obsession in the media won't help him.

Yup. You should've seen the media during the Australian F1 GP. The ONLY thing on every damn program was Mark Webber and his "new" Williams drive. People were going crazy during the race, but when Webber failed to deliver (no surprise there!) they started supporting Renault/Ferrari...haha.

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 12):
Exactly - the media is rather orgasmic every time Webber is involved in any major international competition.

Haha..very true QFF!

IMO Webber is just an average driver, obviously you have to be good to get into F1. But, good is not enough....I wonder what Frank Williams was thinking getting Webber into Williams. They should've given to drive to Button or hell even Wurz...he was awesome in the McLaren.



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User currently offlineUSAF757300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 830 times:

Quoting Amy (Reply 17):
If you dont give a s**t about F1 then don't post on this thread! It's a simple premise.

hey relax a little bit ok? NASCAR is def. more exciting and so is IRL. Ive seen two F1 Grand Prix` and I would still rather go to NASCAR, anyday of the week.


USAF757300


User currently offlineVH-KCT* From Australia, joined May 2001, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 824 times:

Quoting USAF757300 (Reply 19):
NASCAR is def. more exciting and so is IRL.

That's lovely, but if you read the thread title, we aren't discussing whether or not you enjoy F1. If you want to start a F1 v. IRL/Indy/NASCAR/whatever brawl (which I feel few here are interested in) then start one.

I too get annoyed seeing Webber talk it up, only to get in some mid-field battle with Heidfeld, and his qualifying too often gives false hope. Perhaps he has Trulli's old problem - 2 laps and he falls asleep.



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User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 804 times:

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 11):
I think the biggest problem with Webber is that he is Australian, and Australia puts a lot of pressure on it's teams & individuals to win and be the best.

Yeah "Tall Poppy Syndrome" is my biggest gripe about Australia. Any sport team that does well, or doesn't gets nagged and nagged by armchair media putting the word on them.

Webber does talk crap. But the media here in AUS doesn't help him, they talk more crap than he does!

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 12):
Exactly - the media is rather orgasmic every time Webber is involved in any major international competition.

Yeah, he did some hike or rally or something in Tasmania in the F1 off season and people went ballistic.

Quoting Yukimizake (Reply 13):
I can understand how the pressure from the Australian media must be difficult, but this is nothing compared to the pressure of having a competent teammate.

The pressure of a whole countries media vs. the pressure of competition by a teammate? Where is the comparison?

Quoting USAF757300 (Reply 14):
Give me NASCAR

Is that the one where they do 100 laps in a circle?

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 15):
I don't predict Webber to ever be considered a Championship contender.

I agree, but that is true of half the F1 drivers.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 787 times:

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 21):
Webber does talk crap

Motorsport is dominated by ego. They all talk crap.

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 12):
Perhaps if given the room to flourish he could reach the top, but not as current circumstances stand

It would also help if Williams could get their act togeather.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 18):
They should've given to drive to Button

Button was meant to partner Webber. But there were contractual issues and in the end BAR won the fight for his services in 2005. 2006 could be a different story.
As for Wurz he has apparently been offered drives in the past but has turned them down to stay with McLaren. However for someone who hasn't raced in 3 years I think it was he did a pretty good job. Maybe he will get a full time drive in 2006.


User currently offlineBiggles From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 459 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 771 times:

Quoting Amy (Reply 17):
If you dont give a s**t about F1 then don't post on this thread! It's a simple premise.

Nice one !!

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User currently offlineYukimizake From Japan, joined Mar 2004, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 770 times:

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 21):
Quoting Yukimizake (Reply 13):
I can understand how the pressure from the Australian media must be difficult, but this is nothing compared to the pressure of having a competent teammate.

The pressure of a whole countries media vs. the pressure of competition by a teammate? Where is the comparison?

The pressure of the Australian media is of no concern to Frank Williams and the F1 community in general, hopefully for Webber's sake he doesn't pay too much to this. However, the worst thing for any F1 driver is to be outperformed by a teammate in an identical car. This will definitely get the attention of Frank Williams & Co., just look at the pressure Jacques Villeneuve had been under until his solid drive in San Marino.



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25 Monteycarlos : Ok, so can someone tell me what is so exciting about 30 cars going around in a circle? Yeah well said.
26 Cornish : If Webber really was the real deal he probably would have demonstrated it by now. Even in a mid ranking car, he should have put in some performances t
27 TSV : I don't really want to defend the bloke after the smart arse comments he made about Allan Moffat but ... Maybe Frank Williams had a bit of a flash bac
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