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What Happens If Israel Bombs Iran?  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

What happens if we turn on CNN tomorrow morning and we hear that Israel bombed Iran's nuclear facilities? A lot of skeptics have claimed that Israel isn't capable of pulling it off, but military wise they have the aircraft, submarines, and weapons to pull it off.

Do you think that it will be similiar to Iraq in the 80s when the Arab world quietly breathed a sign of collective relief that Saddam wouldn't get weapons? Or do you think Iran might risk a counterattack against Israel and risk bringing the US into the war (since between Israel and Iran lies Iraq and 135,000 US troops).

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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2470 times:

All hell breaks loose...

Simple as that.


User currently offlineGreyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 1):
All hell breaks loose...

Simple as that

ditto...



29th, Let's Go!
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 1):
All hell breaks loose...

Simple as that.

I don't know...You could have said the same thing in 1981 before Israel bombed Iraq's reactor and very little happened (except for the UN condemnation, but what's new).


User currently offlineGreyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

With the situation in the Middle East as it is now, I would think Iran would react much more strongly against Israel than Iraq did. Would they be afraid of drawing the U.S. into it? I don't think so.


29th, Let's Go!
User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Hmm...
Well...
They bombed a Nuclear installation in Iraq in the mid 80's which was succesful.

It's hard to say, I think Israels self protection policy would grow into selfish behavior if they did so.
Israel has great respect of Iran, not their rule, but their people, the two has a history of trust and friendship, many Jews from Iran and in Iran.

They are planning it, but it is only as a last resort. Depends on how and what will happen.

But if we were to wake up "tomorrow" then it would be a failed mission no matter the outcome.

If Iran turns aggressive, then it might be for the best???? I don't know.
Can't stand the thought of aggression being a resort, no matter it's place in time!

Boaz...



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21801 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

I think things would get pretty messy, at least diplomatically.

Israel bombing Iran would be bad for the US, because the entire world knows that we supported it. Europe wouldn't like it at all (they'd get over it soon enough though), but the main problem is that it might start an all-out war between Israel and the terrorist groups in the area, maybe even some of the countries. Israel would win that war, but it would be bloody, and many civilian lives would be lost.

Now that I think about it, it may even be better for the US and Israel if we did it. Wouldn't be good for Iraq though - you'd see the insurgency there flare up right away.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6912 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

It would be one less temptation for our present administration to deploy troops in Iran, which I feel is sadly inevitable.

I think Iran is unstable and doesn't need military intervention.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
but the main problem is that it might start an all-out war between Israel and the terrorist groups in the area,

You act as if there is peace now between Israel and the terrorist groups that seek to destroy it.

Quoting Slider (Reply 7):
It would be one less temptation for our present administration to deploy troops in Iran, which I feel is sadly inevitable.

Nonsense. The US would never be able to invade and control Iran. Everyone knows this. A fullscale US invasion is hardly an option, nor would it be effective for the mission at hand (Stopping Iran from getting nukes).


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

Well, as diplomatic efforts have really gotten everyone nowhere, is it the opinion of those on a.net that it would be a better option to just allow Iran to have Nuclear Weapons ?

Talk about a dodgy situation in the world if they are allowed to have them.
J


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Why do you always start threads like this? You know they will just get a reaction, first from people like you who say Israel can do no wrong even though it is obvious that they are one of the top terrorist nations in the world (yeah, I said it), then it will get a response from me, one of the few Iranians, and then one of the many Arabs. How about you give up your racist, hawkish, murder-sponsoring threads and post about something else?

If you want the true answer to this, here it is. If Israel did this, they would be in for a major conflict, one they would lose as Iran has strategic position, a large, well trained military and the strongest Air Force in the region (with the possible exception of Israel). They also have some of the strongest nationalism that exists. In fact, you want to guarentee that a$$holes like Khamnei and Rafsanjani stay in power?? Have Israel attack Iran. That is what happened when Iraq invaded Iran, and it is what would happen now, because Iranians would unite to fight that kind of breach of sovereignty. The only way Israel would win in such a conflict would be if they used their nuclear weapons, which would of course gain instant international scorn and condemnation, even from the U.S. and instantly lose them any support they have in the world. So, you wanted the truth in this thread, you got it. Now stop posting racist crap like this.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineEDKA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Quoting Artsyman (Reply 9):
Well, as diplomatic efforts have really gotten everyone nowhere, is it the opinion of those on a.net that it would be a better option to just allow Iran to have Nuclear Weapons ?

No, my opinion is that Iran should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons.
I believe that the less countries that have it, the better.

For me, the point is simple:
The ones that already have it - there is nothing we can do about it. Well, actually we can ask them to get rid of it, but it will never happen.

New nukes = new problems...
I think the world has enough problems to sort out already...


User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

EDKA totally!!

But I think this thread is kinda strange, as this scenario is something we don't want to see.

Boaz...



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21801 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 8):
You act as if there is peace now between Israel and the terrorist groups that seek to destroy it.

There's certainly no peace at the present time, but from what I can see there is somewhat of a quiet period between the two. I may be wrong, but that's the feeling that I'm getting

In any case, whether there is a calm period there right now or not, Israel attacking Iran would only increase the level of violence.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineLibtardslayer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2327 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
What happens if we turn on CNN tomorrow morning and we hear that Israel bombed Iran's nuclear facilities? A lot of skeptics have claimed that Israel isn't capable of pulling it off, but military wise they have the aircraft, submarines, and weapons to pull it off.

We should definitely support Israel 100%. They are a free country and tyranny has no place in the world. I know I'll get some flames from antisemetic people, but so be it.


User currently offlineEDKA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
You know they will just get a reaction, first from people like you who say Israel can do no wrong even though it is obvious that they are one of the top terrorist nations in the world (yeah, I said it)

N1120A - your comments are way out of line, WTF do you think you are calling the WHOLE NATION terrorists?? Talking about racism and generalisation...


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
Why do you always start threads like this? You know they will just get a reaction, first from people like you who say Israel can do no wrong even though it is obvious that they are one of the top terrorist nations in the world (yeah, I said it), then it will get a response from me, one of the few Iranians, and then one of the many Arabs. How about you give up your racist, hawkish, murder-sponsoring threads and post about something else?

If it bothers you so much, don't react. Simple decision methinks. And a little hypocrisy by including ....

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
even though it is obvious that they are one of the top terrorist nations in the world

That, which surely you must know, will also provoke others to react?

7LBAC111



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2262 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Quoting EDKA (Reply 15):
N1120A - your comments are way out of line, WTF do you think you are calling the WHOLE NATION terrorists?? Talking about racism and generalisation...

Is N1120A's racism new to you?



2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

French and anti-semitic? Nah, can't be  Wink

If Israel is smart they plan to take out Iran's nuclear capability but don't execute those plans unless Iran actively threatens and prepares to use that capability.
And as Israel is quite smart that's most likely what they're doing.

But of course the anti-Israeli conspiracy theorists will insist that the Nazi regime in Tel Aviv is just waiting for an excuse to murder some more peaceful Muslims.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8031 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Public diplomatic reaction: "We condemn this act by the Zionist imperialists."

Private diplomatic reaction: "We're so glad that Iran is no longer able to threaten the oilfields on the southern coast of the Persian Gulf." Not mention relief in Europe that they won't be within range of Iranian nuclear-armed missiles.


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2262 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 18):
French and anti-semitic? Nah, can't be

If I recall correctly he is Amercian , who is ashamed of his nation.



2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
If you want the true answer to this, here it is. If Israel did this, they would be in for a major conflict, one they would lose as Iran has strategic position, a large, well trained military and the strongest Air Force in the region (with the possible exception of Israel). They also have some of the strongest nationalism that exists

In a word, no. Iran has no effective means of retaliating militarily against Israel, period. What they do have is offset by Israel's respective defensive measures (ballistic defence system etc.).

This is not to say that I necessarily condone any Israeli action against Iran, but fact is (again, speaking from a strictily military perspective), Israel has the ability to strike Iranian targets and 'get away with it'.


LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 17):
Is N1120A's racism new to you?

...or is the gratuitious, jaded, trite (and more-often-than-not: horrifically mangled) use of the word "racism" new to anyone?  Yeah sure


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
What happens if we turn on CNN tomorrow morning and we hear that Israel bombed Iran's nuclear facilities?

Israel would be in for the fight of its life. Bush would be forced to choose sides in a region where several presidents have tried to broker peace (Carter, Clinton and now Bush - with his sentiments of creating a separate Palestinian state - come to mind), not that Bush is concerned about winning new friends among nations like Syria and Iran. Muslims around the Middle East would unite (to one degree or another - it would probably be a pretty solid sense of unity) Palestinians would step up terrorist bombings. Syria would resort to greater subterfuge. War would break out in Lebanon, as it would be a hotly contested area with Israel military aircraft already (if I'm not mistaken) flying over Lebanese airspace. Ties with Turkey and other nations (with whom Israel has loose or lukewarm ties - I'm thinking Saudi Arabia would be best described here, too) would collapse. Terrorists would flood nations like Jordan, even Egypt, looking for a closer shot at Israel. The UN would weakly try to step in. The US and Britain would probably support Israel from afar. France would continue its policy of trying to subtley support Arab countries. The EU would, as a whole, condemn Israel. And the Iranians would turn life into misery for US troops in Iraq as they would push toward Israel. Air battles would ensue over Jordan and Iraq. Israel would then crush the Iranian Air Force and commence heavy bombing of Iran. Arabs everywhere would then unite en masse and commence terrorist bombings around the world against Jews and their allies (especially here). Arabs would also seek to commence terrorist bombings en masse in Israel. Forces from several Arab countries would then assemble for a ground war. Israel would then threaten the Arab world (and any allies of theirs) with nuclear weapons. And then . . . , well, I'm a Christian, and to me, that would signal some pretty notable events to follow, though others would not see it as such. But even if others didn't see it as such, it would be a major conflict in the Middle East, and it would provoke other conflicts (to various degrees) worldwide.

That's what would happen.  Wink

-R


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8171 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

Why is it a bad idea for Iran to have nukes, but it's OK for the likes of Israel and Pakistan?

And why is it "anti-semitic" to oppose what Israel does to the Palestinians? If Israel was the national expression of Buddism instead of Judiasm, would any critic be less critical? No.



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25 Yyz717 : Iran is an undemocratic nasty regime aligned with and supporting many terrorist groups. It should be prevented from gaining nuclear weapons. However,
26 Post contains images Jwenting : So he's french at heart
27 N1120A : No, I was not calling the whole nation terrorists, unless every single time people like LY7E7, RJpieces, KiwiNanday and the like call Iran a terroris
28 EDKA : Cedarjet like i have mentioned in my earleir message, the reason i believe its a bad idea for Iran to have nukes its because i strongly believe that
29 Cedarwings : Israel will never perform such a stupid act while the pro-Iranian Hizbollah party still direct thousands of rockets (still with unknown warhead types)
30 Post contains images LY7E7 : When did I say that? Have you looked up KiwiNanday's age in his profile before getting into a serious discussion with him? Try being mature. Coming u
31 N1120A : I never have done that. I don't hate a single thing in this world, even George Bush. No, that I am considered 100% Jewish
32 HAWK21M : Operation Middle East Crisis long term...... regds MEL
33 Mrniji : Having observed N112A a little in the forum, I would vouch for him being everything but a racist.. he has proven to be a really nice guy here in teh
34 LY7E7 : Are you suggesting that Islam is the real cause of Pakistan's problems and instability? Do explain how had he managed to call us a terrorist nation.
35 Mrniji : No. While Islam was strong enough to be a driving force for the creation of Pakistan (which was the only state build on religious premises apart from
36 LY744 : Not much help when they have to cross at least two international borders and close to 1000 miles to get to Israel. Also, Iran has about 1600 MBTs (ma
37 NumberTwelve : Israel's attack with a nuclear weapon, Hiroshima bomb and Nagasaki bomb says all: nuclear weapons in hands of criminals - we needn't complain against
38 KLMA330 : Brilliantly put! Basically, let Israel do the dirty work that no one else has the guts to do.. hasn't that always been the case in the region?
39 LY7E7 : Sorry, I've probably been asleep while my country attacked someone with nukes, so a reminder would be nice.
40 LY7E7 : Mrniji, That was an interesting info. thx.
41 RJpieces : United States ring a bell? How's that?
42 ConcordeLoss : RJpieces, Do you ever post in other forums? (Civil av. and such)
43 RJpieces : Why don't you search for my posts and look for yourself.
44 N1120A : Mother Except that it wasn't
45 SFOMEX : I'm not sure, but I bet it'd be a wet dream for you, RJpieces. I fear for the hundreds of Iranians and Israelis who would perish because of an idiotic
46 NumberTwelve : LY, did you read RJpieces reply 3??? Ald LY7E7, are you one of these people who still deny Israel has nukes? Are you one of these guys who call the I
47 PROSA : The American Conservative magazine - granted, not the most impartial authority - ran an article last fall with a nightmarish scenario under which an I
48 QR332 : Don't you think thats just slightly exaggerated?
49 AR1300 : WWIII? Mike
50 LY7E7 : #12, You should really work on English reading comprehension, that might help occasionally. And, yes, Mr. Vanunu broke the law and has been paying for
51 MD11Engineer : I just wonder about the practicality of such an air strike. I don´t know if the Israeli Air Force has tankers, but to reach Iran, the planes would ei
52 RJpieces : QR and I agree.............Wow.
53 PROSA : For sure. As I mentioned, the American Conservative magazine is scarcely an open-minded publication. Just for starters, it's rather implausible that
54 Post contains images Jasepl : Is that a question? Or a hope? Oh please! I'm not American and even I know that!
55 LY744 : Quite frankly, it will be by far the easiest challenge faced by the U.S. military in Iraq in a long time. Meh. Them conservatives been reading too mu
56 RJpieces : Wrong. Israel could strike Pakistan with its rumored nuclear tipped cruise missiles that can be launched from submarines.
57 PROSA : Not to give more credence to these lurid American Conservative scenarios, but if the IAF has the range with its tanker force to bomb Iran's nuclear f
58 Yyz717 : I agree. Mild military dictatorship has been better for Pakistan than corrupt democracy. I also am impressed with Musharaf. He has successfully walke
59 Post contains images LY744 : Well in theory their range is unlimited with A/R. But, when you're targeting Pakistan you're looking at multiple aerial refuelings, performed over mo
60 RJpieces : Shame that the IDF actually has submarines (if you know jack shit about the IDF you'd know where they came from without thinking) capable of performi
61 Monteycarlos : People die, and more bombs get dropped. Sad reality. Relax buddy... the US government, my Government, your government do it on a daily basis. Iraq th
62 LY744 : The IDF Sea Corps currently operates 3 diesel "Dolphin" submarines, built to their specifications in Germany in the past decade. They are looking for
63 QR332 : While PROSA's doomsday scenario is very unlikley, you and I still disagree because I believe a strike on Iran would have very far reaching effects -
64 RJpieces : Seeing that Israel has a naval base off of Eritrea, it wouldn't be that much of a problem. Israeli submarines are rumored to sail with the Indian Nav
65 Post contains images LY744 : Some sources you have... All of the above is unsubstantiated rumours at best and wild fantasies at the worst. I doubt the IDF got the two submarines,
66 Gigneil : I personally think any conversation of Iran or anyone else developing nuclear weapons is ridiculous. Even if they did, they would never, ever use them
67 RJpieces : Makes perfect strategic sense for Israel. Are you familiar with early Chrismas morning in Cherbourg 1969? Not bad. Staying out of the Gulf War did pr
68 Post contains images LY744 : Don't forget new year's day 1969 (as in January 1st) as well. Anyways, the whole affair has nothing to do with what I said, but hey, it's you. Yeah,
69 RJpieces : Uh huh. Keep trying to impress strangers on the internet. You sound real cool with your insistence on blasting out facts but insisting you can't do c
70 LY744 : Impress? That's what you consider cool? Wow. If anything it's pretty sad I'd say. 2 minutes a day? Ha! Although you are right, you're far from being
71 Greyhound : That and $5.00 and I can get a coffee at Starbucks.
72 RJpieces : You're right. It is pretty sad that you spew facts on an internet forum truomg to impress! Well, I'm glad to know you get pleasure from arguing with
73 Post contains images Greyhound : Sorry, but I've got to pick on you for those two
74 Post contains images EDKA : how about we drop the subject - that way there is no argument
75 Allstarflyer : I have to say LY744 put on quite the show there, giving more facts and reason (minus the expletives) of how and why he knows what he does. I'll be the
76 Post contains images Mrniji : Yeah, agreed on Musharraf (or as you call him Musharag ), though I would like to hear some domestic Pakistani opinions here, too (as my opinion comes
77 Raduga53 : Israeli attack on reactor in Iran: one "holy" country makes war against the second "holy" land ! There could be the next "holy" war and our new "holy"
78 JGPH1A : Er, hello. The US was founded by people profoundly OPPOSED to the idea of a state ("established") church. There's a whole Amendment about it, I forge
79 OYRJA : Easy answer to that question. A war will start down there. And they will send nuclear weapons towards eachother.
80 Post contains images LY744 : Hey there Mr. broken record, so we meet again. The little token gestures of stupidity were, at first, cute in a pathetic sort of way, but now are jus
81 Post contains images Tbar220 : Well you see what you need to do is.... awe heck nevermind.
82 RJpieces : Wow, now you're just trying to make an ass out of yourself with this license plate thing. Keep making a fool of yourself. As opposed to some loser Ca
83 Post contains images N1120A : Well, that's good, you call for the blowing up of one country, disassociation from another yet totally support the actions of two that are aggressor
84 QR332 : And you claim that LY is making an ass of himself? RJ, if I were you, I would just stop posting all together...
85 Tbar220 : *hands RJPieces a bigger shovel*
86 Post contains images LY744 : Hehe, sounds like you could be a TA. I may be an asshole and a prick... ...but at least I'm not stupid. LY744.
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