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Race Riots In 2001? Shape Up, England.  
User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4781 posts, RR: 23
Posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

BRADFORD, England -- Several people have been arrested and two have been stabbed during clashes between Asians and white people in another northern British town.

Riot police were called in to disperse crowds that had gathered in Centenary Square, in Bradford, on Saturday.

Chief Superintendent Phil Read condemned the violence and said officers were working to restore order.

Read told a press conference on Saturday evening that 18 people had been arrested and rejected allegations that police had dealt with the disorder in a heavy-handed manner.

He said: "Over the last four hours there have been sporadic but continuing outbreaks of disorder and violence involving predominantly young men.

"A number of people have been injured and there has been damage to shops and other properties in and around the city centre.

"We condemn violence from any quarter - there is no excuse for criminal behaviour.

"We have arrested 18 people so far -- 10 white men, a white woman and seven Asian men, mainly in connection with public order offences.

"Troublemakers, both local and from outside Bradford, appear determined to commit criminal acts despite the best efforts of the police, the council and responsible members of the community."

He added: "Inquiries have revealed at this stage that two white men have received knife injuries.

"One man suffered a slash wound to his back and the other received a stab wound to a leg."

UK Home Secretary David Blunkett last week banned a far-right National Front march planned in Bradford on Saturday.

The Anti-Nazi League also warned that it plans to hold a counter-demonstration.

Community leaders in Bradford, which has an Asian population of about 100,000, appealed for calm.

A police spokesman told the Press Association that despite the trouble, there had been no large turnout of National Front supporters, although five had been persuaded to turn back when they arrived at Bradford railway station.

Witnesses in the town centre said the trouble was sparked off after a group of white men came out of a city centre pub and began shouting racial insults.

It prompted a group of mainly Asian youths to charge up Westgate and a fight broke out which spilled into the neighbouring streets.

Tahir Hussein, 28, of Bradford, told the Press Association: "The whole thing has kicked off. Some white lads were calling us Pakis and it's all gone off from there.

"There's lots of youths running around the streets and the police seem to have lost control."

Riot police were pelted with bricks, stones and road signs when they moved in to try to restore order.

Trouble later flared in the Manningham area of Bradford.

Petrol bombs were thrown at police and burning barricades were set up in Whiteabbey Road as troublemakers were dispersed from the city centre.

Mounted police were brought into the area and the police helicopter hovered overhead as the violence continued.

Mohammed Mir, 29, of Manningham, told PA: "The police have just been too heavy-handed. The young lads have seen only Asians being arrested and they've reacted.

"What has gone on has been terrible but the police have only got themselves to blame.

"We heard that the National Front turned up and beat up an Asian lad and that's why the Asian lads kicked off.

"The police just handled it all wrong. They were dressed in riot gear and just hyped all the Asian lads up. If they left the area and let the leaders get on with it, it would all end."

Community leader Mohammed Riaz said the situation was out of control.

"What is happening here is terrible. Businesses are being attacked, cars are being set on fire and I cannot believe these scenes are taking place in a city in England.

"There's no logic to this. Where is the protest, where are the National Front?

"There is no justification for this -- they are setting back Bradford 10 years.

"Now is not the time but questions will have to be asked afterwards -- how have the police allowed a peaceful demonstration to disintegrate into this?"

In recent weeks there have been violent clashes in a number of northern towns, including Leeds, Burnley and Oldham.



Hearing about this for the last few months has been very disturbing. What the hell is wrong with these people? Is race really such a factor in this year of 2001? Heck, we're all immigrants if we look back to some point in time. I am feeling very ashamed of my British citizenship at this point.

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User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1008 times:

I object to your post it came accross as native Brits are mis-behaving. However after reading Yahoo News I noticed this:

Hundreds of officers battled around 1,000 youths of Bangladeshi and Pakistani origin who threw bricks and stabbed a police horse during the violence, that began on Saturday

Television stations showed a white man being chased by young Asian men, surrounded, beaten then stabbed. Two white men received knife injuries. Six people were admitted to hospital with injuries ranging from a broken ankle to stabbing.


I do understand that they where provoked but by no means should anyone take the law into their own hands!!
Iain



User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

This isn't a race problem, this is a Muslim problem. The white locals get on fine with the Hindus etc. The Muslims have been attacking the Hindus and causing trouble generally, and this has caused the mindless National Front people to get involved.


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

"Hundreds of officers battled around 1,000 youths of Bangladeshi and Pakistani origin who threw bricks and stabbed a police horse during the violence, that began on Saturday "

And did anyone notice that most if not all violence and problems caused at the One day international cricket matches recently where only occuring whrn Pakistan where playing?

No probs in the England Vs Australia match...

LGW


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 997 times:

I don't mean to offend anyone, but having lived in the Middle East for many years, and having fallen in love with the place, I can say that in general the saner Muslims live in the Middle East, and the twisted fundamentalists seem to live in the UK or elsewhere.

Also, to all Pakistanis - your understanding of Islam has been corrupted by your hate for India - GROW UP and practice Islam properly according to The Book. You are giving your religion a bad name.....

Just my 0.3 Euros.....



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13195 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

It's made worse by the Police tactic of 'containment', which is all very well, if a bit rough for the law-abiding people in that area.
If in a part of the UK, (Northern Ireland), petrol-bombs are met by plastic bullets, why are they not used on the mainland? Every major UK force has them. They would disperse the rioters, allowing the police to go in much quicker, make more arrests, and generally bring things under control much quicker.
Failing that, what about water cannon?
Just standing there, or moving forward very slowly and getting pelted, only allows the rioters to increase in numbers, get more missiles and make more petrol bombs.
However the Police claim that their tactics allow better video surveillance, leading to more arrests later, with stronger cases against the accused. OK, but whatever happened to keeping the peace for the vast majority of law-abiding citizens?
IMHO, if they went in hard, made loads of arrests and generally gave the rioters, whatever their race or creed, a good hiding, you would not see these events happening so often.
On the other side of the coin, is it now time to treat groups like the National Front as terrorist organisations? They clearly are instigating these riots.




User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 975 times:

Geez, what's going on? According to CNN and Dan Rather, America is the only place in the world that has intolerence. In fact, in every 200+ larger cities in America, hundreds or nationalities, cultures and religions live within the same borders like no where else in the world and its a warzone every day. Thanks for telling it like it is Dan.

(The following post was for Joona's amusement.)



"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 950 times:

Yes, well Dan Rather and all of the other media talkingheads are just spewing leftist anti-American propaganda and sometimes I literally get sick from hearing some of the stuff they broadcast.

User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4781 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 950 times:

That was actually part of the reason I posted this, so that people realize that intolerance is not isolated to only one country in particular.

User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 946 times:

The thing is, I abhor racism, but the events going on in Bradford go beyond this. In this scenario, a sizeable proportion of the blame has to go to the Asians who have been driving whites out of their home and attacking white businesses. It all kicked off when an elderly white man was beaten to within an inch of his life by a gang of Asians.

This is totally different to the racism displayed towards blacks in some areas (thankfully a minority of areas) where this kind of racism is mindless intolerance by a few idiots. However, in the case of Bradford, there are deep-rooted social problems which I can go further into but it would require a long post and some understanding about the ease with which immigrants can come to the UK and manipulate the social welfare system here.



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 945 times:

Ryanb741 I could not have said it better!
Iain


User currently offlineGo canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 938 times:

ryanb i couldnt have said that better either.

the 'riots' in bradford seem to have been nothing for than youths decideding to take on the police as for the england shaping its self up..i beg to differ we live in Britain, not england and our race problems are not as seriuos as france or germany. in fact in eu polls and europe wide surverys we have the lowest racism in europe and we are in a muti-cultural society.

the problem is that to get rid of racism, you dont have seperate groups, you have one group, that way nobody is different and in britain things are a lot better, however a number of youth-led asian groups in the north dont seem to want to intergrate, in fact they want to be different as soon as this happened, the idots @ the bnp and the national front seized their chance and started the fights.

its now turned into asians against the world with problems between the afro-carribean communities and asians and muslims against hindus. the problem in bradford is very complex because so many different cultures live there.idiots like the bnp and national front see an opportunity and make it worse, like they did in oldham and soem people are stupid enough to think that the bnp and national front are sticking up for whites that have been attacked, like the old man who happended to be a war hero in the north of england. the problem is that it isnt as simple as that.

people need to be educate-idiots see enthic groups settling and think they are stealing jobs or taking benefits, but they are, work goes to the person who is best qualified and if an asian is better qualified for a job then they should get it. if a person escaped kosovo or iraq or any where in the world because they are in danager of being killed because of their ideas then we have a right to protect these people.

the issue in bradford needs calm rational debate, not as imagine of one group always being wrong(well the bnp and national front are always wrong, there is no arguement against that) and it doesnt help to have people say oh england sort yourselves out, that protrays a picture of gangs running amok all over the country.

britain is more tolerant than most countries and long may it remian



It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13195 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 925 times:

Well I was brought up in a multi-racial area, these problems don't really exsist in my part of the UK. Which points to the social problems affecting all in those areas as being a factor, though not an excuse.
The likes of the NF and BNP don't pick up many votes around here, they don't even bother to stand in most seats, the BNP got a pathetic 705 votes where I live. A sign of healthy racial intregration. Of course better opportunities make young Asians more socially mobile and westernised.
Last riot here was Southall in 1981, we knew it was going to happen.
The stupid owner of a pub let a Nazi-Skinhead band play there, leading up to the concert the shaven-headed glue-sniffing morons caused lot's of trouble in the area, the response was inevitable.
No surprise the pub got torched, policing-wise that was a different era, and not for positive reasons.
It's significant that Asian community leaders in Bradford have not attacked the Police for being heavy-handed, just the opposite, they want water-cannon to be used.
Good to see Blunkett considering this, and not pandering to the Hampstead trendies who don't have to live in these areas.
IMHO, throwing a petrol-bomb at anyone should be considered as attempted murder.


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