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Britishers: Which Party Do The Chavs Vote For?  
User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2213 times:

Election 5 May 2005 in the UK for those here who didn't know.

I have heard about the chavs and neds on this forum, though I have never met one. I am curious to know with which party they are aligned with in the UK.

If we had them in the United States, I suppose they would vote for the Republicans because of their xenophobic tendencies.


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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2202 times:

Quoting ACAfan (Thread starter):
Britishers:

Say what?

Quoting ACAfan (Thread starter):
curious to know with which party they are aligned with in the UK.

Any party where there is free booze. To be honest, they lack the intellectual ability to vote in a GE.



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User currently offlineRyangooner From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 969 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 2198 times:

Yes i agree they lack the ability to realise there is an election on...

Having said that the Chav's i get to mingle with on a daily basis would cast their vote for the British National Party (BNP).

Ryan



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User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Isn't BNP one of those farce parties, or do they have a shot at winning at least one seat?

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 1):
Quoting ACAfan (Thread starter):
Britishers:

Say what?

brit-ish-er (n) : a native or inhabitant of Great Britain [syn: Britisher, Briton, Brit]



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Quoting ACAfan (Thread starter):
If we had them in the United States, I suppose they would vote for the Republicans because of their xenophobic tendencies.

Im an immigrant to the USA from Europe and im a Republican. I have no idea what the hell your talking about. I suspect they would vote democrat because they would think its the 'cool' thing to do...at least here in illinois  Silly


User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

I do not bash Republicans. I just noted that xenophobic, racist, anti-immigration types typically vote for the Republicans.

The actual Republicans themselves (and the vast majority of voters for either party) are reasonable, intelligent human beings.



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User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

Quoting ACAfan (Reply 3):
Isn't BNP one of those farce parties, or do they have a shot at winning at least one seat?

Not a farce party but very serious. They preach white British supremacy and attract quite a following. They have made small inroads in local politics, mainly in places with large mixed populations. It is possible that they could get one or two voted in nationally. They may have some valid points, but on the whole they preach division and hatred. They tend to attract some of the more unpleasant people in society as their supporters.


Britishers is not a term that the British would use.


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Quoting ACAfan (Thread starter):
If we had them in the United States, I suppose they would vote for the Republicans because of their xenophobic tendencies.

above all else chavs would love to sponge off the system and do nothing for themselves right? they probably also have some idealistic belief about world peace and some other crap that is nothing more than a pipe dream.

That would make the Democrats.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Quoting Saintsman (Reply 6):
It is possible that they could get one or two voted in nationally.

No, it isn't. It's extremely unlikely. The odd council ward where their message reaches fertile ground is always possible, but over 70,000 people in a constituency, no.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6840 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Chavs vote? They couldn't spell 'x'.

Anyway, they'll all be out getting p*ssed anyway.

As for previous discussions about the BNP, there is always the fear that their presence will increase, in terms of votes if not the winning of a seat, because none of the main parties satisfy those who may gravitate towards the BNP or, worse, none of the main parties satisfy the population as a whole so lots just don't bother voting.

Quoting Banco (Reply 8):
but over 70,000 people in a constituency

If the turnout in a constituency is only 50% or even less and the vote is split between 3 or 4 parties it is not impossible for enough fed up people to vote in the "wrong" person.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 9):
If the turnout in a constituency is only 50% or even less and the vote is split between 3 or 4 parties it is not impossible for enough fed up people to vote in the "wrong" person.

Of course not. But it's never happened yet. And whilst, in the words of equity managers everywhere, past performance is no guarantee of future success, the fact that no extremist party has ever gained a seat at Westminster means that it remains unlikely.



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Quoting ACAfan (Thread starter):
I have heard about the chavs and neds on this forum, though I have never met one. I am curious to know with which party they are aligned with in the UK.

Ask Banco. He's the ultimate chav  Wink



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User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 11):
Of course not. But it's never happened yet. And whilst, in the words of equity managers everywhere, past performance is no guarantee of future success, the fact that no extremist party has ever gained a seat at Westminster means that it remains unlikely.

I agree that it is unlikely, but who would have thought that they would ever be represented locally? With voter apathy in some of these places, coupled with tactical voting and a well orchastrated campaign it is possible that some may make the national stage.

There will no doubt be lots of complaints if it does happen. I'm not sure it is a good or bad thing but if it does happen perhaps people won't waste their votes in future. They'll only have themselves to blame.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

That wasnt me that said that  Wow!


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User currently offlineSQNo1 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

The chavs wouldnt vote, its the thing that wouldnt really intrest them. They would prbably sell their vote and then sepnd their money on a new pair of white trainers or stupid ugly baseball cap.

With Reagrds,
Alex.B


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

Quoting Saintsman (Reply 12):
I agree that it is unlikely, but who would have thought that they would ever be represented locally? With voter apathy in some of these places, coupled with tactical voting and a well orchastrated campaign it is possible that some may make the national stage.

I don't know. There have been what might be euphemistically termed "special interest" parties gaining seats at the local level for a long time. You even see independents quite regularly in local government, but hardly ever (Martin Bell excepted) in Parliament itself. It is usually possible for the likes of the BNP to win in wards where there is a significant level of racial tension, but that's unlikely to be replicated across the whole constituency. Again, it's possible, but even Oswald Mosley lost his seat the first time he tried to fight under the fascist banner.

Likewise, the BNP's predessors, the National Front, fought over 500 constituencies in the 1979 election (racial tension was probably worse then that now) and lost their deposits in all but a handful of locations. They never came within a mile of winning a seat, and they won't this time around either.

A council ward consists of a few hundred electors, no more. Even then, there is a turn out of around 20%, meaning that a well-orchestrated campaign can work. Over 35,000 electors (assuming 50% turnout) that's very hard indeed, particularly as if they ever did get close, you can be sure lots of people will vote tactically to keep them out - i.e. Labour supporters voting Conservative, which wouldn't normally happen. Add to that, for the BNP to have a chance, there must be racial strife. If there's racial strife, then a substantial proportion of the electorate will be non-white. Clearly, the BNP won't get anything from them.

Quoting Saintsman (Reply 12):
There will no doubt be lots of complaints if it does happen. I'm not sure it is a good or bad thing but if it does happen perhaps people won't waste their votes in future. They'll only have themselves to blame.

This is what has happened where BNP members have been elected to local councils. There tends to be a surge in turnout and they get kicked out.

It is always possible that one could get a Parliamentary seat, but the system tends to prevent it. There has not been a single member elected for an extremist party, either right or left, ever, since the Great Reform Act of 1832. Someone like George Galloway has a far better chance than the BNP, and he won't come anywhere near either.



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User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 15):
There has not been a single member elected for an extremist party, either right or left, ever, since the Great Reform Act of 1832.

Banco. You are a mine of information! Lets hope you're right.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 13):
That wasnt me that said that

Of course you didn't - its far too clever for you  Wink


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