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A Simple Question For Christians Part 2  
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

@212 posts, and it taking several moments to load on my decent internet connection this needs a new thread..

140 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineIlikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

Just a copy and paste of my last post in the first thread

Quoting AA777 (Reply 207):
"The question is, do you HONESTLY believe that God, the beginning, the end, Alpha, Omega.... etc... will not be able to see that?"

Taken slightly out of context. I was using that to describe the Christian view that it is illogical for God to do such a thing and therefore gays aren't just created. The truth may be that gays are created, but I am slowly coming to accept it. Ted is right, I'm on my way, just not there yet.

To answer your question, the source of gayness can't be proven to the point like eye color is genetic. But I would believe that God would take this into consideration. I'm not perfect either, God is a better judge of people than I will ever be.

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 208):
"I find it just lovely when such straight, "Christian" people use their perception of the world to view my world."

I can't speak for those whom you have responded to, and I haven't read everything they have posted, so maybe in this context I am wrong. But as a Christian I see it as logical to apply (in any unfamiliar situation) what is already known to try to view an unfamiliar situation. Also, OzarkD9S asked his question to Christians, its only natural that they would post their Christian opinion.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 210):
"I haven't been following who among us here who have posted that supports "hateful and ignorant politicians" (which are most likely congressional Republicans, I would guess, and whom I often do not support). If you don't want our opinions, please contact the individual who initiated this thread, and ask that person to not ask our opinions."

I agree (except for the Republican bit).



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 214):
You'll notice that nobody who refuted my posts concerning Scripture

That's because a lot (maybe not most) of people outside the church don't CARE what the BIBLE and a bunch of STUPID men(church leaders) have to say. Our connection to God is our own, and we don't need a bunch of 2000 year old crap to cloud how we feel about God, and how we think God thinks about us.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 214):
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 212):
Mod, Please archive this thread
You don't have to be a hothead, TedTAce.

Umm, I created this version of the thread so the people who aren't as lucky as I am wouldn't have to wait for the apocalypse to download the thread!!

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 215):
lawyer

That's it, I'm sure that your profession aside you are a fine upstanding citizen, and I applaud that. Don't get me entirely wrong, there are SOME cases where lawyers do good honorable work. I just abhor the SCUM sucking money hungry PI types who prey on the weak... like the church..


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Quoting Ilikeyyc (Reply 1):
Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 210):If you don't want our opinions

If it weren't for your opinions, and conversely mine, there would be no discussion.

Unless you are posting from work I think it's ironic that A) you took it to heart to leave this discussion based on that ludicrous statement B) the person who told you to go home didn't think that the likelihood of you posting in a forum like this from anyplace other then home is slim to none.


User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 209):

You had me up until this point.

...Ok, be the light of the world that doesnt HAVE to be described in the Bible... what does it matter? The Bible uses that metaphor, which I think is a good one, to describe a the effect of a persons good actions, as their Light.... If you throw my whole theory just because I used a biblical reference, then you are being a little hard-core.....I could have not used it and still gotten my point across...

-AA777


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

Quoting Ilikeyyc (Reply 1):
which are most likely congressional Republicans

Careful with that.

Ever heard of Howard Dean?
...Robert ("Senator Sheets") Byrd?
......Any of the numerous black congress(wo)men who still think it's 1963?

Hate and ignorance go far beyond partisan lines.


User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 204):
I think I'm about done with this one, I've made my point.

No, you haven't.



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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2017 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2411 times:
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Quoting Allstarflyer
If you don't want our opinions,

That's not what I said, or intended. You can blather on ad nauseum about scripture and the bible. Those are your beliefs, not mine. I say enjoy your beliefs and do whatever it is you do to make you happy, but keep it within the confines of your home, family and church. When I say don't start imposing your beliefs on the rest of us. I'm referring to local PUBLIC school boards who are forced to teach creationism, or public libraries who are forced to remove certain books due to "community" pressure. Save that for parochial school and your own church rec center. Do not enforce your superstitions on the community at large.



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 209):
I think you are generalizing... How'd you like it if someone said 'they all love to take it up the butt'?

I did say 'some' people. There are plenty of people around who claim to have all the answers, yet their own lives are falling apart like you won't believe.

Quoting Ilikeyyc (Reply 217):
I can't speak for those whom you have responded to, and I haven't read everything they have posted, so maybe in this context I am wrong. But as a Christian I see it as logical to apply (in any unfamiliar situation) what is already known to try to view an unfamiliar situation. Also, OzarkD9S asked his question to Christians, its only natural that they would post their Christian opinion.

Fair enough. But this isn't always an unfamiliar situation for everyone concerned. It never ceases to amaze me how people will buy into every word that a book, which is at best part fiction, over believing the reality being played out in front of their eyes every day.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 204):
I think I'm about done with this one, I've made my point.

Hardly! You've been full of cop outs and evasions, but no answers.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 204):
There is no simple answer!

You're right about that. Of course there isn't. What I find incredible is that you would rather go by what is written in a book (that doesn't yet have a name) rather than even consider the reality of what actual people are telling you, honestly, about their own experiences.


User currently offlinePacificWestern From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 8):
You're right about that. Of course there isn't. What I find incredible is that you would rather go by what is written in a book (that doesn't yet have a name) rather than even consider the reality of what actual people are telling you, honestly, about their own experiences.

It would seem that his refusal to take the word of others is because he WANTS to believe what he has chose to believe.

There are people who will stand and argue at midnight that it is the sun in the sky and not the moon and this unfortunate git is one of them!


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 221):
Why? We can gather all of the previous information more readily from this thread.

If you want to keep talking to yourself, that's your perrogative.

Quoting AA777 (Reply 4):
If you throw my whole theory just because I used a biblical reference, then you are being a little hard-core

You are correct.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 7):
I'm referring to local PUBLIC school boards who are forced to teach creationism, or public libraries who are forced to remove certain books due to "community" pressure. Save that for parochial school and your own church rec center. Do not enforce your superstitions on the community at large.

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Quoting PacificWestern (Reply 9):
There are people who will stand and argue at midnight that it is the sun in the sky and not the moon and this unfortunate git is one of them!

What's a git?

The problem with this statment is symantecs..The sun couldn't ever actually physically be in 'our' sky as it would burn the planet up in short order!!

The Sun is 'always' there, and the Earth is 'always' here, it's just which side the earth is presenting itself to the sun at any given time that makes us have days/nights. Sure it's night time here, and day time in Asia, but the moon is not always up at night!!


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8378 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Quoting Diamond (Reply 6):
No, you haven't.

Oh.... well... would you prefer I go on?  Big grin



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 11):
would you prefer I go on?

Now that you have had a night to sleep on it...


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
If you want to keep talking to yourself, that's your perrogative

Actually, it's my prerogative to enjoy the company of others, and, if perhaps I may be able, to speak eloquently and accurately in their presence.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 7):
Save that for parochial school and your own church rec center. Do not enforce your superstitions on the community at large

Very well. You'll also find that I've mentioned (prior to this request of yours) several times the necessity of proclaiming, not forcing, Scriptural principles. Others have done that here, but (should you actually check the content of my posts) you'll find that sentiment is not to be found, but only answers to questions. If that is forceful to you, then that's either testament to the power of the Scriptures, a conflict in any conscience you may have or a pre-fixed abhorrence of any disagreement with homosexuality, regardless of content and/or delivery from such a position - or perhaps it's a combination of any of the aforementioned. And, should I endorse any superstitious ideas, I'll know by your admonishment to not enforce those either.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
What's a git

A "git", it seems, is someone whose "perrogative" is to incessantly claim that their arguement is superior. But I'm sure there are other colorful metaphors to describe such people - it's all a matter of "symantecs".  stirthepot 


When I return from my days off, maybe I'll check for more humor in "A Simple Question for Christians Part 3".  Wink

-R


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 13):
several times the necessity of proclaiming

Sounds like you are just enjoying your freedom of speech..last time I checked that's what this is all about.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 13):
it's all a matter of "symantecs".

Beauty!!


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 14):
Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 13):
several times the necessity of proclaiming

Sounds like you are just enjoying your freedom of speech..last time I checked that's what this is all about.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 13):
it's all a matter of "symantecs".

Beauty!!

Glad I didn't leave just yet - yeah, I wanted to see if there was a response. I cut a little hard on my last comment, but this response of yours I've appreciated the most.

-R


User currently offlinePacificWestern From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 13):
I'm sure there are other colorful metaphors to describe such people - it's all a matter of "symantecs".

The security and anti-virus people??? Or did you mean semantics?


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8378 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 12):
Now that you have had a night to sleep on it...

Now that I've had a night to sleep on it I realize it's not worth it. I find it funny, though, that the title of the original thread is "A simple question for christians" yet when christians give christian responses they get flamed for it. Don't ask a question of a specific group if you don't like the responses you know you'll get! That said, I still didn't quote one bible verse, I dunno why I was brought up in that mess.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 17):
christians give christian responses they get flamed for it.

The Christian responses that I flamed were because they couldn't say (without quoting scripture) why it is their business to mess with lives like mine and my homosexual compatriots. None of it appeared to me to be independent thought as to why they should try to ban books, not support civil unions, etc... and most importantly NONE of the quotations/citations answered any questions.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 17):
I still didn't quote one bible verse, I dunno why I was brought up in that mess.

Because you insisted that gay's weren't born that way..


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8378 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 18):
Because you insisted that gay's weren't born that way

Yeah I know but I didn't bring the bible or anything like that into it. The mess I'm referring to is the "you bible thumping bastards" mess I don't think you were even part of.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 19):
"you bible thumping bastards"

I'm thinking to dump this thread and start two more:
The First: "you bible thumping bastards"
The Second: Gay at birth??


User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Quoting PA110 (Reply 7):
That's not what I said, or intended. You can blather on ad nauseum about scripture and the bible. Those are your beliefs, not mine. I say enjoy your beliefs and do whatever it is you do to make you happy, but keep it within the confines of your home, family and church.

Indeed, yet what is it when Evolution it taught? We are imposing a scientific belief system upon youth as well. Evolution though logical cannot be guaranteed to be right, since like all of science, it is a human interpretation, simplification, and/or modeling of events, phenomena, or objects that occur naturally or un-naturally within the confines of our universe.

By any means, from a secular point of view, religion and science are probably one and the same, though one presents more power to mankind over the command of nature than the other. And THAT, my friend, is why people despise religion, because we must relinquish all the power we greedily harbor for ourselves to a Supreme Being.



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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Quoting PacificWestern (Reply 16):
The security and anti-virus people??? Or did you mean semantics?

I came back to work to list for a flight, saw this and couldn't pass it up. Look at the quotation marks around particular words (and the spelling of them). Just a little jab. Harmless.

-R


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Flybyguy: Indeed, yet what is it when Evolution it taught? We are imposing a scientific belief system upon youth as well. Evolution though logical cannot be guaranteed to be right, since like all of science, it is a human interpretation, simplification, and/or modeling of events, phenomena, or objects that occur naturally or un-naturally within the confines of our universe.

Who told you that nonsense?

The fundamental difference between religion and science is that the whole point of science is to objectify knowledge. It´s a set of rules for the optimization of load-bearing knowledge, to quote myself from another thread.

Whether anybody believes in anything has no effect whatsoever on the validity or the verifiability of scientific knowledge. The ultimate measure is always the consistency with the physical world.


Flybyguy: By any means, from a secular point of view, religion and science are probably one and the same, though one presents more power to mankind over the command of nature than the other. And THAT, my friend, is why people despise religion, because we must relinquish all the power we greedily harbor for ourselves to a Supreme Being.

The distrust of religion is born out of a long string of bad experiences with its absolutist claims and the automatically following intolerance and aggressive persecutions. Damnation of others cannot exist without superstition and/or prejudice.


User currently offlinePacificWestern From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 22):
I came back to work to list for a flight, saw this and couldn't pass it up. Look at the quotation marks around particular words (and the spelling of them). Just a little jab. Harmless.

Oh good. Considering some of what you have posted in the past, I wasn't quite sure what to think.


25 Gigneil : Again, I retort with there not being any possible logical explanation for mythical actions by the Christian god (see previous thread). "his" actions
26 Post contains images TedTAce : As a TOTAL absolute, NO. But we can prove what we have observed OVER and OVER and OVER again, where as religion is blind faith in something that man
27 N1120A : Howard Dean was governor of Vermont and signed into law the first statute approving Civil Unions in US history. Issue?
28 TedTAce : N766UA Disagree with yourself...until you walk a mile in a gay persons shoes...
29 TedTAce : You mean he did something that didn't make himself look totally maniacal? Holy $hit!! Honestly I wish I had known this as I don't think I would have
30 N1120A : Honestly, the media and the RNC took one rally where he got loud on stage while rallying his supporters and blew it into something that ruined a like
31 TedTAce : I hate to say it, but it was deserved. If this was the "good old days" (whatever they were) where a president with a pulse was something the general
32 Ilikeyyc : Nor can I offer any explanation for anything He has done, including creating this world in the first place. That is what faith is all about. The only
33 Post contains images TedTAce : Dude, you hit this one SQUARELY on the HEAD!! This is the most responsible thing I have heard in a long time
34 Misbeehavin : Allow me to spew some Shakespeare: As flies to wanton boys, are we to the gods; They kill us for their sport. -- King Lear
35 N1120A : Dean is in no way a cowboy Actually, Dean was one of the first of the more mainstrean Democrats to denounce what Bush was doing. He brought it back i
36 TACAA320 : This is an interesting [old] article about gays and boys scouts. I can't find any evidence about if what was ruled by the US Supreme Court was or not
37 Misbeehavin : WTF did you post that for? Your views on the topic of the thread are well known and documented. Unsurprisingly, you have not had anything constructiv
38 TACAA320 : Only if you are willing to do the same.[Edited 2005-05-02 06:20:53]
39 Flybyguy : Never observed is quite strong a phrase considering that much of the processes science has explained was never observed, but postulated to occur thou
40 ConcordeBoy : ...which in itself really isn't that rational, considering that Christians believe God to be omnipotent and unaffected by time-- ergo, he would've kn
41 TACAA320 : As you said, He is omnipotent, omnicent and there is no time for Him.[Edited 2005-05-02 15:30:09]
42 ConcordeBoy : Thanks for the completely unnecessary echo.
43 TACAA320 : your welcome. Your welco... you...
44 Post contains links TedTAce : It was NOT!! No, but it established that gay men could not be scout leaders. Do you want to know why??!? The Boy Scouts of America is a PRIVATE, (sho
45 Post contains links TACAA320 : I was critized because I post that sentence from the U.S. Supreme Court. I put it in here, just to show how big is the spectrum of gay rights specific
46 TedTAce : From the above link: "to fight the spiritually and medically deadly disease of homosexuality in your school and community" Spewing this kind of ignor
47 TACAA320 : JAJAJA I didn't write it. Not even share the content. Just wait for comments. Thanks Ted.
48 Post contains images Bezoar : Care to share your sources?
49 Lekohawk : I highly doubt that "God" gives a single shit about what I do in my bedroom during the miniscule 80 years I intend to be alive, which on the whole str
50 Bezoar : Why God cares is a mystery. It perhaps the biggest question I have. (See, there are some things that 'religion' cannot answer.) Science is no more an
51 JGPH1A : Ever since Christians stopped being the persecuted and started being the persecutors (around 400 AD IIRC), Christianity has been the easy, no-brainer
52 TACAA320 : Then, you believe in God...
53 Jasepl : LOL! In many situations - such as this one - religion and theology are never any real help help; it is like searching in a dark cellar at midnight fo
54 Post contains images TACAA320 : Thanks for recognize it!
55 TACAA320 : Well, these things do happen once in a while. Maybe this is his first time, but not the last one...
56 Redngold : Here's my BIGGEST problem with this "A Simple Question for Christians" thread... You ask us to defend our stance based on our faith. The you reject th
57 PA110 : Redngold Yes, many of us wholly reject the tennets of your faith. There is precious little middle ground in this argument. As a matter of faith, you d
58 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Redngold, You're the only one from these discussions/arguements (on the side of those who would take the Biblical position) that stuck to my RR list.
59 Post contains images TedTAce : Umm ok, let's think about it this way..can you prove in ANY way shape or form that the concept of God is spelled out for us without a human hand bein
60 Concord977 : This debate is circling forever and never landing.[Edited 2005-05-04 07:12:52]
61 Diamond : RednGold - I do feel bad about the spineless victim comment. I've been trying to get you to hear my point of view and that wasn't the way to do it. I
62 Concord977 : I have to agree with Kevin on this one. I too believe in God. I have more than one Bible in this house. But it is a tool of inspiration, not a resour
63 Lekohawk : I must say that I'm all for the debate continuing. A good debate is fun, and so long as it continues to present fact and opinion respectfully (which,
64 Bezoar : Here's an application.... In John 15:18 Christ speaks, ÒIf the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first." Thes rabid attacks by atheists
65 Jasepl : Good for you Beozar. But why can't you accept that many people are doing just fine the way we are? We don't hate your God, certainly not, and we don'
66 Jaysit : Quoting JAsepl (Reply 66): We don't hate your God, certainly not, and we don't need or want Him to save us from anything. There's nothing to save us f
67 Lekohawk : Hallelujah! Praise Jay(sit)sus!
68 AerorobNZ : For some reason this statement reminded me of something I heard from someone once that was a bit shocking at the time. They said: "I'm not racist, I
69 Bezoar : Please forgive me. I realize now that there really is no interest in discourse here. I was somehow mislead by the initial question. It was clever bai
70 Lekohawk : I said it in another thread, but it bears repeating: The "Word of God" has been preeched to me. My ignorance has been cured. I willingly choose to liv
71 TACAA320 : For Christianity is not just a book. It's the holy book that contains the word of God.[Edited 2005-05-05 18:51:23]
72 TedTAce : John was a MAN right? Written by MEN When are you guys going to stop quoting this book that was written by ignorant men and justify why you have to f
73 TACAA320 : For Christianity is the word of God. Once again, for the Christians. When are you going to respect our religious beliefs?
74 Allstarflyer : Well, to explain why Christians would hold to Scripture in light of your response, the reasons are found in 2 Peter 1:21 and 2 Timothy 3:16. Ooh, wai
75 Bezoar : TedTAce, Lekohawk, Jaysit, etc: If you see our (Christian) position as being weak, why are you PERSONALLY so threatened by it?
76 TACAA320 : The thread was addressed to Christians, and we base our religious beliefs in the Bible. Is not our problem. The problem [if there is any] is from the
77 AerorobNZ : Ignorance and stagnation breeds stupidity (and rednecks). For either side complacency is not a good thing. If it does not change then it does not gro
78 OzarkD9S : Wow. This simple question of mine as degenerated into a religious pissing war. Christians believe what they believe and non-christians do not. And yet
79 JGPH1A : Well maybe you could pray for Pe@rson's hair-stylist - his hair-do is clearly the result of some serious Divine Wrath (probably a plague of locusts o
80 TACAA320 : Maybe that question is not simple at all. But why don't ask, Muslims, Jews or atheists? I know from your original post that you're agnostic, so why a
81 TACAA320 : I´m still waiting for an answer...
82 Logan22L : "If God disapproves of homosexuals, why did He make so many of us?" Ozark: Your question comes across a bit like an indictment of Christianity, in ot
83 Jaysit : If you see our (Christian) position as being weak, why are you PERSONALLY so threatened by it? I personally couldn't care less what you believe as lon
84 TACAA320 : Me personal feeling, is that he will never ever be satisfied with any answer. It´s about time to finish this discussion .
85 Allstarflyer : No kidding. I gave answers directly from Scripture concerning his question. If he can't buy that, he won't get a satisfactory answer. And for those w
86 Mt99 : I qoute scripture as well when i say eating shelfish is a sin. and.. to use urs same words: "If you think that I misrepresented Scripture, either exp
87 Theredbaron : Well, it seems this is going to get a secction 3.... 8-) In my view it boils down to...Are you happy? , do you feel fullfilled? are you pursuing your
88 TedTAce : When you tell me that your beliefs are based on something other then a book. In this forum, MOST are presenting, and I appreciate it, yet some are sp
89 Aerorobnz : I didn't call them rednecks, the rednecks are in addition to them(although there certainly are individuals that could be considered 'overlapping' bot
90 TACAA320 : Don't you get it yet? The key word is faith. Is not to take a look to a book [a holy one]. Is to try to put in practice its lessons. As I said it's n
91 Lekohawk : I'm not threatened by your faith, and I recognize that statement for what it is. As I said I've been exposed to the Christian propaganda machine, and
92 Lekohawk : It's not only difficult, it's impossible to understand. There is no proof there even is a God, let alone that the Bible contains His word. This is si
93 TACAA320 : For a person without faith, it is. Assumption based on serious theological studies of hundreds of years. And once again, having the faith that it is
94 Lekohawk : That's so laughable it makes me ill. No theologian has ever proven the existance of God. Theology doesn't even come close to attempting to prove the
95 TedTAce : Yes it is. It's very difficult to believe that considering NO ONE has claimed that God himself came down here and penned it himself!! You show me pro
96 Post contains links TACAA320 : Can you prove that He doesn't exist. "Put pen to paper, and I'll shut up". Same as above. "G. K. Chesterton, as usual, diagnosed the psychological fl
97 Bezoar : TACAA320, An excellent article! Another part of the problem is this: One does not want to seek God if they think God's law would be opposed to their o
98 Mt99 : Thats impossible as you are asking someone to prove a negative statement, which is imposible. Proving positive statements, however, is possible. So t
99 Jasepl : Amen. Unfortunately, Leo, something tells me we're just going to have to accept that reality and logic are concepts that are beyond certain peoples'
100 TACAA320 : If he is stating that God does NOT exist, the question is perfectly valid in both ways.
101 TACAA320 : Why are you so angry ?
102 TACAA320 : God`s love knows no boundaries.
103 Bezoar : The Bible is quite clear that God's loves for us is abundant no matter what we do. Why that is, I have no idea. We are all sinners. However, the Bibl
104 Post contains images Mt99 : Thank you for proving my point. So what makes you think that people who practices gay sex more "sinners" than people who practise hetersexual sex out
105 Bezoar : These are your words, not mine. I am not the one to judge, and I have not done so in any of my comments.
106 Mt99 : I apologize if you think that i am putting words in your mouth. However, some here seem to have taken this position. Christians (im catholic, btw) ar
107 Bezoar : Apology accepted. Eph. 2:8-9: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith Ñ and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God Ñ not by
108 TedTAce : I agree with the statment Mt99 made.. you can only PROVE what is there. I can prove that we are here and I can prove a LOT of things about the physic
109 Klaus : TACAA, if your faith depends on disproving evolution it´s a lost cause already. The quoted article is rather weak standard fare; If you feel it suffi
110 TACAA320 : Pure convenience. Then don't ask others to prove anything. The line between angriness and frustrations seems to be very tiny.
111 TedTAce : That's the best you got?
112 Allstarflyer : I have to go looking for that thread, else we could start a new one. I found the evolutionary reasoning rather circular, though, I'm always a fan of
113 Post contains images TACAA320 : At least better than yours
114 Bezoar : Christian faith is like a large funnel with a small port. Despite the painful fact that some folks get it wrong, everyone is welcome into the Christi
115 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Nicely stated. -R
116 Post contains images Klaus : Bezoar: Why would anyone choose a faith where 1) you have to admit that you are a sinner, 2) you admit you need help, 3) you have to be willing to sac
117 Bezoar : Klaus, regarding your presentation of the 'fine print:' Christians still have free will, though it is nothing compared to God's will. Their truths are
118 Klaus : The power-hungry "sales force" has degraded their "product" to the point that hypocrisy and bigotry have already cost countless lives and are still tw
119 TACAA320 : Show me something above standard! By the way, what is the standard? Who establish what is standard and what not? You?
120 Post contains links Klaus : TACAA320: Show me something above standard! I´ve not seen any good arguments against evolution so far, just some slightly less weak ones. If you want
121 Bezoar : Klaus, Society is going downhill and AGAINST Christian values, so I guess the other side is winning. The Bible predicted that, too.
122 Klaus : Bezoar: Society is going downhill and AGAINST Christian values, No, the actual christian values have just been taken over by secular humanism. It´s m
123 Bezoar : Bezoar: "Society is going downhill and AGAINST Christian values...." Klaus: "No, the actual christian values have just been taken over by secular huma
124 Aerorobnz : I dare say these were rhetorical, but oh well... No. There are only facets of our individual personalities. No. Because when our bodies die, we cease
125 Padcrasher : Why is it so few of us can look at religion objectively and rationally? It's an obvious hoax. These "Christians" are just fine to be atheists when it
126 Padcrasher : Klaus, you write some very good and well thought out posts.
127 Bezoar : Regarding the existence of a soul: And regarding the soul existing beyond death: Well, Aerorobnz, you have just described yourself as a soul-less mass
128 TedTAce : ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! People of faith who defend the things that directly affect them are not my concern. Believe that toads or Mice are God for all I c
129 Padcrasher : OK, I don't think it's as dire as that. There is always the Golden Rule to live by. Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Most non-bel
130 Bezoar : Padcrasher, you're right in stating that belief does not make something so. In the same way, DISBELIEF DOES NOT MAKE IT FALSE. With no higher authorit
131 Lekohawk : There is a reason the phrase is "burden of proof" and not "burden of disproof". We could spend our entire lives disproving things. That's not how adv
132 Post contains images TedTAce : Oh yeah... I want to spend my eternal life giving thanks.. that sounds like hell to me. My eternal life with nubile, but experienced women... that's
133 Aerorobnz : Ask anyone on othis forum or in real life that knows me, and you'll realise that i think of myself very highly - There are many threads with posts of
134 TedTAce : The one way I accept this: Get rid of child molestors, murderers, and criminals through mind control. The MANY WAYS I won't accept this: Corruption i
135 TedTAce : Quotes from previous thread: Was this a Castro inspired Rant? You know we have moved on to part 2 don't you??
136 TACAA320 : Do you know that the first one is not "officially" closed?
137 TedTAce : Such that it is the bane of my existance, yes.
138 TedTAce : Considering how sad and desperate your posts are getting I WOULD say that I'd pray for you, but I know you wouldn't believe that...
139 TACAA320 : I will do the same for you. Is my obligation as a Christian.
140 Post contains images Lekohawk : LMAO! Good work Aerorobnz!
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