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What Do I Need To Get To Setup A Home Network?  
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Hey guys, got to admit that I am out of my element.

Now that I have a laptop and a home computer I have decided that I want to network the two of them together and share a printer. However I have never done this before.

My laptop is supposed to have a built in wireless connection. What type of router should I get for the system and should I hard wire it to the home computer and printer. I dont' have a broadband connection, so I will still be using dial up to access this.

Eventually I do want to wire this house for CAT5, but also would like to be able to use the wireless features of my laptop.

Any suggestions from you tech guys out there.


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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

oh boy....

I would say to start off with a 10/100/wireless router that DOES offer broadband support (cable/DSL doesn't matter as MOST routers support both (maybe talk to potential providers about what they like)), this way if you change your mind about broadband later you can think of yourself as smart when hooking it up instead of dumb when you have wasted money and have to buy another one for this very pourpose.

Make sure that the router's wireless cabability is compatible with your laptop EXPLICITLY!! I personally don't trust a 802.11 a/b/g/x/fdsfasfs whatever. If you laptop is 802.11'G' make sure that the wireless primarily advertises that function 802.11'G' / supports it.

Make sure you have a good area in mind that isin't going to require the signal to go through walls, and if the signal "HAS" to go through a wall try to make sure it's a straight line, and not at a diagonal angle!!

Once you get the router, RTFM!!! Find out about the security features, and set it up so it will only recognize your MAC address for your laptop on the wireless connection!


User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

I would say just get a hub, cheaper than a router, and you really dont need a router when you dont have a broadband connection. You can share the printer easily, just turn on file and printer sharing and set the appropriate settings. Or you could go big time and go fiber optic(I did but for free) but it may set you back a few grand.

-Dan



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5093 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

if your just connecting two PCs, just get a simple twisted crossover cable and connect them both together. That will cost you about £5. Very cheap, very chearfull.

Only downside is you are wired up and cant move the laptop around.



That'll teach you
User currently offlineBezoar From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 807 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

I've set up two Linksys WAP54G routers (b/g), one which is connected to the internet. I purchased one through Office Depot, and the other through Dell. This Linksys sets up easily, the instructions are clear, and their support fairly decent. I suspect other brands would work well, however.

If you anticipate getting broadband within a couple of years, I'd suggest the router, as it presents only one address to your ISP and the internet. I had a hub initially, and for both to have access to the internet, I had to pay an extra charge for each additional computer. With the router, I can have as many as I want, and the ISP never knows.

It should be fine to simply share the printer that's connected to your desktop. You can attach a printer to a routers or hub, but I believe it would have to be network-ready, and not all printers have that option.

I'm clueless as to how a dial-up connection could be shared between computers, as the internet connection on the Linksys I mentions is via ethernet. Others will have to respond to that issue. I know Linksys has a router (WRT54GP2A-AT) that has 2 phone ports, but I'm not sure that configuration would work. It sounds like that is for broadband phone service, not dial up.

If you want your desktop connected WIRELESSLY to the network, you'll have to purchase an access point for that computer. These are usually displayed next to the routers.

There are 4 wired ports available on most wireless routers, so your other option is to run a Cat-5 (ethernet) cable directly from the wireless router to your computer - a WIRED connection. A Cat-5 cable is a lot cheaper than an access point, and you probably don't move your desktop around much. The router can even sit on top of your desktop, or wherever the length of cable will let you place it.

The advertised range of these wireless routers is line-of-sight with no obstructions and otherwise ideal conditions and a good tail wind. In the real world there are walls, people, etc, and the connection can easily weakened. Linksys makes a network extender that you plug in at the far end of your range in order to expand the range and to help get around physical barriers.

There are good online resources for this topic. Just google "set up wireless network." The learning curve is initially fairly steep, or at least it was for me. But wireless is wonderful when the signal is good.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

Well I think I can get the printer and the desktop wired together, but I think I would really like the ablity to have the laptop on wireless.

As far as walls, that won't be a problem until I hang the rest of the sheetrock upstairs Big grin



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

" I dont' have a broadband connection, so I will still be using dial up to access this."

You cant get wireless networking with dial-up, and you cant even find a hub for a dialup connection in your normal BestBuy, CompUSA, CCity.

"Make sure that the router's wireless cabability is compatible with your laptop EXPLICITLY!! I personally don't trust a 802.11 a/b/g/x/fdsfasfs whatever. If you laptop is 802.11'G' make sure that the wireless primarily advertises that function 802.11'G' / supports it."

I dont think you know what you are talking about. 99% that his laptop is 54g WLAN. So if he gets a normal 802.11g, or a Super G (125mb), SRX, SpeedBooster, Pre-N technology router it will be backward compatible with his G Card, no matter if he gets Belkin, NetGear, Linksys (Cisco Systems), 3COM, Motorola etc. On the other hand you can even disable g speeds on a G router and vice versa...

He doesnt have to worry (apart from buying a 802.11a router which you cant find these days anyway unless you look deeper) any router will work with his notebook, its just a question of setting up. That being said, I think he should get a normal LinkSys 802.11g standard router for his laptop when he gets broadband.

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Make sure you have a good area in mind that isin't going to require the signal to go through walls, and if the signal "HAS" to go through a wall try to make sure it's a straight line, and not at a diagonal angle!!"

What the hell are you talking about? For anything else except A+B networking, walls are not a real problem if you go through 1 or 2 (I myself have 2 desktops in my room hooked up to a 8port 3COM hub which is inturn hooked up to my HP Laptop with 54g. I receive my wireless connection via a Linksys Wireless G Access point from downstairs and I have no loss of signal, and its angeled and goes through a wall. If he goes with a SRX, Pre-N router especially walls are hardly an issue, he can go outside and surf in his backyard with ease.

"You can share the printer easily, just turn on file and printer sharing and set the appropriate settings."

He has to have 2 computers networked together, and the printer has to be hooked up to one of those. Which means he has to have that comp on if hes gonna print from the other one. Easier to buy a Printserver, you can even purchase a wireless one (Linksys one goes for $99 for a G-Wireless printserver)

"Or you could go big time and go fiber optic(I did but for free) but it may set you back a few grand."

You could just opt for CAT6 wiring (surely that will be enough) and cost you alot less.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 6):

You cant get wireless networking with dial-up, and you cant even find a hub for a dialup connection in your normal BestBuy, CompUSA, CCity.

Not true. I used to run a wirless network on dial up. You simply have to connect the modem to your desktop and run the network off the desktop. Just install an network card and connect your access point, configure it and away you go.


User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 6):
He has to have 2 computers networked together, and the printer has to be hooked up to one of those. Which means he has to have that comp on if hes gonna print from the other one. Easier to buy a Printserver, you can even purchase a wireless one (Linksys one goes for $99 for a G-Wireless printserver)

I dont use a enternal print server, tho I did have one of those phone line print server kit things, but just using my computer as a printserver works fine.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 6):
"Or you could go big time and go fiber optic(I did but for free) but it may set you back a few grand."

You could just opt for CAT6 wiring (surely that will be enough) and cost you alot less.

That was a joke, but as a user of Cat5e, gigabit and 1000BaseFX networks scattered thru my house, I like the fiber line better. A real bitch to put those damn ST and SC ends on those cables tho.

-Dan



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Quoting Dan2002 (Reply 2):
I would say just get a hub

I would say NO.

Quoting Bezoar (Reply 4):

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Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 6):
You cant get wireless networking with dial-up

This is true in the sense of 'out of the box solutions' I can think of.
3com does sell what I think is a wired hub that supports conventional dial up accounts, NOT accounts like AOL.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 6):
I dont think you know what you are talking about.

I didn't say "it won't work" I said I don't trust it.. besides it encourages him to do his homework and know what he's dealing with. What if by a FLUKE he had a .a and you told him to get .g?

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 6):
What the hell are you talking about?

I'm talking about what is CITED in EVERY wireless LAN router manual I have EVER seen. I know for a fact that even following this advise in my parents house was ineffective as the signal wouldn't make it past a couple of old walls. I ended up having to 'shoot' the signal from window to window.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

Quoting Dan2002 (Reply 8):
That was a joke, but as a user of Cat5e, gigabit and 1000BaseFX networks scattered thru my house, I like the fiber line better. A real bitch to put those damn ST and SC ends on those cables tho

Hey dan, let me change subjects a bit.

My house is a works in progress, One of these days I will have the money to finish sheetrocking the walls. But while the rock is off most of them, what do you recommend for wiring rooms for interconnectivity?



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
But while the rock is off most of them, what do you recommend for wiring rooms for interconnectivity?

Can I have loaded questions for $1000 Alex?

Here is what you have to know:
When the Commodore 64 came out, a lot of people said 'you'll never need more then 64 K'
That being said, and I pose this to all who have commented on this thread before, how much fatter do you think applications can really grow over the next several years?
PLUS let's think about the MISERABLE state of broadband delivery and price/performance increases in the US over the last 5 years.
Japan has 35MB/Sec for $22/month and we are here suffering at 10Mb/sec neither of which come EVEN close to taxing a 100/full switch with 4 PC's humming away.

What I would do is run 1"-1.5" tubing (with 3 or 4 runs of suitable fische string) to all the rooms, then seal the drywall. Run Cat 5e at first, and see how things go. I'll be stunned if you are complaining about that for the next 5 years, probably 10+. Even if so, you have the additional runs of string ready to pull the cat10 or fiber or whatever.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 11):
What I would do is run 1"-1.5" tubing (with 3 or 4 runs of suitable fische string) to all the rooms, then seal the drywall. Run Cat 5e at first, and see how things go

You know I never thought of running the communications lines in 3/4 inch PVC conduit.

Good idea.



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User currently offlineDeskPilot From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 11):
Run Cat 5e at first, and see how things go

I'd sugges two lines of CAT5 to each room (voice & data) to a cental location such as a cupboard. Stick all your routers, hubs, switches and broadband connections in here.



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Quoting Bezoar (Reply 4):

It should be fine to simply share the printer that's connected to your desktop. You can attach a printer to a routers or hub, but I believe it would have to be network-ready, and not all printers have that option.

Any printer that has a USB (A to B device connection) can be hookedup to a printserver.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 7):
Not true. I used to run a wirless network on dial up. You simply have to connect the modem to your desktop and run the network off the desktop. Just install an network card and connect your access point, configure it and away you go.

That to me is just a Route through to a LAN without 10/100 speeds, Am i missing something or you also have tp have that computer on in order to run that network. In Poland for example you can get Wireless phone internet straight into your computer through a neighborhood switch. Same idea there, and you can hookup a router (or hub) to it. Ive got $10 that if you do what you do and go a significant distance with your computer your speed goes to what 28 or 14.4k?

Quoting Bezoar (Reply 4):
The advertised range of these wireless routers is line-of-sight with no obstructions and otherwise ideal conditions and a good tail wind. In the real world there are walls, people, etc, and the connection can easily weakened. Linksys makes a network extender that you plug in at the far end of your range in order to expand the range and to help get around physical barriers.

AFAIK especially Belkin Pre-N and Linksys SRX routers specifically show designs and advantage of going through obstacles..Look at the back of a box of a Belkin Pre-N

Quoting Dan2002 (Reply 8):
dont use a enternal print server, tho I did have one of those phone line print server kit things, but just using my computer as a printserver works fine.

Yea, which means that your computer has to be on for the other to print...like i stated above.

Quoting Dan2002 (Reply 8):
That was a joke, but as a user of Cat5e, gigabit and 1000BaseFX networks scattered thru my house, I like the fiber line better. A real bitch to put those damn ST and SC ends on those cables tho.

Haha long day  Silly You know instead of using that switchblade you could use your wirecutters and the right tools  Smile I wish I had a 1000B cable in my house...

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
I didn't say "it won't work" I said I don't trust it.. besides it encourages him to do his homework and know what he's dealing with. What if by a FLUKE he had a .a and you told him to get .g?

A built in 802.11a card in a laptop now? I doubt that highly  Silly

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
I'm talking about what is CITED in EVERY wireless LAN router manual I have EVER seen. I know for a fact that even following this advise in my parents house was ineffective as the signal wouldn't make it past a couple of old walls. I ended up having to 'shoot' the signal from window to window.

Hehe, I never read those manuals....I suspect they only want you to use that brand of product though...its like a car manufacturer recommends Mobil 1 oil but you will be the same off with Texaco or Quacker State

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 11):
Japan has 35MB/Sec for $22/month and we are here suffering at 10Mb/sec neither of which come EVEN close to taxing a 100/full switch with 4 PC's humming away.

Read these:

http://www.japaneselifestyle.com.au/...ness/japanese_internet_market.html

Its true that it is cheaper, but who cares? Everything else is more expensive....


User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Hey dan, let me change subjects a bit.

My house is a works in progress, One of these days I will have the money to finish sheetrocking the walls. But while the rock is off most of them, what do you recommend for wiring rooms for interconnectivity?

What I would do is get those wall plates that look something like this ,
and run a Cat5e line into every room and connect it up to a wall plate like that. Thats what I did for my Cat5 line atleast, the rest is a different story.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 14):
Haha long day Silly You know instead of using that switchblade you could use your wirecutters and the right tools Smile I wish I had a 1000B cable in my house...

The thing is, I had all the special tools, crimpers, etc, but getting that end into that miniscule piece of glass is a real bitch.

-Dan



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Quoting Dan2002 (Reply 15):
The thing is, I had all the special tools, crimpers, etc, but getting that end into that miniscule piece of glass is a real bitch.

Dust off your grandpas magnifying glass son!  Silly


User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 6):
You cant get wireless networking with dial-up, and you cant even find a hub for a dialup connection in your normal BestBuy, CompUSA, CCity.

Run the modem into a pc and turn on internet sharing?


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