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US Border Patrol Agents Arrested In Mexico  
User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Two Border Patrol agents are detained in Mexicali, a border city in Baja California. They are accused of having illegal ammunition in their car when traveling in Mexico.

As most of you know, Mexico guns and ammunition laws are quite different from the USA. It's a federal offense to have guns & ammunitions without the express permission of the Mexican Army. That's why Americans traveling to our country are often reminded that their legally owned arms are illegal once they are inside Mexican territory.

I guess these two officers made a mistake and they will soon released. Thankfully, we don't have our very own version of Bill O'Reilly who would be screaming against these "American invaders" who are breaking our laws.  Wink
These incidents always happen even between good neighbors.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americ...5/03/mexico.usagents.ap/index.html

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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Thankfully, we don't have our very own version of Bill O'Reilly who would be screaming against these "American invaders" who are breaking our laws.

Hehe. Nor does you country have heavily armed trigger-happy vigilantes awaiting illegal invaders.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 1):
Hehe. Nor does you country have heavily armed trigger-happy vigilantes awaiting illegal invaders.

Bullshit, Texan. Border patrol can't do the job, why not. It's tresspassing anyway. Good for them.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Border patrol can't do the job, why not. It's tresspassing anyway. Good for them.

Totally agree. Washington can’t do the job. I grew up in South Texas and saw illegal immigrants firsthand on a daily basis. I’m just making a slap at the mentality of most participating in Arizona’s ‘minute men’ project.

I say that because they are trigger-happy, they are armed, and they are awaiting illegal invaders.

Having said that, I’ve yet to hear any stories about minute men even touching illegals. Their ideology going into this project was to simply point illegal invaders out to the Border Patrol.


User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

I remember a guy who got arrested for entering Mexico with a couple of .22 shells in his car. He ended up in Mexican jail until his wife could get him out - 6 months later.

Strange how anything goes in Mexico (including ridiculously large fireworks), yet carrying a gun down there will get you sh*t-canned indefinately.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 3):
Having said that, I’ve yet to hear any stories about minute men even touching illegals. Their ideology going into this project was to simply point illegal invaders out to the Border Patrol.

Let's hope that doesn't change. As soon as it does, any credibility this organization has will be gone . . . and they will be ordered to disband. So far so good, but I think it only a matter of time . . . .


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 1):
Hehe. Nor does you country have heavily armed trigger-happy vigilantes awaiting illegal invaders.

Don't get me started on those yahoo's, FlyingTexan.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Bullshit, Texan. Border patrol can't do the job, why not. It's tresspassing anyway. Good for them.

Sorry, my friend, but I have to disagree with you on this one. It's a border travesty, just waiting to happen, when you get people like they're getting on the border. It's vigilantism, any way you slice it.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 3):
Having said that, I’ve yet to hear any stories about minute men even touching illegals. Their ideology going into this project was to simply point illegal invaders out to the Border Patrol.

That is true, but you know as well as I do, that it only takes one idiot, who's got a beef with illegals, to take something too far, and end up with a tragedy on our hands. It's virtually inevitable, when you allow amateurs to do a job that our government should be doing.

And, ANC, I see we found common ground on the "matter of time" part.  Smile


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
It's vigilantism, any way you slice it.

While I think the picture perfect definition probably fits, it is also protection of private property. A legal right of every person. . .

As was documented in news reports the illegal border crossers have done damage to property - that is a crime. Protecting one's property is not. At least not in Texas and Alaska. And I can "hire" whomever I want to do it. So, legally they are within their rights under federal and state law.

I do believe, however, the shit will hit the fan there sooner or later. Unfortunately. The status quo will not last forever. So far, so good.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Protecting one's property is not. At least not in Texas and Alaska. And I can "hire" whomever I want to do it. So, legally they are within their rights under federal and state law.

If you do shoot someone, however, it has to be because they are physically threatening you, not just walking on an open field. That is still illegal



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
If you do shoot someone, however, it has to be because they are physically threatening you, not just walking on an open field. That is still illegal

Quite correct - almost.

According to Alaska law (and Texas I'm sure) they can simply be stealing your shit, no threat to you physically, and you can fire at will. I had a post on this a while back - don't feel like looking up the exact statute - again - just gotta take my word . . . .

Firing at anyone in a field for target practice is, however, a no no . . . .


User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1822 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 1):
Hehe. Nor does you country have heavily armed trigger-happy vigilantes awaiting illegal invaders.

Couldn't agree more. This whole "idea" is ridiculous. Get people who are trained to do this job out there, NOT private citizens who are for one racists to begin with and who don't have a problem shooting innocent. Of course, a white man shooting a mexican doesn't make the news here but if it was the other way around, it would be ALL over the place. As long as they aren't being a direct physical threat to you, there is NO reason why private citizens should be taking this matter into their own hands.

As for the topic here, Mexico does have very strict weapons laws.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Bullshit, Texan. Border patrol can't do the job, why not. It's tresspassing anyway. Good for them.

I must say, EXPECTED. If border patrol can't do their job, they need to find OFFICIALS who can do the job, not private citizens. And it is "trespassing" by the way.


User currently offlineJamesAg96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

I for one am happy the minute men did what they did...for one thing it has progressed smoothly with no violence, the number of illegals has fallen way off in the areas patroled by these guys, and it has drawn much needed media attention.


Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineGreyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
Sorry, my friend, but I have to disagree with you on this one. It's a border travesty, just waiting to happen, when you get people like they're getting on the border. It's vigilantism, any way you slice it.

I agree and disagree with you Falcon.... It's vigilantism, and a travesty just waiting to happen allright. People with no formal training not under any real supervision playing Wyatt Earp out in the desert..... But I can't blame people for getting fed up with the illegal immigration problem, at least in AZ where I'm from. When the state government struggles with education and health care problems, among other things, and THEN has to worry about the (how many million cross each year illegally? Sorry, I don't have the official figures) prospect of having to take care of, at least temporarily, the masses of illegal aliens all over the state... I guess there's just so much you can handle.

So far, from what I can tell... they are doing a good job near the border... I've heard they provide water, and maybe a little bit of food to those trying to sneak in, AND they notify local law enforcement/the U.S. Border Patrol to come pick them up. I do worry about that person we haven't heard of yet getting too itchy with his trigger finger and popping off a couple shots...

BTW... I don't care about LEGAL immigration... if you want to come in and do it legally, great. Diversity is what makes this country so good (IMHO). But if you can't even wait to cross legally, why should this country take care of you and give you benefits? We have our own problems without giving more lawbreakers comforts that WE can't afford. I heard a report a while ago (can't remember where... sorry) about 'halfway houses' popping up all over the PHX area as a means to smuggle illegals in. I wonder what's worse... people coming in ILLEGALLY, or those who profit off their misery when they promise to get them in for $xxx?

As far as the two knotheads go that got caught with ammo inside Mexico... if you're going to be a retard like those two, you're going to pay the consequences. They should have known better.

[Edited 2005-05-06 19:34:43]

[Edited 2005-05-06 19:36:28]


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