CURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 921 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 944 times:
Iraq has become the Islamic integralism Vs. US war theater. That's not going to make things easy for this troubled country. I'm quite pessimistic, I don't see a way out of it, at least in the close future.
If God had wanted men to fly he would have given them more money...
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 860 times:
Through their patronage in the election process, the general Iraqi populace has demonstrated that they're ready and willing to undergo the work and inherent risk in establishing a democratic government.
It's up to the USA and the powers at large to facilitate this for them... however that goes, will be the fate of the country.
Concord977 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1261 posts, RR: 29 Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 854 times:
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 8): Through their patronage in the election process, the general Iraqi populace has demonstrated that they're ready and willing to undergo the work and inherent risk in establishing a democratic government.
What have you been smoking on your long hiatus away from us?
Concord977 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1261 posts, RR: 29 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 851 times:
What the Iraqi general population has 'demonstrated' is tightly choreographed image that our own occupying forces and administration want us to see, and want us to believe is 'progress' in a country that flirts with anarchy every day.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 849 times:
Quoting Concord977 (Reply 11): What the Iraqi general population has 'demonstrated' is tightly choreographed image that our own occupying forces and administration want us to see
...then why, pray tell, were even some of the most virilently anti-USA/anti-war media sources around the world marvelling at said 'demonstration'?
Quoting Concord977 (Reply 11): and want us to believe is 'progress' in a country that flirts with anarchy every day.
Concord977 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1261 posts, RR: 29 Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 847 times:
If I intended to mean a conspiracy, I would have used the word "conspiracy". Come up with a few of your own words for a change instead of pissing on mine.
Concord977 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1261 posts, RR: 29 Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 843 times:
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 14): ...why work so hard, when the latter's just as effective cher?
Well, working harder would require your brain to engage. Pissing on my words only requires your, er, uh . . . that thing you're probably playing with at the moment.
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 805 times:
Quoting Keesje (Reply 17): Man, today's and yesterdays news, one terrible attack after another, escalation / troops taking revenge/ breaking the rules could grow IMO
By any objective analysis, Iraq is improving, though very slowly. In 2003-2004, all we heard is bad news, but now we are getting some good and bad news. We live in a society that has decibalized war, therefore, every horror will be presented in its full horror. Personally, I wouldn't have it any other way, as it shows the reality of the world we live in, but it isn't fair to the progress that is taking place.
A car bomb makes the news. A school opening, a clinic opening, Iraqis recieving the right to travel... doesn't.
Quoting CURLYHEADBOY (Reply 1): Iraq has become the Islamic integralism Vs. US war theater.
Try... Whabist fundamentalism versus United States liberalism. So easy for those with so much to content themselves when others have so little...
I'm really suprised that someone who spent half their life behind the iron curtain would have the balls to say that... eh well, your right. Enjoy it.
I don't understand Europe. The EU is enjoying amazing prosperity due to the liberal idealogy that the United States helped enforce for more than half a century. We helped you defeat autocracy, imperialism, facism, and communism... but once the coast is clear in Europe, your willing to stop? How selfish is that?
The U.S. spend billions upon billions ensuring liberalism would take root and flourish in Europe. It did, and now Europe is at the highest level of prosperity ever. Liberalism is the only and unequivicaly successful system of governence and you Europeans are living proof of it. Now, why the hell are you so reluctant to export it to the remainder of the world??
FDXMECH From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 38 Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 793 times:
I think the general populace wants to live peacefully.
A group of criminals, terrorists, insurgents or whatever you prefer to call them is desperately trying to create self sustaining chaos. The Shiite majority has shown great self control to avoid this.
People like myself and others on this board want to be proven right, even if being proven correct means Iraq descending into the abyss.
I won't take the actions of a few despicable murderers with their heinous crimes and extrapolate that to mean this is the will of the Iraqi people any more than extrapolate the secret will and sympathies of Americans lie with criminals over here.
Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 781 times:
Quoting FDXMECH (Reply 20): A group of criminals, terrorists, insurgents or whatever you prefer to call them
IMO a good versus bad view is oversimplification.
Remarkably I heard some of the killings are local folks that got their brother / father / son / uncle killed in the first or second Gulf war and are "taking one/a few back" to restore family honor.
Airlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 27 Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 758 times:
Straight to hell were it belongs. At least, unless they DEAL with the insurgetns (see nuke the country and re-start it..)
Chris
Lets do some sexy math. We add you, subtract your clothes, divide your legs and multiply
CORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 754 times:
Iraq will be right back where it started. The US will EVENTUALLY leave and they will resume their old ways of living. Why? Because you can't teach these people democracy in a few years when they have lived a different lifestyle for ALL their lives. Too bad all those deaths of soldiers and civilians will be a waste.
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 750 times:
Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 23): Because you can't teach these people democracy in a few years when they have lived a different lifestyle for ALL their lives
Germany and Japan did it, and it didn't take decades either.
25 AirWillie6475: Which heading did other U.S invaded countries go? Religion is a bitch though so it might take the Iraqi's longer to adapt.
26 Klaus: DfwRevolution: Germany and Japan did it, and it didn't take decades either. Yes, it did. And both cases were fundamentally different from Iraq in indi
27 JGPH1A: We already did - remember all the British, German, French, Spanish, Italian etc etc empires ? That was us, exporting our political system to the worl
28 Jasepl: ROFL ! Still toeing the party line I see ! Unfortunately, they didn't stop there. Us colonials now have to live with some particularly scary 'exports
29 JGPH1A: To have been granted the privilege of that most noble of pulses, the baked bean, by itself justifies the half millennium of oppression that it took t
30 Falcon84: It should have been up to them, in the first place, Bravo7E7. We shouldn't have stuck our nose into their nation. We had no right to do what we did.
31 Jasepl: Ha ha ha ha ! This should be directed towards QantasForever ! That would be fun !
32 JGPH1A: I agree - he should kneel and kiss the Queen's feet in gratitude to the English for introducing the meat pie to his barren and hostile continent
33 QANTASforever: HEY - I HEARD THAT!! I would rather kiss a manky pigeon than kiss the feet of that incompetent, incapable, delusional, twisted, archaic woman. She mak
35 Jasepl: LMFAO ! Good job WFF ! I knew you would bite ! God save the Queen ! Vive la Reine !
36 QANTASforever: Oh yeah, clap clap buddy. You were winding me up? I had no idea!! (ffs.....) QFF
37 JGPH1A: Just ignore me - you know I only do it to annoy you ! You are SO easy to wind up, just push the buttons and hey presto ! And you KNOW I do love Austr
38 QANTASforever: Geez, you just don't get it do you? Why do you think I keep responding to obvious wind ups? Could it be that I enjoy the conflict that is generated by
40 Logan22L: Strangely, I see the relevance of baked beans and meat pies to the future of Iraq. Logan
41 Jasepl: Well, it's not enough to just transform the political structure of the country. If you're going to do it, you may as well do it right ! So, no more s
42 JGPH1A: It is precisely because I love Australia that I endeavour ceaselessly to point out and correct the one blind spot in her citizens' normally broad and
43 QANTASforever: So, you're on a crusade to make Australians consider their nation the subject of humour? I certainly don't like that one bit. Nations should not be t
44 JGPH1A: I hope you're not serious. Nothing in this world can be sacrosanct, least of all political structures or entities of any description. If the populati
45 QANTASFOREVER: I love how this conversation has veered off in a completely different direction. Anyway.... It is illogical to disrespect what I believe is the spirit
46 JGPH1A: Um, QFF... it was a meat pie joke. Nobody died, OK ? Take deep breaths...
47 DeskPilot: QFF has been very restrained lately. However, occasionaly he has to vent
48 JGPH1A: I can see why that would be necessary. Presumably heavy-set men and a canvas long-sleeved jacket were involved ?
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